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Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

Absolutely wrong. An appropriate curriculum would increase integration of IB MS and HS. Do you even reallze how segregated IB schools are now? Look at some data before you make false accusations of racism.

Absolutely right to the politicians and city voting blocks that matter.

EotP, go charter, go private, move or half home school your kid enrolled in a DCPS MS. Those are your options. Those will be your options for the next decade. Pointless to think otherwise.

Please, show me the politicians and voting blocks that are happy with the W6, 7 & 8 HS and MS options? And also tell me where they send their kids to school. And if their kids are, say, one of the 1% at Kramer MS that scored 5 on the PARCC Math, whether they would like that child to have access to better opportunities.

We’re in Ward 5 and also not happy with our MS/HS options, plus our DCPS ESs don’t perform as well as those in Ward 6. Yes, a lot of popular charters are located in Ward 5, but they are nearly impossible to get into— at least some of the Ward 7 and 8 charters have shorter waitlists.

I don’t post this to say Wards 6/7/8 have it great — I wouldn’t send my kid to Eastern or Anacostia HSs either. But this is a city wide issue. It’s not unique to Capitol Hill.

W6 does indeed have some decent ES options. Unfortunately that is where it ends. Brent and Maury 5th grades are decimated by BASIS and Latin. JOW's impending reno is delaying what many hoped would be an LT like conversion. And even is the SH feeders improve en masse over time, HS is still a pickle. W5 families end up in the same place as W6 families, it just takes a few more years.

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Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

Absolutely wrong. An appropriate curriculum would increase integration of IB MS and HS. Do you even reallze how segregated IB schools are now? Look at some data before you make false accusations of racism.

Absolutely right to the politicians and city voting blocks that matter.

EotP, go charter, go private, move or half home school your kid enrolled in a DCPS MS. Those are your options. Those will be your options for the next decade. Pointless to think otherwise.

Please, show me the politicians and voting blocks that are happy with the W6, 7 & 8 HS and MS options? And also tell me where they send their kids to school. And if their kids are, say, one of the 1% at Kramer MS that scored 5 on the PARCC Math, whether they would like that child to have access to better opportunities.

We’re in Ward 5 and also not happy with our MS/HS options, plus our DCPS ESs don’t perform as well as those in Ward 6. Yes, a lot of popular charters are located in Ward 5, but they are nearly impossible to get into— at least some of the Ward 7 and 8 charters have shorter waitlists.

I don’t post this to say Wards 6/7/8 have it great — I wouldn’t send my kid to Eastern or Anacostia HSs either. But this is a city wide issue. It’s not unique to Capitol Hill.

W6 does indeed have some decent ES options. Unfortunately that is where it ends. Brent and Maury 5th grades are decimated by BASIS and Latin. JOW's impending reno is delaying what many hoped would be an LT like conversion. And even is the SH feeders improve en masse over time, HS is still a pickle. W5 families end up in the same place as W6 families, it just takes a few more years.

Uh, the option to attend some of the best ES in the city as your neighborhood school IB definitely puts you ahead of most W5 families. Like your complaining little paragraph there name checks some of the most sought-after DCPS ES in the city. So no, not the same as Ward 5, where people who strike out on the lottery have few good IB choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

It makes me crazy that people like you are so quick to dismiss any advanced tracking or academics as "hurting black people". It's like you have never set foot inside a EOTP MS or HS and/or haven't see the demographic data. Advanced tracking classes will benefit a LOT of high performing black and poor kids. But you'd rather virtue signal and keep everyone not WOTP down in the name of "equity".

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Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

Absolutely wrong. An appropriate curriculum would increase integration of IB MS and HS. Do you even reallze how segregated IB schools are now? Look at some data before you make false accusations of racism.

Absolutely right to the politicians and city voting blocks that matter.

EotP, go charter, go private, move or half home school your kid enrolled in a DCPS MS. Those are your options. Those will be your options for the next decade. Pointless to think otherwise.

Please, show me the politicians and voting blocks that are happy with the W6, 7 & 8 HS and MS options? And also tell me where they send their kids to school. And if their kids are, say, one of the 1% at Kramer MS that scored 5 on the PARCC Math, whether they would like that child to have access to better opportunities.

We’re in Ward 5 and also not happy with our MS/HS options, plus our DCPS ESs don’t perform as well as those in Ward 6. Yes, a lot of popular charters are located in Ward 5, but they are nearly impossible to get into— at least some of the Ward 7 and 8 charters have shorter waitlists.

I don’t post this to say Wards 6/7/8 have it great — I wouldn’t send my kid to Eastern or Anacostia HSs either. But this is a city wide issue. It’s not unique to Capitol Hill.

W6 does indeed have some decent ES options. Unfortunately that is where it ends. Brent and Maury 5th grades are decimated by BASIS and Latin. JOW's impending reno is delaying what many hoped would be an LT like conversion. And even is the SH feeders improve en masse over time, HS is still a pickle. W5 families end up in the same place as W6 families, it just takes a few more years.

Uh, the option to attend some of the best ES in the city as your neighborhood school IB definitely puts you ahead of most W5 families. Like your complaining little paragraph there name checks some of the most sought-after DCPS ES in the city. So no, not the same as Ward 5, where people who strike out on the lottery have few good IB choices.

