ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To provide a better product for college coaches, it makes sense for ECNL to allow late birthday players an option to play down. This is a win-win for both college coaches and trapped players. It also gives ECNL an edge if GA does not follow through.

November 2008 kid playing 2009's

November 2008 kid playing 2008s or 2007's

Who are the college coaches looking at to recruit?

[Anonymous]

Depends on the level of play. I’m sure it’s where they are looking the most productive as a player. Which 9/10 times would be with the 09s. U17s is highly recruited compared to U19.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will allow bio-banding to copy the MLS playbook so trapped players can choose to play down with their same-grade peers. This will help provide a level field for trapped players during recruiting.

Not all trapped players are late maturity developers

There just saying that ECNL will create some kind of loophole, like MLS has for biobanding, so clubs can let a few players play down a year to balance teams.

Biobanding isn't a loophole
It's a legitimate process for late maturing kids to not get left out of the sport.

Individual clubs abusing it for selfish reasons is a different story

The podcast brought on a doctor to point out that physical maturation isn't very measurable as metrics were often wrong, very wrong. With biobanding not defined on height, it isn't a rule to help shorter kids. So in implementation, without true measurements, biobanding selection is just guess work and as has been mentioned, what seems as cheating the system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will allow bio-banding to copy the MLS playbook so trapped players can choose to play down with their same-grade peers. This will help provide a level field for trapped players during recruiting.

Not all trapped players are late maturity developers

There just saying that ECNL will create some kind of loophole, like MLS has for biobanding, so clubs can let a few players play down a year to balance teams.

Biobanding isn't a loophole
It's a legitimate process for late maturing kids to not get left out of the sport.

Individual clubs abusing it for selfish reasons is a different story

The podcast brought on a doctor to point out that physical maturation isn't very measurable as metrics were often wrong, very wrong. With biobanding not defined on height, it isn't a rule to help shorter kids. So in implementation, without true measurements, biobanding selection is just guess work and as has been mentioned, what seems as cheating the system.

I don't think it's guess work when a 2011 November kid is shorter, lighter, smaller than all his 2011 teammates and opponents and gets easily bodied off the ball

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depends on the level of play. I’m sure it’s where they are looking the most productive as a player. Which 9/10 times would be with the 09s. U17s is highly recruited compared to U19.

Isn't it all about high level of play if the discussion is college recruiting?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:October 1st! It’s going down.

They will not even had time to evaluate the responses from the clubs. I agree we are not past the time for 25/26 now. But they will not have a decision this year. It will be spring. Too late for 25/26. In any event -- still 50/50 which way this will go.

Why would they evaluate the responses from the clubs. They just need to make it look like they took feedback.

Because getting the feedback was not a formailty. No one has made any decision. They may just leave it as is. Saying it another way, they care about the feedback.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will allow bio-banding to copy the MLS playbook so trapped players can choose to play down with their same-grade peers. This will help provide a level field for trapped players during recruiting.

Not all trapped players are late maturity developers

There just saying that ECNL will create some kind of loophole, like MLS has for biobanding, so clubs can let a few players play down a year to balance teams.

Biobanding isn't a loophole
It's a legitimate process for late maturing kids to not get left out of the sport.

Individual clubs abusing it for selfish reasons is a different story

The podcast brought on a doctor to point out that physical maturation isn't very measurable as metrics were often wrong, very wrong. With biobanding not defined on height, it isn't a rule to help shorter kids. So in implementation, without true measurements, biobanding selection is just guess work and as has been mentioned, what seems as cheating the system.

Please stop advertising your podcast.

The medical community and scientists in Europe have been measuring maturation for years.
RAE and Bio-banding isn't new or unknown there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To provide a better product for college coaches, it makes sense for ECNL to allow late birthday players an option to play down. This is a win-win for both college coaches and trapped players. It also gives ECNL an edge if GA does not follow through.

November 2008 kid playing 2009's

November 2008 kid playing 2008s or 2007's

Who are the college coaches looking at to recruit?

