Framing Britney Spears

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there's way more going on than her being bipolar.
I think there's a serious intellectual deficiency as well as mental illness.

And no, there is nothing wrong with having a very low IQ. And her family is shady AF. But still, it is highly unusual for a person to be extremely simple and have access to the kind of money we're talking about.

Agree on intellectual deficiency as well and this was evident even pre mental illness. I'm not going to give my anecdotal bonafides from professionals,but I think she was always kind of skating the norm with a low IQ. Add in horrible stage parents and basically no education and that's just rife for exploitation. I do also think that contributes to her being not entirely credible when assessing competency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Britney admitted she needs therapy and meds—celebs, they’re just like us. Somehow she is both incapacitated requiring a conservatorship AND can headline tours and residencies profiting millions. Only one can be true. FreeBritney.

Um,no. Both can be true. She's not performing surgery or teaching rocket science, or even babysitting kids. She jumps up and down on stage lip-synching to her old songs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Britney admitted she needs therapy and meds—celebs, they’re just like us. Somehow she is both incapacitated requiring a conservatorship AND can headline tours and residencies profiting millions. Only one can be true. FreeBritney.

Um,no. Both can be true. She's not performing surgery or teaching rocket science, or even babysitting kids. She jumps up and down on stage lip-synching to her old songs.

I'm not a dancer, but in Britney's defense I hear it's hard work and requires training and self-discipline. In Vegas she had a full schedule of practices and performances, and she was not just haphazardly jumping around the stage. I also imagine you're not performing surgery or teaching rocket science, so judge not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Britney admitted she needs therapy and meds—celebs, they’re just like us. Somehow she is both incapacitated requiring a conservatorship AND can headline tours and residencies profiting millions. Only one can be true. FreeBritney.

She makes millions by being sewn into skimpy costumes and dancing on stage. Her dance moves aren't even that sophisticated, and she's been doing the same ones for decades.
I'm sorry, I like her, but her performing has nothing to do with her capacity. My own dog earns an income.

[Anonymous]

People Magazine had a roundtable of people discussing the hearing and the consensus seems to be that the conservatorship was unusually strict for someone functioning at her level and also someone so young.

https://people.com/music/britney-spears-conservatorship-termination-experts-weigh-in/
How common is court-mandated birth control and psychiatric medication for people under conservatorships?

Harry Nelson: It's fairly unusual. You tend to see it in cases where you're dealing with adults with a significant cognitive deficit or with some kind of severe mental health issue where they are at potential risk of self-harm or harm to others. So it's pretty rare and pretty narrow set of conditions. My view is that it's absolutely shocking that this is still in place for somebody like Britney Spears.

Esquibias: Typically, a conservator doesn't have the right to force psychotropic drugs or secured perimeter facilities - facilities with locked doors where they can't walk in or out. It requires special sign-off from the judge, and is sometimes used for dementia patients or in some cases people with severe mental illness. As invasive as it sounds, a conservatee can be told you have to be on birth control. The idea is to protect the conservatee because the conservatee is unable to care for herself while pregnant or during childbirth.

Britney said multiple times she wants the conservatorship to end without an external evaluation. Can that happen? What next steps can she take and how long would the process take?

Esquibias: A judge is obligated to take in all the evidence, and in a conservatorship setting the evidence typically includes the confidential written report of the probate investigator who is usually a licensed social worker who interviews the conservatee and all family members to the second degree. Based on those interviews, the investigator comes to a conclusion and writes a recommendation to the judge. The judge takes in that piece of evidence and listens to the testimony of the conservator, the conservatee and to any relative to the second degree, and frankly, anyone else the judge wants to listen to. After taking in all the evidence, the judge is equipped to make a decision. That's why it would be very unlikely to render a decision without the opinion of a medical expert.

