Mary Cheh wants to make it legal for bicyclists for blow stop signs and stop lights

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another great day for a bike ride with the kids. They are loving it.

Parents who let children ride bikes in major cities need to have their heads examined. I know you're really, really really into bikes, but it is insanely dangerous and you are being completely irresponsible.

I had an old man in Fairfax City almost drive his bike in front of my car! He wanted to cross a busy street and just did - no crosswalk, etc. He was wobbly like a child would be and exhibited poor decision-making skills. Children are the same - I agree with you.

It's a good thing that drivers who are too old never cause problems 🤔

Please try to keep up-this thread is about cyclists. Read the title. When you simply keep talking about cars it means you have no good argument.

Good point, those are definitely completely separate issues that have no bearing on each other.

Are there any other debate club rules that you'd like to make up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another great day for a bike ride with the kids. They are loving it.

Parents who let children ride bikes in major cities need to have their heads examined. I know you're really, really really into bikes, but it is insanely dangerous and you are being completely irresponsible.

I had an old man in Fairfax City almost drive his bike in front of my car! He wanted to cross a busy street and just did - no crosswalk, etc. He was wobbly like a child would be and exhibited poor decision-making skills. Children are the same - I agree with you.

It's a good thing that drivers who are too old never cause problems 🤔

Please try to keep up-this thread is about cyclists. Read the title. When you simply keep talking about cars it means you have no good argument.

Good point, those are definitely completely separate issues that have no bearing on each other.

Are there any other debate club rules that you'd like to make up?

Not a rule, just an observation. Bikers suck at debating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another great day for a bike ride with the kids. They are loving it.

Parents who let children ride bikes in major cities need to have their heads examined. I know you're really, really really into bikes, but it is insanely dangerous and you are being completely irresponsible.

I had an old man in Fairfax City almost drive his bike in front of my car! He wanted to cross a busy street and just did - no crosswalk, etc. He was wobbly like a child would be and exhibited poor decision-making skills. Children are the same - I agree with you.

It's a good thing that drivers who are too old never cause problems 🤔

Please try to keep up-this thread is about cyclists. Read the title. When you simply keep talking about cars it means you have no good argument.

Good point, those are definitely completely separate issues that have no bearing on each other.

Are there any other debate club rules that you'd like to make up?

Not a rule, just an observation. Bikers suck at debating.

Drivers suck at driving cars, so not in a great place to criticize anyone else. You all drive into everything including stationary buildings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another great day for a bike ride with the kids. They are loving it.

Parents who let children ride bikes in major cities need to have their heads examined. I know you're really, really really into bikes, but it is insanely dangerous and you are being completely irresponsible.

I had an old man in Fairfax City almost drive his bike in front of my car! He wanted to cross a busy street and just did - no crosswalk, etc. He was wobbly like a child would be and exhibited poor decision-making skills. Children are the same - I agree with you.

It's a good thing that drivers who are too old never cause problems 🤔

Please try to keep up-this thread is about cyclists. Read the title. When you simply keep talking about cars it means you have no good argument.

Actually, this thread is about stop signs and stop lights. Dragging in all of your general-purpose anti-cyclist hate just shows you have no good arguments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another great day for a bike ride with the kids. They are loving it.

Parents who let children ride bikes in major cities need to have their heads examined. I know you're really, really really into bikes, but it is insanely dangerous and you are being completely irresponsible.

I had an old man in Fairfax City almost drive his bike in front of my car! He wanted to cross a busy street and just did - no crosswalk, etc. He was wobbly like a child would be and exhibited poor decision-making skills. Children are the same - I agree with you.

It's a good thing that drivers who are too old never cause problems 🤔

Please try to keep up-this thread is about cyclists. Read the title. When you simply keep talking about cars it means you have no good argument.

Actually, this thread is about stop signs and stop lights. Dragging in all of your general-purpose anti-cyclist hate just shows you have no good arguments.

Wow. You didn't even read the first post did you? Or even the thread title? Please tell me if you are this stupid you are not operating any type of vehicle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another great day for a bike ride with the kids. They are loving it.

Parents who let children ride bikes in major cities need to have their heads examined. I know you're really, really really into bikes, but it is insanely dangerous and you are being completely irresponsible.

I had an old man in Fairfax City almost drive his bike in front of my car! He wanted to cross a busy street and just did - no crosswalk, etc. He was wobbly like a child would be and exhibited poor decision-making skills. Children are the same - I agree with you.

It's a good thing that drivers who are too old never cause problems 🤔

Please try to keep up-this thread is about cyclists. Read the title. When you simply keep talking about cars it means you have no good argument.

Good point, those are definitely completely separate issues that have no bearing on each other.

Are there any other debate club rules that you'd like to make up?

Not a rule, just an observation. Bikers suck at debating.

Drivers suck at driving cars, so not in a great place to criticize anyone else. You all drive into everything including stationary buildings.

So don't ride a bike near all those sucky drivers. You might get hurt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another great day for a bike ride with the kids. They are loving it.

Parents who let children ride bikes in major cities need to have their heads examined. I know you're really, really really into bikes, but it is insanely dangerous and you are being completely irresponsible.

I had an old man in Fairfax City almost drive his bike in front of my car! He wanted to cross a busy street and just did - no crosswalk, etc. He was wobbly like a child would be and exhibited poor decision-making skills. Children are the same - I agree with you.

