Disappointed by TJ decision?

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

I'm actually not making any sort of claim as to knowing who the best kids are. All I'm doing is telling you that YOU don't know who they are.

There is literally no incentive whatsoever for the folks working in TJ admissions to bring in kids who are going to come in and fail and return to their base schools. That's why the numbers of kids leaving really hasn't changed that much - once you account for Covid - from where they were 5, 10, 15 years ago.

When faced with the choice between who to trust on who's getting in to TJ, I'm probably going to trust the folks who have been doing this for years - there hasn't been any turnover in that office for a long time - over some rando with an agenda who comes on to an anonymous website spewing hateful garbage.

Freshmen applications are not reviewed by TJ staff. They are all from the Gatehouse Admin side from what I have heard.

Only sophomore applications are reviewed by actual TJ teachers.

If a student wrote an essay about their passion for some esoteric field like genetic engineering or machine learning, would the people reading it have any clue what they're talking about and be able to assess it, or would it be complete gibberish to them?

If it doesn't answer the question, then it doesn't answer the question. No matter how esoteric it is.

Your answer is kind of ironic.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

You're right. They have no way to know. It's speculation that helps them cope mainly.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Again with the folks claiming that they know who the "top students" are. These are the same parents who will walk around bewildered when their kid has to accept an offer from Virginia Tech while the "mediocre students" are getting into Duke and Stanford.

Maybe your priorities aren't shared by people who know what's best for their university or school system.

100% - I do hope some of these parents inwardly reflect one day instead of blaming the “non-top” kids who got into [insert top college here] while their “prodigy” was rejected. Given the idiocy being spewed, though, seems unlikely.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Again with the folks claiming that they know who the "top students" are. These are the same parents who will walk around bewildered when their kid has to accept an offer from Virginia Tech while the "mediocre students" are getting into Duke and Stanford.

Maybe your priorities aren't shared by people who know what's best for their university or school system.

100% - I do hope some of these parents inwardly reflect one day instead of blaming the “non-top” kids who got into [insert top college here] while their “prodigy” was rejected. Given the idiocy being spewed, though, seems unlikely.

At some point they’ll figure out the top schools, like TJ, are coasting on their reputations and correctly make peace with the reality that Virginia Tech can offer just as good an education as Yale.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

There are many top students. At one particular school, I know of one top student who was accepted and turned it down, but other top students at that school were not accepted. The one who was accepted I would put in the superstar category. Meanwhile at my kids school the superstar was rejected, several a tier below were waitlisted. Other top students were waitlisted in favor of lower caliber students, but I don't consider these a big deal as they were more borderline candidates to begin with.
I have no candidates on the waitlist, and really it's not per school acceptance, so even getting the weak candidates to turn it down wouldn't benefit the ones who got rejected(and the superstar isn't even on the waitlist).
I have knowledge of the kids from my school who were accepted, and sure I don't know the full profile, but enough to know that A,B,C being accepted while D,E,F,G rejected is a joke.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

I won't go into specifics, but it is the equivalent that the kids DID participate in my child's robotics competition, and it is clear these kids are not that good.
Obviously they put something in their essay to stand out, but they are clearly lower caliber.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

There are many top students. At one particular school, I know of one top student who was accepted and turned it down, but other top students at that school were not accepted. The one who was accepted I would put in the superstar category. Meanwhile at my kids school the superstar was rejected, several a tier below were waitlisted. Other top students were waitlisted in favor of lower caliber students, but I don't consider these a big deal as they were more borderline candidates to begin with.
I have no candidates on the waitlist, and really it's not per school acceptance, so even getting the weak candidates to turn it down wouldn't benefit the ones who got rejected(and the superstar isn't even on the waitlist).
I have knowledge of the kids from my school who were accepted, and sure I don't know the full profile, but enough to know that A,B,C being accepted while D,E,F,G rejected is a joke.

Unless you are a teacher or a counselor or extremely creepy to the point of legal consequences, I'm sorry, but no you don't. You just don't.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

I won't go into specifics, but it is the equivalent that the kids DID participate in my child's robotics competition, and it is clear these kids are not that good.
Obviously they put something in their essay to stand out, but they are clearly lower caliber.

