Valor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Objectively, on the girls side Valor is doing a good job in the younger age groups. Both the 14s and the 15s are near the top of the standings for preencl. Moving forward the 14s are going to lose many of their players to national league teams. Imo this shows that those coaches and Valor is doing a good job

I have overall become skeptical of the idea that team success is a big reflection of coaching. Sometimes from the outside you see a team that is doing really well and think they must have a great coach. And then you talk to someone from the inside and they will tell you, the coach actually sucks. It’s just a good group of players. Very few teams fully stay together for more than a year or two. So it’s hard to attribute changes in their record to coaching. Sometimes it’s that that they gained a few good players. Some coaches are better than others at recruiting and building teams.

I think the real test of a good coach is if they can work with the same group of players over a few years and show significant progress in in terms of how well they play together as a team. Or if a significant number of players follow a coach to a different club. Individual development can be affected by so many outside factors with so many kids having trainers around here.

The 14s bled players over the years. Many made union which is well documented as a dumpster fire. The team could have been much stronger if they were able to keep players on the girls side but this is what happens at valor. Kids leave and in most cases they can’t backfill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Objectively, on the girls side Valor is doing a good job in the younger age groups. Both the 14s and the 15s are near the top of the standings for preencl. Moving forward the 14s are going to lose many of their players to national league teams. Imo this shows that those coaches and Valor is doing a good job

I have overall become skeptical of the idea that team success is a big reflection of coaching. Sometimes from the outside you see a team that is doing really well and think they must have a great coach. And then you talk to someone from the inside and they will tell you, the coach actually sucks. It’s just a good group of players. Very few teams fully stay together for more than a year or two. So it’s hard to attribute changes in their record to coaching. Sometimes it’s that that they gained a few good players. Some coaches are better than others at recruiting and building teams.

I think the real test of a good coach is if they can work with the same group of players over a few years and show significant progress in in terms of how well they play together as a team. Or if a significant number of players follow a coach to a different club. Individual development can be affected by so many outside factors with so many kids having trainers around here.

The 14s bled players over the years. Many made union which is well documented as a dumpster fire. The team could have been much stronger if they were able to keep players on the girls side but this is what happens at valor. Kids leave and in most cases they can’t backfill.

But they did backfill and those players did well, the results speak for themselves. Maybe they could have been stronger, but that is speculation at this point.

[Anonymous]

It is really upsetting when success stories go against the narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is really upsetting when success stories go against the narrative.

Nope this is par for the course. Team would be better if good players didn’t leave. Same could be said for 2015s who have three players at syc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Objectively, on the girls side Valor is doing a good job in the younger age groups. Both the 14s and the 15s are near the top of the standings for preencl. Moving forward the 14s are going to lose many of their players to national league teams. Imo this shows that those coaches and Valor is doing a good job

I have overall become skeptical of the idea that team success is a big reflection of coaching. Sometimes from the outside you see a team that is doing really well and think they must have a great coach. And then you talk to someone from the inside and they will tell you, the coach actually sucks. It’s just a good group of players. Very few teams fully stay together for more than a year or two. So it’s hard to attribute changes in their record to coaching. Sometimes it’s that that they gained a few good players. Some coaches are better than others at recruiting and building teams.

I think the real test of a good coach is if they can work with the same group of players over a few years and show significant progress in in terms of how well they play together as a team. Or if a significant number of players follow a coach to a different club. Individual development can be affected by so many outside factors with so many kids having trainers around here.

The 14s bled players over the years. Many made union which is well documented as a dumpster fire. The team could have been much stronger if they were able to keep players on the girls side but this is what happens at valor. Kids leave and in most cases they can’t backfill.

still not a strong set of players. They arent playing the best teams like SYC loudoun and mclean. (Parents are in for a shell shock next season) FVU was a dumpster fire on boys side and now girls side is getting erroded.

[Anonymous]

I love the moving target here. PP states valor is garbage and cannot complete with anyone, evidence is shown that the girls are in fact competing and postive things are said. So now it's well they are not the absolute best team in the area. You guys are a riot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is really upsetting when success stories go against the narrative.

What "narrative"? This forum is for parents as consumers to get information about a very expensive product. Now prospective 2014 top team girls players coming from other clubs (if there are any) know that even though the team won some games this year, the best players are all leaving. They aren't definitely buying a spot on a definite strong team.

With two giant rec leagues feeding into Valor, the odds are that every once in awhile they get a strong crop of athletes in a particular year.

I was surprised at how few Valor teams were accepted into the Jefferson Cup, its not even that prestigious anymore and they still can't get their teams in? (Maybe there were more on the boys side then the girls but only one girls team from u9-u19 was good enough?)

