ASFS/Key Swap Off . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Just end immersion. We have no money and no space. Talk about fiddling while Rome burned...

I wouldn’t end it. One school is enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Just end immersion. We have no money and no space. Talk about fiddling while Rome burned...

I wouldn’t end it. One school is enough.

+1. Lots of demand on one side, not on the other. It takes two to tango.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think the majority of transfers to Key do so to simplify their commute, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re just wrong.

So on one hand we see a strong geographic bias in transfer report, and on the other hand we have ‘you’re just wrong’

I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

So I have hand fed you an excellent refuting argument, you do the work and show the data.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems fairly clear that the county wants to be finished with immersion.

Well it was started during a period of declining enrollment so maybe not a fit for now

Whichever way you want to spin your dislike for immersion, the program is immensely popular in the county. Just because the ill-conceived swap plan isn’t going to fly doesn’t mean APS has all of a sudden rejected this program and is working to phase it out. The immersion program was placed at Key because, historically, north Arlington parents don’t send their kids to diverse schools unless there’s a special program attracting them, and at the time Key would not have been attractive to many families absent some type of educational incentive.It worked. The school became popular. It is a model of success. Dismantling the program would undo one of the only successful efforts of the county at balanced and voluntary socio-economic integration. I assume the county is treading carefully when it comes to dismantling integrated schools in North Arlington given that there are schools with fewer than 1% free and reduced lunch populations in the mix. Cry me a river when it comes to the need for the arlington science focus families to have a bigger building and avoid impacts of boundary changes. The swap was always a bad faith undertaking that certain people believed could be guaranteed by throwing around their money.

Bullocks. The VAST majority of Key attendees are from Long Branch and Taylor (over 80%) — which tells you they likely are attending Key b/c it’s closer and better for their parents commute.

Not immersion. It’s all about location.

Sorry, but I know lots of people at Key who don’t live within the immediate boundary and for every single one of them it complicate the commute and makes it more difficult. To suggest that is the motive behind enrolling at Key is laughable and just entirely out of touch with reality.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Transfer-Report-2017-18.pdf

1) learn how to quote

2) learn how to read a transfer report; that’s great you know 5 people who have a harder commute (not sure why they don’t bus then), but the report show 80% come from LB and Taylor, a strong geographic preference.

NP, but maybe you need to teach me how to read a transfer report as well--- the report you linked states that in SY2017-18, there were 86 transfers from Taylor and 90 from LB, for a total of 176 out of 404 transfers-- that's not even 50%. Even if you add in the Key attendance zone folks (because some of them probably did just go to Key based on location), which is 296, you still only have 472 of the 700 coming from those three attendance areas (Key, LB, Tayor), which is still less than 70%.

Where does this 80% strong geographic statement come from? What am I missing?

Le sigh. yes of course I included the Key attendance zone.

And yes, I didn't actually whip out my calculator, so it's 70% vs 80% but my point still stands. Its patently obvious.

As another poster pointed out, if you're going to be rude and snarky, best to use proper grammar and correctly cite your source. And your point may be correct but it may not be. There will probably be a high percentage of "locals" who move with Immersion. It's not necessarily all about location. And more importantly, we don't know (at this point) whether interest for Immersion may actually increase if it's moved from the Key building.

Also, here is math tip: It's quite easy to figure out percentages without using a calculator, especially when figuring out 80% of a number-- take the number (i.e., 700) and divide by 10. That gives you 10% of the number (i.e., 70). Now take that 10% and times it by 8 (70 x 8), and that will get you to 80% (or 560).

Or, work backwards and double the 10% to get 20% (in this case, 140), and then subtract that number from the first number (700-140) to arrive at 80%, or 560. The only thing patently obvious is that you never waited tables or have ever left a decent tip.

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I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

When my two kids finished at Key, a very large majority continued on to Gunston (I think more than 75%). But that was for the Key classes of 2012 and 2014, so that anecdotal data is a little old at this point. At least some of the kids I knew who didn't go to Gunston made that decision because they lived in far northern Arlington and felt the drive was too far.