Because they were somewhat less good at robotics? Seriously. Get a grip. Your kid might have put something in their essay that made it clear that they either didn't want to go to TJ or don't belong at TJ. Happens all the time and is a great way for kids to subvert their parents' wishes. And you will never know that they did it unless they tell you.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

There are many top students. At one particular school, I know of one top student who was accepted and turned it down, but other top students at that school were not accepted. The one who was accepted I would put in the superstar category. Meanwhile at my kids school the superstar was rejected, several a tier below were waitlisted. Other top students were waitlisted in favor of lower caliber students, but I don't consider these a big deal as they were more borderline candidates to begin with.
I have no candidates on the waitlist, and really it's not per school acceptance, so even getting the weak candidates to turn it down wouldn't benefit the ones who got rejected(and the superstar isn't even on the waitlist).
I have knowledge of the kids from my school who were accepted, and sure I don't know the full profile, but enough to know that A,B,C being accepted while D,E,F,G rejected is a joke.

I also know D, E, F and G personally and can unequivocally state they were far more qualified than A, B or C.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

I won't go into specifics, but it is the equivalent that the kids DID participate in my child's robotics competition, and it is clear these kids are not that good.
Obviously they put something in their essay to stand out, but they are clearly lower caliber.

Because they were somewhat less good at robotics? Seriously. Get a grip. Your kid might have put something in their essay that made it clear that they either didn't want to go to TJ or don't belong at TJ. Happens all the time and is a great way for kids to subvert their parents' wishes. And you will never know that they did it unless they tell you.

Parents .. let you kids enjoy high school please. Stop with this unhealthy obsession over getting/not into TJ.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

There are many top students. At one particular school, I know of one top student who was accepted and turned it down, but other top students at that school were not accepted. The one who was accepted I would put in the superstar category. Meanwhile at my kids school the superstar was rejected, several a tier below were waitlisted. Other top students were waitlisted in favor of lower caliber students, but I don't consider these a big deal as they were more borderline candidates to begin with.
I have no candidates on the waitlist, and really it's not per school acceptance, so even getting the weak candidates to turn it down wouldn't benefit the ones who got rejected(and the superstar isn't even on the waitlist).
I have knowledge of the kids from my school who were accepted, and sure I don't know the full profile, but enough to know that A,B,C being accepted while D,E,F,G rejected is a joke.

I also know D, E, F and G personally and can unequivocally state they were far more qualified than A, B or C.

But you don’t know A, B or C at all!!

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

I won't go into specifics, but it is the equivalent that the kids DID participate in my child's robotics competition, and it is clear these kids are not that good.
Obviously they put something in their essay to stand out, but they are clearly lower caliber.

Because they were somewhat less good at robotics? Seriously. Get a grip. Your kid might have put something in their essay that made it clear that they either didn't want to go to TJ or don't belong at TJ. Happens all the time and is a great way for kids to subvert their parents' wishes. And you will never know that they did it unless they tell you.

That is a possibility which I find highly unlikely, but of course can't exclude. It would explain a rejection instead of waitlist. My kids are not involved in any of this. Robotics was an analogy, but yes, not just 'somewhat less good' but one of the weakest on the team.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

There are many top students. At one particular school, I know of one top student who was accepted and turned it down, but other top students at that school were not accepted. The one who was accepted I would put in the superstar category. Meanwhile at my kids school the superstar was rejected, several a tier below were waitlisted. Other top students were waitlisted in favor of lower caliber students, but I don't consider these a big deal as they were more borderline candidates to begin with.
I have no candidates on the waitlist, and really it's not per school acceptance, so even getting the weak candidates to turn it down wouldn't benefit the ones who got rejected(and the superstar isn't even on the waitlist).
I have knowledge of the kids from my school who were accepted, and sure I don't know the full profile, but enough to know that A,B,C being accepted while D,E,F,G rejected is a joke.

I also know D, E, F and G personally and can unequivocally state they were far more qualified than A, B or C.

But you don’t know A, B or C at all!!

Ah, but I do.

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The capacity has increased too, which in a way ensures that there is room for error, while top kids would still get in.

If the top kids were getting in while a few weaker ones got thru over some better candidates, it would not be a big deal.
Instead the top kids are mostly not getting in. Not sure how it is at the top feeder schools, but the schools I've seen in Loudoun, Academies of Loudoun is mostly taking the top kids, while TJ is putting them on waitlist or rejecting them.

On the other hand, the top students are mostly getting opportunities for Academies of Loudoun, while the ones accepted to TJ under the current process would have had neither possibility under the old process.