[Anonymous]

The best players are leaving the 2014s because they made national teams. Unless your point is that Valor should be National team leaving ECNL club then it's a poor point to continue to bring up. Valor is RL past u13 and not being able to retain top players means that Valor did a good job which is the point of many of the PPs. Are the 2013 boys a failure because they won a state cup and then went on to NL or MLSN clubs? No person without a bias against the club would make that point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The best players are leaving the 2014s because they made national teams. Unless your point is that Valor should be National team leaving ECNL club then it's a poor point to continue to bring up. Valor is RL past u13 and not being able to retain top players means that Valor did a good job which is the point of many of the PPs. Are the 2013 boys a failure because they won a state cup and then went on to NL or MLSN clubs? No person without a bias against the club would make that point

You are just agreeing with pp. If the best 2014 girls are moving up to ECNL, great. Good for them. No way of knowing if that's due to some amazing Valor coaching that only exists in that particular age group or individual athleticism or private training.

The important information for parents for tryout season is that the 2014 girls team next year will be significantly weaker (and likely their second team will as well, as they pull up girls from the second team to fill open spots on the expanded roster, and pull up third team girls for the second team (and likely dissolve the third team).

[Anonymous]

I mean it’s crazy. These people just cannot stand anyone saying they had a good season and a good coach at Valor.
Since they obviously did not have this at Valor they are completely determined to make sure no one else has any happiness here. Should tell you everything you need to know about these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best players are leaving the 2014s because they made national teams. Unless your point is that Valor should be National team leaving ECNL club then it's a poor point to continue to bring up. Valor is RL past u13 and not being able to retain top players means that Valor did a good job which is the point of many of the PPs. Are the 2013 boys a failure because they won a state cup and then went on to NL or MLSN clubs? No person without a bias against the club would make that point

You are just agreeing with pp. If the best 2014 girls are moving up to ECNL, great. Good for them. No way of knowing if that's due to some amazing Valor coaching that only exists in that particular age group or individual athleticism or private training.

The important information for parents for tryout season is that the 2014 girls team next year will be significantly weaker (and likely their second team will as well, as they pull up girls from the second team to fill open spots on the expanded roster, and pull up third team girls for the second team (and likely dissolve the third team).

Agree this is the most important information for those considering Valor for U13 next year. The Valor 2014 (or U13) team next year at RL will be very different than this year because of the players that left. It's great several players were able to make a national league team, though!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best players are leaving the 2014s because they made national teams. Unless your point is that Valor should be National team leaving ECNL club then it's a poor point to continue to bring up. Valor is RL past u13 and not being able to retain top players means that Valor did a good job which is the point of many of the PPs. Are the 2013 boys a failure because they won a state cup and then went on to NL or MLSN clubs? No person without a bias against the club would make that point

You are just agreeing with pp. If the best 2014 girls are moving up to ECNL, great. Good for them. No way of knowing if that's due to some amazing Valor coaching that only exists in that particular age group or individual athleticism or private training.

The important information for parents for tryout season is that the 2014 girls team next year will be significantly weaker (and likely their second team will as well, as they pull up girls from the second team to fill open spots on the expanded roster, and pull up third team girls for the second team (and likely dissolve the third team).

There is no third team.... that dissolved this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean it’s crazy. These people just cannot stand anyone saying they had a good season and a good coach at Valor.
Since they obviously did not have this at Valor they are completely determined to make sure no one else has any happiness here. Should tell you everything you need to know about these people.

you arent playing the good teams. GA movement removed competition at U12 and lower. FVU is a train wreck and since mclean retained players, the team will get destroyed in ECNL play. Parent are in for a rude awakening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best players are leaving the 2014s because they made national teams. Unless your point is that Valor should be National team leaving ECNL club then it's a poor point to continue to bring up. Valor is RL past u13 and not being able to retain top players means that Valor did a good job which is the point of many of the PPs. Are the 2013 boys a failure because they won a state cup and then went on to NL or MLSN clubs? No person without a bias against the club would make that point

You are just agreeing with pp. If the best 2014 girls are moving up to ECNL, great. Good for them. No way of knowing if that's due to some amazing Valor coaching that only exists in that particular age group or individual athleticism or private training.

The important information for parents for tryout season is that the 2014 girls team next year will be significantly weaker (and likely their second team will as well, as they pull up girls from the second team to fill open spots on the expanded roster, and pull up third team girls for the second team (and likely dissolve the third team).

There is no third team.... that dissolved this year.

Oh OK. Well, they might just end up with the one team then. Doesn't sound like there will be enough girls for two teams.

[Anonymous]

This whole argument is just silly. Every team no matter the club at the ages being discussed cannot be used for the future of the team next year. The age change is going to disrupt everything. Everyone heading into U13 will have played travel for several years and know that they are getting into. If they haven't then Valor might be the best place for them.