Nelson: The judge has the discretion to say they want the evaluation. In a normal situation, that would be an appropriate step to take. I just think this case is a black eye on the conservatorship system in California, and the fact that Britney has been subjected to this is scary. You think about somebody that has her fame and power in public, and she's been subjected to this. I think it undermines the credibility of our system. It's almost a monstrous kind of circumstance that this has been allowed to stand.

A judge is going to have to decide whether they're going to want an independent review or evaluation. I would think if she is able to demonstrate - even though it is common to rely on outside sources, judges generally don't like to be in the position of making direct evaluations and are often deferring to outside evaluators - I think there is enough evidence here for a judge to forego that evaluation. The judge may want another evaluation, but I would not be surprised if the judge forego it altogether based on the evidence that she is not somebody that needs to be under these severe controls.

[Anonymous]

If she is poor, none of the conservators,lawyers, family members and other parasites would give an F about her best interest. Conservators should not be paid. Why wouldn't any parents look after their kids for free while holding down a real job?

It is pure greed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If she is poor, none of the conservators,lawyers, family members and other parasites would give an F about her best interest. Conservators should not be paid. Why wouldn't any parents look after their kids for free while holding down a real job?

It is pure greed.

Please take care of a seriously incapacitated adult full-time and then report back to us on how things are going doing that for free.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An IUD put in against your will is trauma.

She didn’t say it was put in against her will. She said she wants it taken out so it is being KEPT in against her will. Both are traumatic but we should be clear in our statements.

Can’t one just pull it out oneself? I’m pretty sure you can. Are people really checking regularly to see if it’s in?

??? You can stick your entire hand in your vagina and perform surgery on yourself?! You could have a Vegas residency with that act!

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's two fingers and a yank on a string. If you can insert an OB tampon you can probably remove your IUD.

Why would you do a procedure on yourself? You could cause damage. A doctor has equipment and can look into your body and remove it safely. Do you do your own fillings, too?

[Anonymous]

I had a conservation with my spouse about this. There are layers to this. When she first had this put in place she was in total meltdown and kept having kids and couldn't take care of them and was being taken advantage of. Kevin Federline has yet to have an actual job and Britney is taking care of all his kids from various relationships pretty much because she houses and feeds everyone. I do not think she has low IQ but clearly she may be bipolar or something. We have zero basis to know of her IQ but the mental part was out there. So her dad coming in actually helped initially and he is strict. He is not allowing her to blow all her money but it has gone too strict. I can see that he wants to make sure no one blows everything but things should have changed a way back. There should be something in place that she can't buy 10 cars in a day or that sort of thing. Getting married--there are people with all sorts of disabilities getting married. She should be able but maybe a very tight pre nup and that happens all the time. Forced birth control like an IUD that should be her choice. I also think it is a wide bar to force meds and therapy. I don't know about that but again she should have more autonomy on her life. I really think this whole thing has highlighted that conservatorships need to have way more oversight. I hope this judge helps her.

[Anonymous]

Should also add that when she said she has all sorts of nurses around her all the time, that is crazy. My parent with dementia has one person until such time that needs 24 hour care with end stage but that is years off. She is healthy and doing shows and should not be living in a hospital at her house. Crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An IUD put in against your will is trauma.

She didn’t say it was put in against her will. She said she wants it taken out so it is being KEPT in against her will. Both are traumatic but we should be clear in our statements.

Can’t one just pull it out oneself? I’m pretty sure you can. Are people really checking regularly to see if it’s in?

??? You can stick your entire hand in your vagina and perform surgery on yourself?! You could have a Vegas residency with that act!

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's two fingers and a yank on a string. If you can insert an OB tampon you can probably remove your IUD.

Why would you do a procedure on yourself? You could cause damage. A doctor has equipment and can look into your body and remove it safely. Do you do your own fillings, too?

I mean, ideally you wouldn't, but if it's there truly against your will you could, with relative ease. It's less like giving yourself a filling and more like trying to remove your own ingrown hair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Britney admitted she needs therapy and meds—celebs, they’re just like us. Somehow she is both incapacitated requiring a conservatorship AND can headline tours and residencies profiting millions. Only one can be true. FreeBritney.