TJ serves mainly fx county.

You keep saying the top kids are going elsewhere, but how can you determine who’s better than the other?

DP. They can't, plain and simple. They know what their kids grades are, and what their kids do with their time, and they assume that the other kids who do the same things (STEM competitions, events, etc) are the "top" kids. But unless they're exceedingly creepy, they have no idea what the other kids do with their time, or what their grades are, and so forth.

It's a bit of circular logic. I make my kid do these activities because they are the activities that TJ admissions should want - therefore my kids and the kids who also do those activities are the top kids, and if TJ admissions is not selecting those kids, then they're not selecting the "top" kids.

Makes you wonder how they expected their kids to get into a place like TJ when that's the level of intellect that the parents are working with.

You are doing the same circular logic- TJ has accepted them, therefore they are the top kids.
I can also use the same argument that these are top kids because they were accepted by Academies of Loudoun, while the kids accepted to TJ were not accepted.
Perhaps you are at a school that sends lots of students, but there are not that many people going to TJ from our school, and kids know who are the top students and if certain students are not good students. They are all good students, but it is relative.
I am hearing the same thing from other schools nearby. And then there is the matter of some superstars who were rejected, not even waitlisted, including some from Fairfax.

That's not true the committee that has access to the actual student data selected them. They are able to make an informed determination, unlike some randoparent who just guesses about others and likely doesn't even understand the criteria.

Propose to change the "Science and Technology" in the name to "Storytelling and Theatre", more aligned to the goal.

DP. The Storytelling and Theater that I'm seeing are the poster/posters who are confident that they know who the "top students" are and that only "less-than-top students" were admitted from multiple schools and multiple school districts.

I mean, really?

This is clearly true, given that students selected to TJ were not selected to Academies of Loudoun and vice versa. So by one measure almost all of these students are less than top. At least with TJ, we can say there weren't as many spots available. However, the students selected as the top in their school by TJ, say top 6, were not considered in the top 12 by Loudoun.
From what I've seen, Loudoun did a better job, with a top student outright rejected by TJ, while accepting students who were either waitlist or rejected by Academies of Loudoun, both AOS and AET.

It appears to be happening at multiple schools. I have heard this from parents elsewhere, with some students I know are top students not getting in, while the parents tell me some of the ones who got in were mediocre. This isn't a matter of jealousy, I have heard this from parents whose kids got in. At one school, the parent saying the kid they most would have expected didn't get in. In other cases it is students I am familiar with who have some substantial accomplishments.
A student posted early in this thread his or her experience with being accepted. It appears to be a student in Fairfax, but initially I thought it was someone from our school who I've met, it was very similar situation being described.

Top students rejected, mediocre students admitted, sounds like LoCo is going to stop aiming for TJ.

Good.

I know one top student admitted by both, who opted for Loudoun. Several more who are turning it down who are weaker candidates and probably TJ would be too hard for them. Too bad they can't do a swap system between the admissions.

So which is it? Top students are being rejected in favor of mediocre students or top students are getting in but choosing something else? I’m sensing you TJ reject parents are having trouble keeping your theories straight. For the record, you’d have no way of knowing that my child, who was accepted, is a straight A student with historically great test scores - who doesn’t participate in your child’s robotics competition. Your very small world doesn’t actually mean you have knowledge of “top students.” This is really pathetic. You won’t get off the waitlist by gaslighting other parents.

I won't go into specifics, but it is the equivalent that the kids DID participate in my child's robotics competition, and it is clear these kids are not that good.
Obviously they put something in their essay to stand out, but they are clearly lower caliber.

Because they were somewhat less good at robotics? Seriously. Get a grip. Your kid might have put something in their essay that made it clear that they either didn't want to go to TJ or don't belong at TJ. Happens all the time and is a great way for kids to subvert their parents' wishes. And you will never know that they did it unless they tell you.

Parents .. let you kids enjoy high school please. Stop with this unhealthy obsession over getting/not into TJ.

It's not about getting in. The point is that TJ is not taking in top students form a school, while Academies of Loudoun is doing a better job of it.
Maybe this isn't an issue in Fairfax where 40 kids can get in from a school, though I heard they are still passing on kids who made USAJMO, about ten in the country who do this each year.

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Do they give a breakdown of how many girls are admitted each year?

If the essay matters more, then I would expect more girls to be getting in the past few years.