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[Anonymous]

Not the PP you’re responding to but jumping on to suggest that you find a different passive aggressive hobby. Your posts are mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not the PP you’re responding to but jumping on to suggest that you find a different passive aggressive hobby. Your posts are mean.

The PP to whom I responded conflated an insidious and odious part of our history (Brown v BoE and Hobson) with people advocating for honors classes at SH. With all due respect, I was nicer than s/he deserved. It's WAAAAYYYYY off base to equate the two.

P.S. Nothing passive about my reply. It was quite direct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the PP you’re responding to but jumping on to suggest that you find a different passive aggressive hobby. Your posts are mean.

The PP to whom I responded conflated an insidious and odious part of our history (Brown v BoE and Hobson) with people advocating for honors classes at SH. With all due respect, I was nicer than s/he deserved. It's WAAAAYYYYY off base to equate the two.

P.S. Nothing passive about my reply. It was quite direct.

yup. nothing nice about false accusations of racism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

It makes me crazy that people like you are so quick to dismiss any advanced tracking or academics as "hurting black people". It's like you have never set foot inside a EOTP MS or HS and/or haven't see the demographic data. Advanced tracking classes will benefit a LOT of high performing black and poor kids. But you'd rather virtue signal and keep everyone not WOTP down in the name of "equity".

OMG, people, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say that tracking would be “hurting black people.” What I said is that it’s ironic for people to be calling for more tracking at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson. Because it is.

And for the record, my child currently attends our in-bound EOTP DCPS middle school (7th grade). I am fully confident that my child will do extremely well in life, despite not being surrounded by kids who got 5s on the PARCC in middle school. Perhaps if more “UMC” parents on Capitol Hill had the same confidence in their own kids, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Do you want the schools to be filled with more kids like your own? Simple solution: join up with your brilliant “UMC” neighbors and send your kids to the schools. To the extent there is currently a problem, it is largely one that is self-made by the very people complaining about it.

And, yes, I know: blah, blah, blah Eastern. Blah, blah, blah test-in honors. I’ve heard it all before, and none of it undermines what I just said.

My concern with middle school is not 'how my kid will do in life.' Childhood is part of life. Being in a school where you're bored and learning that you're smarter than everyone else and where you only learn what you do because your parents supplement is not great, even if it doesn't affect your eventual income or educational attainment. Also, not generally a great experience socially.

As for organizing with other parents, do you want to be the subject of a new York times podcast where they name you and call you racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

It makes me crazy that people like you are so quick to dismiss any advanced tracking or academics as "hurting black people". It's like you have never set foot inside a EOTP MS or HS and/or haven't see the demographic data. Advanced tracking classes will benefit a LOT of high performing black and poor kids. But you'd rather virtue signal and keep everyone not WOTP down in the name of "equity".

OMG, people, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say that tracking would be “hurting black people.” What I said is that it’s ironic for people to be calling for more tracking at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson. Because it is.

And for the record, my child currently attends our in-bound EOTP DCPS middle school (7th grade). I am fully confident that my child will do extremely well in life, despite not being surrounded by kids who got 5s on the PARCC in middle school. Perhaps if more “UMC” parents on Capitol Hill had the same confidence in their own kids, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Do you want the schools to be filled with more kids like your own? Simple solution: join up with your brilliant “UMC” neighbors and send your kids to the schools. To the extent there is currently a problem, it is largely one that is self-made by the very people complaining about it.

And, yes, I know: blah, blah, blah Eastern. Blah, blah, blah test-in honors. I’ve heard it all before, and none of it undermines what I just said.

I told you in my initial reply that you clearly hadn't read or understood Hobson if you thought it was at all related to the tracking/honors discussion. Now, in addition to knowing you didn't understand the case, I'm thinking you don't know what the word "irony" means. Hobson facts showed that DC was engaging in de facto segregation once Brown was decided (outlawing separate but equal). If you don't think that honors/tracking is the same as what was done in Hobson then there's no irony. Which one is it? Do you (1) not understand Hobson or (2) not understand irony?

I'm not talking about the lawsuit. I'm talking about Mr. Hobson.

"I am against the track system and the whole concept of testing." - Julius Hobson, 1965 (before the lawsuit)

So I fully stand by my statement that it's ironic that some people are calling for more tracking at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson.

[Anonymous]

OK, that's clever, but what's the point? The academic status quo should be maintained at SH as a nod to...history?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

It makes me crazy that people like you are so quick to dismiss any advanced tracking or academics as "hurting black people". It's like you have never set foot inside a EOTP MS or HS and/or haven't see the demographic data. Advanced tracking classes will benefit a LOT of high performing black and poor kids. But you'd rather virtue signal and keep everyone not WOTP down in the name of "equity".

OMG, people, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say that tracking would be “hurting black people.” What I said is that it’s ironic for people to be calling for more tracking at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson. Because it is.

And for the record, my child currently attends our in-bound EOTP DCPS middle school (7th grade). I am fully confident that my child will do extremely well in life, despite not being surrounded by kids who got 5s on the PARCC in middle school. Perhaps if more “UMC” parents on Capitol Hill had the same confidence in their own kids, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Do you want the schools to be filled with more kids like your own? Simple solution: join up with your brilliant “UMC” neighbors and send your kids to the schools. To the extent there is currently a problem, it is largely one that is self-made by the very people complaining about it.