Hop off the cross, my friend. You are so focused on how put upon you are that you can't even read and process the words.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

Absolutely wrong. An appropriate curriculum would increase integration of IB MS and HS. Do you even reallze how segregated IB schools are now? Look at some data before you make false accusations of racism.

Absolutely right to the politicians and city voting blocks that matter.

EotP, go charter, go private, move or half home school your kid enrolled in a DCPS MS. Those are your options. Those will be your options for the next decade. Pointless to think otherwise.

. My CH kids are still young but I’m inclined to agree.

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theres another option: it’s called go in-bound middle school and advocate for improvement from the inside (this idea really scares a lot of people)

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We tried that with elementary school, served on the school’s LSAT etc. 8 years later, we hire several tutors to ensure that our 5th grader is prepared for an academically challenging middle school. We’ve burned out on being involved and just want a high performing MS school. Our experience seems pretty typical.

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Common experience. Goes a long way toward explaining the popularity of functional middle school charters.

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Anonymous wrote:theres another option: it’s called go in-bound middle school and advocate for improvement from the inside (this idea really scares a lot of people)

Your smug, moral superiority is matched only by your ignorance of the state of MS and HS in DC (outside of Deal/Hardy/JR).

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Anonymous wrote:theres another option: it’s called go in-bound middle school and advocate for improvement from the inside (this idea really scares a lot of people)

it doesnt scare anyone,
DCUM is full of educated, resourceful parents who know how to make things happen. But once on the inside (I have a 4th grader at a title 1 school, shut out of lottery five years in a row)--I have given up. Schools get better becuase of gentrification and students coming in who have parents who push them hard academically. there is no other magic elixir.

I only donate now directly to my kids classroom cause the PTA is such a mess and disorganized in their efforts to be social justice warriors. It takes decades to turn a school around. We cannot keep on in this school through 5th.

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Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

It makes me crazy that people like you are so quick to dismiss any advanced tracking or academics as "hurting black people". It's like you have never set foot inside a EOTP MS or HS and/or haven't see the demographic data. Advanced tracking classes will benefit a LOT of high performing black and poor kids. But you'd rather virtue signal and keep everyone not WOTP down in the name of "equity".

OMG, people, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say that tracking would be “hurting black people.” What I said is that it’s ironic for people to be calling for more tracking at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson. Because it is.

And for the record, my child currently attends our in-bound EOTP DCPS middle school (7th grade). I am fully confident that my child will do extremely well in life, despite not being surrounded by kids who got 5s on the PARCC in middle school. Perhaps if more “UMC” parents on Capitol Hill had the same confidence in their own kids, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Do you want the schools to be filled with more kids like your own? Simple solution: join up with your brilliant “UMC” neighbors and send your kids to the schools. To the extent there is currently a problem, it is largely one that is self-made by the very people complaining about it.

And, yes, I know: blah, blah, blah Eastern. Blah, blah, blah test-in honors. I’ve heard it all before, and none of it undermines what I just said.

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Anonymous wrote:theres another option: it’s called go in-bound middle school and advocate for improvement from the inside (this idea really scares a lot of people)

It doesn’t scare me at all. But not worth taking on an impossible task when options exist.

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Anonymous wrote:theres another option: it’s called go in-bound middle school and advocate for improvement from the inside (this idea really scares a lot of people)

Middle school is 3 years. Even if people have the energy for this, there will be no meaningful change in time for it to help your child’s experience, in most cases. Before I became a parent, I would have said that it’s still meaningful to do this, to help future students. But after four years in DCPS, and especially after Covid, I would never tell this to anyone. I will act in my child’s best interest, full stop.

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Exactly. Parents just aren’t in a position to turn low-performing urban middle schools into high-performing schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given the huge demographic income disparities in DC, do you honestly believe that what some “UMC” folks are calling for would not result in more de facto segregation in DC schools?

And do you not think it’s ironic that some are specifically calling for this at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson?

It makes me crazy that people like you are so quick to dismiss any advanced tracking or academics as "hurting black people". It's like you have never set foot inside a EOTP MS or HS and/or haven't see the demographic data. Advanced tracking classes will benefit a LOT of high performing black and poor kids. But you'd rather virtue signal and keep everyone not WOTP down in the name of "equity".

OMG, people, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say that tracking would be “hurting black people.” What I said is that it’s ironic for people to be calling for more tracking at the school named in honor of Mr. Hobson. Because it is.

And for the record, my child currently attends our in-bound EOTP DCPS middle school (7th grade). I am fully confident that my child will do extremely well in life, despite not being surrounded by kids who got 5s on the PARCC in middle school. Perhaps if more “UMC” parents on Capitol Hill had the same confidence in their own kids, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Do you want the schools to be filled with more kids like your own? Simple solution: join up with your brilliant “UMC” neighbors and send your kids to the schools. To the extent there is currently a problem, it is largely one that is self-made by the very people complaining about it.

And, yes, I know: blah, blah, blah Eastern. Blah, blah, blah test-in honors. I’ve heard it all before, and none of it undermines what I just said.

I told you in my initial reply that you clearly hadn't read or understood Hobson if you thought it was at all related to the tracking/honors discussion. Now, in addition to knowing you didn't understand the case, I'm thinking you don't know what the word "irony" means. Hobson facts showed that DC was engaging in de facto segregation once Brown was decided (outlawing separate but equal). If you don't think that honors/tracking is the same as what was done in Hobson then there's no irony. Which one is it? Do you (1) not understand Hobson or (2) not understand irony?