ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Just a quick note from a parent of a trapped player (Q4). She is best technical player on her team (top 100 nationally) and one of the most valuable in terms of wins and losses, but she is small. I want the status quo as the other two options are not as good. She can either A) stay on the current team but now there will be even bigger/older girls by an additional 5 months so she could be playing with girls 14/15 months. older or B) drop down and totally outclass her correct grade. Both options worse in my eyes.

Also, I dont think trapped, for recruiting purposes, is a big deal at all. Your club should be advocating for you, you should be advocating for you, you should be attending ID camps, etc. If you use trapped as a recruiting excuse it means you aren't trying hard enough. Period.


For girls it's off. Unless you have a U17 or U19 kid, you have no idea what you're talking about. As a trap youre recruitment window is not the same as the majority of your team. Your coach knows this and will hopefully push the kids in the recruitment window forward because it's their time in showcases. When it is your time, you are on a team of seniors. The colleges you want won't be attending your showcases as a young trap player (a junior) in U19. These colleges are looking for seniors who aren't committed yet, mostly smaller schools. Most U19 can't cobble a team together too because half of them are already committed in ECNL and seniors are busy with school and less committed to their team. We in this situation now. U17 isn't any better.as a trap player. Sure, you're playing with kids in the recruitment window, but you aren't . You have a wait another year. SY is best if the end run is recruitment. And ECNL is all about college. This change needs to happen in spring for tryouts so trapped kids are in their window for recruitment. It's more complicated for trap players.




Two best friends are both college soccer coaches. One on boys side and one on girls side. I asked them about this whole dynamic. They said they 100% know about trapped players because they are usually some of the top players in the recruiting class by virtue of them being good enough to make a top team even though they are on the younger side. So to say they get lost in recruiting is a bit of a fallacy. They both did say it would be easier for them to recruit when all the kids are same recruiting class so they are advocates for the change. They also said ID camps are more important to them for recruiting purposes than watching games (in person or video) because they can control the situation, set up specific match ups, move kids into different positions, run specific drills to determine skills, etc.


And once again! Problem solved. No need for change, lol. 20% of recruited kids are January and 5% are from December because Dec kids just need to try harder. Your buddy knows about the Dec kid but for some reason he's not recruiting them. I wonder why...hmmmmm.


Because they are not good enough I suppose? So now you are arguing RAE, not trapped player dynamics? News flash, RAE doesnt change with an artificial birth date range. So now it will be 20% September and 5% August in the future? Try to follow along. Trapped player is a different thing than RAE. A good player is a good player regardless of when they were born.


Now your catching up...nice job! Your correct...20% of future recruited kids will absolutely be September. Nobody is arguing about RAE. It exists and we need to decide where to put it. So ask yourself, does SY make sense or does CY make sense? Its not even a hard question. The current setup is a joke. Combined senior years, missing 8th grade time, recruiting challenges, social challenges when your whole team moves to junior high or HS. If you don't have a trapped kid you don't get it, its a debacle. And its a debacle that never had an upside. Is our National Team stronger because we switched?
Clarification, the switch to CY wasn't meant to improve adult national teams, it was meant to improve youth national teams.

For adult national team, they will pull players from the oldest months based on youth age cutoffs no matter what the cutoffs are.

Reducing the relative age effect at the youth level would help the national teams by giving the younger players a better chance to rise up but addressing the relative age effect has been given nothing more than lip service.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.

See "their butt"
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200


Here is just the first thing that popped on google :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/#:~:text=About%2070%20%25%20of%20kids%20drop,Academy%20of%20Pediatrics%20(AAP).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.

See "their butt"


Is that where you bury your head?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200


Yeah like what are you even doing here if you didn’t read all 350 pages.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200


Yeah like what are you even doing here if you didn’t read all 350 pages.




This guy gets me!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200


Here is just the first thing that popped on google :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/#:~:text=About%2070%20%25%20of%20kids%20drop,Academy%20of%20Pediatrics%20(AAP).

This article is about specialization and over use. What does that have to do with SY vs BY and drop out rates?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200


Here is just the first thing that popped on google :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/#:~:text=About%2070%20%25%20of%20kids%20drop,Academy%20of%20Pediatrics%20(AAP).

This article is about specialization and over use. What does that have to do with SY vs BY and drop out rates?


😑 the article references the drop out rate as studied by the AAP…try to connect the dots…it goes from 1 to 2 to 3….but it all starts from the point of context…

This is why SY boosters keep rejecting all arguments for no change and pretending no counterpoint was even made. Y’all dumb
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200


Here is just the first thing that popped on google :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/#:~:text=About%2070%20%25%20of%20kids%20drop,Academy%20of%20Pediatrics%20(AAP).

This article is about specialization and over use. What does that have to do with SY vs BY and drop out rates?
This response/attitude is so nicely myopic not relevant that this thread will hit 500 pages. Onward!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200


Here is just the first thing that popped on google :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/#:~:text=About%2070%20%25%20of%20kids%20drop,Academy%20of%20Pediatrics%20(AAP).

This article is about specialization and over use. What does that have to do with SY vs BY and drop out rates?
This response/attitude is so nicely myopic not relevant that this thread will hit 500 pages. Onward!


I’ve been waiting for this thread to die, you idiots keep it burning strong
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy matrix:

Q1/Q2 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q3/Q4 Top Half of ECNL Team=Doesnt matter
Q1/Q2 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Uh Oh
Q3/Q4 Bottom Half of ECNL Team=Yipee!


This is very accurate with only exception q3/q4 elite of ECNL can also choose to "move down" at times if younger club team makes top tier playoffs, additional showcase opps, etc


This will happen. Because parents like trophies. And clubs can shut up Karen by getting kids an easy trophy. When it does happen, two things will result: other clubs will follow suit, and the Karens on the losing side will b&m for 400 pages about how unfair it is. And then….the system will continue, kids will keep quitting at 13, and people will advocate for change that is very beneficial to their situation 5 years prior but their too ignorant and emotional to realize they’ve already ruined their child’s athletic dreams.


All other sports that have had a SY cutoff in the US continue to have 78% quit rates at 12-13yo. This is really about RAE but wrapped in “participation” and “trapped” kids.


Where are you getting this statistic from?
Link please.


Jesus man, the links to the reports on youth sports were posted multiple times in pages 50-200


Here is just the first thing that popped on google :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/#:~:text=About%2070%20%25%20of%20kids%20drop,Academy%20of%20Pediatrics%20(AAP).

This article is about specialization and over use. What does that have to do with SY vs BY and drop out rates?


😑 the article references the drop out rate as studied by the AAP…try to connect the dots…it goes from 1 to 2 to 3….but it all starts from the point of context…

This is why SY boosters keep rejecting all arguments for no change and pretending no counterpoint was even made. Y’all dumb
SY boosters reject counterpoints because of over use injuries in youth sports or because most kids quit sports young? What are you trying to say?
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