And, yes, I know: blah, blah, blah Eastern. Blah, blah, blah test-in honors. I’ve heard it all before, and none of it undermines what I just said.

I told you in my initial reply that you clearly hadn't read or understood Hobson if you thought it was at all related to the tracking/honors discussion. Now, in addition to knowing you didn't understand the case, I'm thinking you don't know what the word "irony" means. Hobson facts showed that DC was engaging in de facto segregation once Brown was decided (outlawing separate but equal). If you don't think that honors/tracking is the same as what was done in Hobson then there's no irony. Which one is it? Do you (1) not understand Hobson or (2) not understand irony?

I'm not talking about the lawsuit. I'm talking about Mr. Hobson.

"I am against the track system and the whole concept of testing." - Julius Hobson, 1965 (before the lawsuit)

So I fully stand by my statement that it's ironic that some people are calling for more tracking at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson.

Oh the irony.

You’re so impressed with yourself for this stupid point. Glad you have this.

[Anonymous]

Speaking of Capitol Hill schools, how is Stuart Hobson? Is it markedly better than Elliot Hines? Competitive with Deal and schools like that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the PP you’re responding to but jumping on to suggest that you find a different passive aggressive hobby. Your posts are mean.

The PP to whom I responded conflated an insidious and odious part of our history (Brown v BoE and Hobson) with people advocating for honors classes at SH. With all due respect, I was nicer than s/he deserved. It's WAAAAYYYYY off base to equate the two.

P.S. Nothing passive about my reply. It was quite direct.

yup. nothing nice about false accusations of racism.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of Capitol Hill schools, how is Stuart Hobson? Is it markedly better than Elliot Hines? Competitive with Deal and schools like that?

Are you tuning in from outer space? Search Stuart Hobson on DCUM.

I you talk to Cluster parents who planed on sticking with Hobson all along, you'll be told that very good school. If you talk to in-boundary Cluster parents who land at BASIS, Latin 1, possibly Latin 2, privates and the burbs (the majority), you'll get a different opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of Capitol Hill schools, how is Stuart Hobson? Is it markedly better than Elliot Hines? Competitive with Deal and schools like that?

Are you tuning in from outer space? Search Stuart Hobson on DCUM.

I you talk to Cluster parents who planed on sticking with Hobson all along, you'll be told that very good school. If you talk to in-boundary Cluster parents who land at BASIS, Latin 1, possibly Latin 2, privates and the burbs (the majority), you'll get a different opinion.

You are dating yourself. It hasn't been the "cluster" is some time.

[Anonymous]

Huh? The Capitol Cluster School, Peabody, Watkins, Stuart Hobson, still a cluster spread over 3 campuses. https://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Huh? The Capitol Cluster School, Peabody, Watkins, Stuart Hobson, still a cluster spread over 3 campuses. https://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/

It really isn't. When it was an actual cluster it was three schools with one administration. SH was split off some time ago. Other than calling it a "cluster" please tell me how SH is in any way related to P/W? Bonus question, how is SH any more connected to P/W than LT or JO, which also feed to SH?

The only people who cling to the cluster concept are the PTA, who seem to enjoy having access to more money and power. It actually holds back SH. So weel done, "Cluster" PTA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huh? The Capitol Cluster School, Peabody, Watkins, Stuart Hobson, still a cluster spread over 3 campuses. https://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/

It really isn't. When it was an actual cluster it was three schools with one administration. SH was split off some time ago. Other than calling it a "cluster" please tell me how SH is in any way related to P/W? Bonus question, how is SH any more connected to P/W than LT or JO, which also feed to SH?

The only people who cling to the cluster concept are the PTA, who seem to enjoy having access to more money and power. It actually holds back SH. So weel done, "Cluster" PTA.

+1 our kids attend an SH feeder that is not part of the “Cluster” Snd people who still use this terminology are alienating. I don’t think it’s the primary reason so many families go charter/private/move, but it doesn’t help.

A persistent problem on the Hill is this kind of insular attitude about schools, FYI. You encounter similar attitudes from longtime families whose kids attend or attended SWS or CHMS. Even some families at some of the boundary schools behave this way. It’s this attitude like “we built this, you can’t have it.” It’s counterproductive. These are public schools. You should want people with young kids, people who recently moved here, people who lottery in from OOB to feel welcome, because they are part of your community now. Acting proprietary and exclusive doesn’t improve the stuff that needs to be fixed. And there is plenty that needs to be fixed.

[Anonymous]

Yes, but the fact remains that the most of the 60 plus white kids are still Watkins grads. They came up through Peabody and Watkins, vs. other SH feeders and DCPS elementary schools that don't feed into SH. There's still loyalty to SH among Cluster families, built on the belief that the school is as good a middle choice as BASIS or Latin, within in-name-only Cluster pyramid.

There's also an unfortunate reluctance to scrutinize SH's academic deficiencies within the white parent group, along with the lack of socioeconomic and racial diversity among students. Where are the Asian students, where is the Latino cohort, where are the UMC AA students? The insularity of the arch liberal UMC group at SH is a drag. Advocating for more honors classes isn't on their agenda.