Um,no. Both can be true. She's not performing surgery or teaching rocket science, or even babysitting kids. She jumps up and down on stage lip-synching to her old songs.

I'm not a dancer, but in Britney's defense I hear it's hard work and requires training and self-discipline. In Vegas she had a full schedule of practices and performances, and she was not just haphazardly jumping around the stage. I also imagine you're not performing surgery or teaching rocket science, so judge not.

She was a talented dancer who did complex routines when she was younger. She did not do complex routines during her Vegas residency which ended years ago. Even prior to her residency, her performances as she aged were basic and she regularly messed them up.

She’s not performing like JLo or Pink. Why? Because she’s not well. She has mental health and addiction issues, and she’s medicated.

Everyone needs to stop pretending she’s highly functional. She’s basically a 12 year old in the body of an adult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should also add that when she said she has all sorts of nurses around her all the time, that is crazy. My parent with dementia has one person until such time that needs 24 hour care with end stage but that is years off. She is healthy and doing shows and should not be living in a hospital at her house. Crazy.

She isn’t doing shows.

Just because she says she’s surrounded by nurses doesn’t mean it’s true. Crazy people say crazy things (that’s what we used to say about my sister who died young because we couldn’t keep her in therapy or on meds).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she is poor, none of the conservators,lawyers, family members and other parasites would give an F about her best interest. Conservators should not be paid. Why wouldn't any parents look after their kids for free while holding down a real job?

It is pure greed.

Please take care of a seriously incapacitated adult full-time and then report back to us on how things are going doing that for free.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a conservation with my spouse about this. There are layers to this. When she first had this put in place she was in total meltdown and kept having kids and couldn't take care of them and was being taken advantage of. Kevin Federline has yet to have an actual job and Britney is taking care of all his kids from various relationships pretty much because she houses and feeds everyone. I do not think she has low IQ but clearly she may be bipolar or something. We have zero basis to know of her IQ but the mental part was out there. So her dad coming in actually helped initially and he is strict. He is not allowing her to blow all her money but it has gone too strict. I can see that he wants to make sure no one blows everything but things should have changed a way back. There should be something in place that she can't buy 10 cars in a day or that sort of thing. Getting married--there are people with all sorts of disabilities getting married. She should be able but maybe a very tight pre nup and that happens all the time. Forced birth control like an IUD that should be her choice. I also think it is a wide bar to force meds and therapy. I don't know about that but again she should have more autonomy on her life. I really think this whole thing has highlighted that conservatorships need to have way more oversight. I hope this judge helps her.

So that is not correct that Britney is supporting all of Federline’s kids with other women. Why would you say that? Because US Weekly said it? He has kids with Shar Jackson (who starred in my favorite movie Good Burger) and then with his current wife. He does work in California, I think doing appearances, DJs and other stuff. My best friend from college taught his kids in California and has nothing but very nice things to say about both KFed and Britney. He’s a very hands on and involved dad, came to every event, was the one at the parent/teacher conferences, volunteered, picked them up from school, etc. Britney was living in Vegas so she wasn’t there on a regular basis but was involved. She has taught many kids of celebrities and has had to deal with some very obnoxious parents but neither of them were like this.

The Britney situation is finally showing a huge spotlight on disability rights, disability abuse and reproductive rights. What is happening to her is not uncommon and it is awful. She was deemed unfit and mentally disabled by the court and ruled not capable of being of sound mind to make her own decisions. Let that sink in. Yes, with cameras following her, she shaved her head, attacked a car with an umbrella, etc because no one would leave her alone. But it’s 2021. Disabled people have constitutional rights too. Eugenic points of view that she is “unfit” and she shouldn’t be allowed to determine whether she can reproduce or remove her birth control are appalling. Google Buck v. Bell. Here we are in 2021 and what is happening to Britney essentially is sterilizing her and the same thing.

Think it can’t happen to you?