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I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

When my two kids finished at Key, a very large majority continued on to Gunston (I think more than 75%). But that was for the Key classes of 2012 and 2014, so that anecdotal data is a little old at this point. At least some of the kids I knew who didn't go to Gunston made that decision because they lived in far northern Arlington and felt the drive was too far.

Do you have a sense of how large the program is at the middle and high school level? I can't find any numbers on it.

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I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

When my two kids finished at Key, a very large majority continued on to Gunston (I think more than 75%). But that was for the Key classes of 2012 and 2014, so that anecdotal data is a little old at this point. At least some of the kids I knew who didn't go to Gunston made that decision because they lived in far northern Arlington and felt the drive was too far.

Do you have a sense of how large the program is at the middle and high school level? I can't find any numbers on it.

When my youngest son "graduated" from Gunston last year, I think there were about 125-150 kids in his grade in the immersion program

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Anonymous wrote:Seems fairly clear that the county wants to be finished with immersion.

Well it was started during a period of declining enrollment so maybe not a fit for now

Whichever way you want to spin your dislike for immersion, the program is immensely popular in the county. Just because the ill-conceived swap plan isn’t going to fly doesn’t mean APS has all of a sudden rejected this program and is working to phase it out. The immersion program was placed at Key because, historically, north Arlington parents don’t send their kids to diverse schools unless there’s a special program attracting them, and at the time Key would not have been attractive to many families absent some type of educational incentive.It worked. The school became popular. It is a model of success. Dismantling the program would undo one of the only successful efforts of the county at balanced and voluntary socio-economic integration. I assume the county is treading carefully when it comes to dismantling integrated schools in North Arlington given that there are schools with fewer than 1% free and reduced lunch populations in the mix. Cry me a river when it comes to the need for the arlington science focus families to have a bigger building and avoid impacts of boundary changes. The swap was always a bad faith undertaking that certain people believed could be guaranteed by throwing around their money.

Bullocks. The VAST majority of Key attendees are from Long Branch and Taylor (over 80%) — which tells you they likely are attending Key b/c it’s closer and better for their parents commute.

Not immersion. It’s all about location.

Sorry, but I know lots of people at Key who don’t live within the immediate boundary and for every single one of them it complicate the commute and makes it more difficult. To suggest that is the motive behind enrolling at Key is laughable and just entirely out of touch with reality.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Transfer-Report-2017-18.pdf

1) learn how to quote

2) learn how to read a transfer report; that’s great you know 5 people who have a harder commute (not sure why they don’t bus then), but the report show 80% come from LB and Taylor, a strong geographic preference.

NP, but maybe you need to teach me how to read a transfer report as well--- the report you linked states that in SY2017-18, there were 86 transfers from Taylor and 90 from LB, for a total of 176 out of 404 transfers-- that's not even 50%. Even if you add in the Key attendance zone folks (because some of them probably did just go to Key based on location), which is 296, you still only have 472 of the 700 coming from those three attendance areas (Key, LB, Tayor), which is still less than 70%.

Where does this 80% strong geographic statement come from? What am I missing?

Le sigh. yes of course I included the Key attendance zone.

And yes, I didn't actually whip out my calculator, so it's 70% vs 80% but my point still stands. Its patently obvious.

As another poster pointed out, if you're going to be rude and snarky, best to use proper grammar and correctly cite your source. And your point may be correct but it may not be. There will probably be a high percentage of "locals" who move with Immersion. It's not necessarily all about location. And more importantly, we don't know (at this point) whether interest for Immersion may actually increase if it's moved from the Key building.

Also, here is math tip: It's quite easy to figure out percentages without using a calculator, especially when figuring out 80% of a number-- take the number (i.e., 700) and divide by 10. That gives you 10% of the number (i.e., 70). Now take that 10% and times it by 8 (70 x 8), and that will get you to 80% (or 560).