Without giving the option for late birthday players to play down with her same-grade team, she will not be eligible for recruiting when the college coaches watch her team in the showcase during recruiting. When she is junior and ready to recruit, her teammates are seniors and already done with recruiting. College coaches will spend valuable time watching the younger team during the showcase. The current birth year without an option for late birthday players to play down gives 25% of players a much more difficult time than the other 75% during the recruiting process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To provide a better product for college coaches, it makes sense for ECNL to allow late birthday players an option to play down. This is a win-win for both college coaches and trapped players. It also gives ECNL an edge if GA does not follow through.

November 2008 kid playing 2009's

November 2008 kid playing 2008s or 2007's

Who are the college coaches looking at to recruit?

Without giving the option for late birthday players to play down with her same-grade team, she will not be eligible for recruiting when the college coaches watch her team in the showcase during recruiting. When she is junior and ready to recruit, her teammates are seniors and already done with recruiting. College coaches will spend valuable time watching the younger team during the showcase. The current birth year without an option for late birthday players to play down gives 25% of players a much more difficult time than the other 75% during the recruiting process.

Complete and utter nonsense

How can a player/parents not be in communication with college prospect coaches to know their graduation year?

I've never heard of a college recruiter not knowing the graduating year of a player they are interested in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will allow bio-banding to copy the MLS playbook so trapped players can choose to play down with their same-grade peers. This will help provide a level field for trapped players during recruiting.

Not all trapped players are late maturity developers

There just saying that ECNL will create some kind of loophole, like MLS has for biobanding, so clubs can let a few players play down a year to balance teams.

Biobanding isn't a loophole
It's a legitimate process for late maturing kids to not get left out of the sport.

Individual clubs abusing it for selfish reasons is a different story

The podcast brought on a doctor to point out that physical maturation isn't very measurable as metrics were often wrong, very wrong. With biobanding not defined on height, it isn't a rule to help shorter kids. So in implementation, without true measurements, biobanding selection is just guess work and as has been mentioned, what seems as cheating the system.

I don't think it's guess work when a 2011 November kid is shorter, lighter, smaller than all his 2011 teammates and opponents and gets easily bodied off the ball

That is the issue, it is not a loophole meant to help smaller kids, it is a loophole to help those with delayed physical growth. So the difference between the child's size and the parent's size would mean more than the child's size, and growth rates would also matter (again not size levels). But again according to the podcast, the doc said the science couldn't find reliable metrics. (For example, Freddy Adu wasn't a late developer, he was just smaller at all stages of youth, while of course having a phenomenal youth career.)

Using your Nov. example, November kids could go down year if school dates are used.

Youth football tends to have weight maximums to protect the smaller players.

Anyways, seems the bigger issue is the smaller 2014-5 player getting knocked off the ball from behind and larger players taking running paths through the smaller players when not having position and the referees refusing to call fouls. My 2012 December kid with great technical skills was getting tossed around until about 2 years ago, when the referees stopped treating the game like a pickup game at recess. While it seems like he got much better, he didn't, the game is finally soccer after it was more like playing rugby the previous years.

If the referees at the younger ages actual called smaller kids getting illegally bodied off the ball, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will allow bio-banding to copy the MLS playbook so trapped players can choose to play down with their same-grade peers. This will help provide a level field for trapped players during recruiting.

Not all trapped players are late maturity developers

There just saying that ECNL will create some kind of loophole, like MLS has for biobanding, so clubs can let a few players play down a year to balance teams.

Biobanding isn't a loophole
It's a legitimate process for late maturing kids to not get left out of the sport.

Individual clubs abusing it for selfish reasons is a different story

The podcast brought on a doctor to point out that physical maturation isn't very measurable as metrics were often wrong, very wrong. With biobanding not defined on height, it isn't a rule to help shorter kids. So in implementation, without true measurements, biobanding selection is just guess work and as has been mentioned, what seems as cheating the system.

I don't think it's guess work when a 2011 November kid is shorter, lighter, smaller than all his 2011 teammates and opponents and gets easily bodied off the ball

That is the issue, it is not a loophole meant to help smaller kids, it is a loophole to help those with delayed physical growth. So the difference between the child's size and the parent's size would mean more than the child's size, and growth rates would also matter (again not size levels). But again according to the podcast, the doc said the science couldn't find reliable metrics. (For example, Freddy Adu wasn't a late developer, he was just smaller at all stages of youth, while of course having a phenomenal youth career.)