Or, work backwards and double the 10% to get 20% (in this case, 140), and then subtract that number from the first number (700-140) to arrive at 80%, or 560. The only thing patently obvious is that you never waited tables or have ever left a decent tip.

I’ll speak to my editor about the grammar, and yeah I just round up for tips (that waitress scene in reservoir dogs spoke to me early)

[Anonymous]

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I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

When my two kids finished at Key, a very large majority continued on to Gunston (I think more than 75%). But that was for the Key classes of 2012 and 2014, so that anecdotal data is a little old at this point. At least some of the kids I knew who didn't go to Gunston made that decision because they lived in far northern Arlington and felt the drive was too far.

Shocked they would choose commute over Immersion

[Anonymous]

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I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

When my two kids finished at Key, a very large majority continued on to Gunston (I think more than 75%). But that was for the Key classes of 2012 and 2014, so that anecdotal data is a little old at this point. At least some of the kids I knew who didn't go to Gunston made that decision because they lived in far northern Arlington and felt the drive was too far.

I’m sure that was the only reason.

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I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

When my two kids finished at Key, a very large majority continued on to Gunston (I think more than 75%). But that was for the Key classes of 2012 and 2014, so that anecdotal data is a little old at this point. At least some of the kids I knew who didn't go to Gunston made that decision because they lived in far northern Arlington and felt the drive was too far.

I’m sure that was the only reason.

PP here. Others didn't go to Gunston because their parents didn't think immersion going forward was the best fit for their kid (Social Studies, Spanish, and Science and the Spanish language classes in MS Immersion). But the majority of kids from Key continued on from Gunston, and very few of them live anywhere close to there.

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I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

When my two kids finished at Key, a very large majority continued on to Gunston (I think more than 75%). But that was for the Key classes of 2012 and 2014, so that anecdotal data is a little old at this point. At least some of the kids I knew who didn't go to Gunston made that decision because they lived in far northern Arlington and felt the drive was too far.

I’m sure that was the only reason.

PP here. Others didn't go to Gunston because their parents didn't think immersion going forward was the best fit for their kid (Social Studies, Spanish, and Science and the Spanish language classes in MS Immersion). But the majority of kids from Key continued on from Gunston, and very few of them live anywhere close to there.

You could probably look at that as a pure choice for immersion for most kids who live near Key. The zoned middle schools for that area up until Hamm opening have been Swanson and Williamsburg, which are pretty much the same distance as Gunston.

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I mean you could start by showing how many Key students continue on to Gunston, that’s a good proxy for immersion dedication. Show me that data, that the vast majority of the LB/Taylor/Key go to Gunston, and I will concede it is not simply geography. We still need a neighborhood school, but Immersion might be worth keeping at two locations.

When my two kids finished at Key, a very large majority continued on to Gunston (I think more than 75%). But that was for the Key classes of 2012 and 2014, so that anecdotal data is a little old at this point. At least some of the kids I knew who didn't go to Gunston made that decision because they lived in far northern Arlington and felt the drive was too far.

I’m sure that was the only reason.

PP here. Others didn't go to Gunston because their parents didn't think immersion going forward was the best fit for their kid (Social Studies, Spanish, and Science and the Spanish language classes in MS Immersion). But the majority of kids from Key continued on from Gunston, and very few of them live anywhere close to there.

So consensus is that immersion parents don’t have geographic preference, so moving Immersion from Key should be NBD.

[Anonymous]

I love being schooled by a parent without kids at the school about the reason people attend the school. You can play your math game all you want, but maybe try interacting with the human beings who are making the choices at issue before claiming you’ve figured it all out from a transfer report.

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Anonymous wrote:I love being schooled by a parent without kids at the school about the reason people attend the school. You can play your math game all you want, but maybe try interacting with the human beings who are making the choices at issue before claiming you’ve figured it all out from a transfer report.

You’ve convinced me. Location doesn’t matter. So immersion can move to Nottingham and still thrive (that’s closer than Gunston to most of Arl)