Using your Nov. example, November kids could go down year if school dates are used.

Youth football tends to have weight maximums to protect the smaller players.

Anyways, seems the bigger issue is the smaller 2014-5 player getting knocked off the ball from behind and larger players taking running paths through the smaller players when not having position and the referees refusing to call fouls. My 2012 December kid with great technical skills was getting tossed around until about 2 years ago, when the referees stopped treating the game like a pickup game at recess. While it seems like he got much better, he didn't, the game is finally soccer after it was more like playing rugby the previous years.

If the referees at the younger ages actual called smaller kids getting illegally bodied off the ball, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You sure use a lot of words to mask the fact you don't actually know what you're talking about.
Other than your single thread mind tunnel to promote the podcast that's saying RAE and determination of late bloomer maturation being used successfully in Europe doesn't exist.

Yes, a 50/50 legal shoulder that sends a 20lbs lighter kid who's 10 months younger flying is the referees fault 🙄

[Anonymous]

It is ECNL responsibility to place same grade players together, so all of them can have an equal opportunity in their sophomore year for college recruiting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will allow bio-banding to copy the MLS playbook so trapped players can choose to play down with their same-grade peers. This will help provide a level field for trapped players during recruiting.

Not all trapped players are late maturity developers

There just saying that ECNL will create some kind of loophole, like MLS has for biobanding, so clubs can let a few players play down a year to balance teams.

Biobanding isn't a loophole
It's a legitimate process for late maturing kids to not get left out of the sport.

Individual clubs abusing it for selfish reasons is a different story

The podcast brought on a doctor to point out that physical maturation isn't very measurable as metrics were often wrong, very wrong. With biobanding not defined on height, it isn't a rule to help shorter kids. So in implementation, without true measurements, biobanding selection is just guess work and as has been mentioned, what seems as cheating the system.

I don't think it's guess work when a 2011 November kid is shorter, lighter, smaller than all his 2011 teammates and opponents and gets easily bodied off the ball

That is the issue, it is not a loophole meant to help smaller kids, it is a loophole to help those with delayed physical growth. So the difference between the child's size and the parent's size would mean more than the child's size, and growth rates would also matter (again not size levels). But again according to the podcast, the doc said the science couldn't find reliable metrics. (For example, Freddy Adu wasn't a late developer, he was just smaller at all stages of youth, while of course having a phenomenal youth career.)

Using your Nov. example, November kids could go down year if school dates are used.

Youth football tends to have weight maximums to protect the smaller players.

Anyways, seems the bigger issue is the smaller 2014-5 player getting knocked off the ball from behind and larger players taking running paths through the smaller players when not having position and the referees refusing to call fouls. My 2012 December kid with great technical skills was getting tossed around until about 2 years ago, when the referees stopped treating the game like a pickup game at recess. While it seems like he got much better, he didn't, the game is finally soccer after it was more like playing rugby the previous years.

If the referees at the younger ages actual called smaller kids getting illegally bodied off the ball, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

So how long should school dates be used so that kids born September to December are playing down in age regardless of their maturation puberty?

Juniors in HS born in October are playing down a year while Juniors playing club are playing on age or playing up?

Which group is getting recruited by colleges?

[Anonymous]

So this is happening? Great options from everyone. I like ECNL adding biobanding as an option.

Just curious if ECNL has mentioned anything to other ECNL directors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To provide a better product for college coaches, it makes sense for ECNL to allow late birthday players an option to play down. This is a win-win for both college coaches and trapped players. It also gives ECNL an edge if GA does not follow through.

November 2008 kid playing 2009's

November 2008 kid playing 2008s or 2007's

Who are the college coaches looking at to recruit?

Without giving the option for late birthday players to play down with her same-grade team, she will not be eligible for recruiting when the college coaches watch her team in the showcase during recruiting. When she is junior and ready to recruit, her teammates are seniors and already done with recruiting. College coaches will spend valuable time watching the younger team during the showcase. The current birth year without an option for late birthday players to play down gives 25% of players a much more difficult time than the other 75% during the recruiting process.

This is 100% true. Anybody saying otherwise is clueless.