It's a good thing that drivers who are too old never cause problems 🤔

Please try to keep up-this thread is about cyclists. Read the title. When you simply keep talking about cars it means you have no good argument.

Actually, this thread is about stop signs and stop lights. Dragging in all of your general-purpose anti-cyclist hate just shows you have no good arguments.

Wow. You didn't even read the first post did you? Or even the thread title? Please tell me if you are this stupid you are not operating any type of vehicle.

When you've lost the argument, you get stuck trying to win on semantics I guess? It's over, pal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another great day for a bike ride with the kids. They are loving it.

Parents who let children ride bikes in major cities need to have their heads examined. I know you're really, really really into bikes, but it is insanely dangerous and you are being completely irresponsible.

I had an old man in Fairfax City almost drive his bike in front of my car! He wanted to cross a busy street and just did - no crosswalk, etc. He was wobbly like a child would be and exhibited poor decision-making skills. Children are the same - I agree with you.

It's a good thing that drivers who are too old never cause problems 🤔

Please try to keep up-this thread is about cyclists. Read the title. When you simply keep talking about cars it means you have no good argument.

Good point, those are definitely completely separate issues that have no bearing on each other.

Are there any other debate club rules that you'd like to make up?

Not a rule, just an observation. Bikers suck at debating.

Drivers suck at driving cars, so not in a great place to criticize anyone else. You all drive into everything including stationary buildings.

So don't ride a bike near all those sucky drivers. You might get hurt.

Thanks but no thanks for your life advice. It's pretty bad.

[Anonymous]

The sad truth is that it was the cyclists who were responsible for advocating to the federal government for the paved roads that we have today. The cyclists lobbied the govt for paved roads, which led to the 1916 Federal Aid Road Act which allocated federal funds to roads for the first time in US history.

The network of paved roads that the cyclists lobbied for, eventually allowed the use of cars to be successful, and then before long, the cars took over the roads. And here we are today.

Today's cyclists are not asking to share the highways with the cars. Today's cyclists are just asking for their share of local roads, that they pay taxes for.

I get that we have had nearly a hundred years where the roads and traffic laws have been designed around cars only, but maybe we should all be asking ourselves if this is what we want for the next hundred years. Especially when that movement has caused such a detrimental impact to our environment, the climate, our daily quality of life, and has caused countless deaths over the past 100 years to pedestrians and cyclists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sad truth is that it was the cyclists who were responsible for advocating to the federal government for the paved roads that we have today. The cyclists lobbied the govt for paved roads, which led to the 1916 Federal Aid Road Act which allocated federal funds to roads for the first time in US history.

The network of paved roads that the cyclists lobbied for, eventually allowed the use of cars to be successful, and then before long, the cars took over the roads. And here we are today.

Today's cyclists are not asking to share the highways with the cars. Today's cyclists are just asking for their share of local roads, that they pay taxes for.

I get that we have had nearly a hundred years where the roads and traffic laws have been designed around cars only, but maybe we should all be asking ourselves if this is what we want for the next hundred years. Especially when that movement has caused such a detrimental impact to our environment, the climate, our daily quality of life, and has caused countless deaths over the past 100 years to pedestrians and cyclists.

And by the way, if you are also counting driver deaths, related to vehicle crashes, that number is one of the highest leading causes of death in our country. We can continue to accept that this is ok, or we can keep pushing back and say - hey, this was not the right direction for our country to go down and it's time we started making some corrections to our egregious mistakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sad truth is that it was the cyclists who were responsible for advocating to the federal government for the paved roads that we have today. The cyclists lobbied the govt for paved roads, which led to the 1916 Federal Aid Road Act which allocated federal funds to roads for the first time in US history.

The network of paved roads that the cyclists lobbied for, eventually allowed the use of cars to be successful, and then before long, the cars took over the roads. And here we are today.

Today's cyclists are not asking to share the highways with the cars. Today's cyclists are just asking for their share of local roads, that they pay taxes for.

I get that we have had nearly a hundred years where the roads and traffic laws have been designed around cars only, but maybe we should all be asking ourselves if this is what we want for the next hundred years. Especially when that movement has caused such a detrimental impact to our environment, the climate, our daily quality of life, and has caused countless deaths over the past 100 years to pedestrians and cyclists.

And by the way, if you are also counting driver deaths, related to vehicle crashes, that number is one of the highest leading causes of death in our country. We can continue to accept that this is ok, or we can keep pushing back and say - hey, this was not the right direction for our country to go down and it's time we started making some corrections to our egregious mistakes.

*driver/passenger deaths

[Anonymous]

It’s almost like cycling is intrinsically dangerous regardless whether cars are present and no amount of rules or engineering can de-risk what is a fundamentally high risk activity. It’s probably time for cyclists to accept this and make their own risk-based decisions whether the risks are appropriate for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like cycling is intrinsically dangerous regardless whether cars are present and no amount of rules or engineering can de-risk what is a fundamentally high risk activity. It’s probably time for cyclists to accept this and make their own risk-based decisions whether the risks are appropriate for them.

Would you like me to find a picture of a car crash in the last two weeks that killed people, rather than injured? I think there are a lot more of those. Also, not really sure how a bike accident at Hains Point has much to do with using the Idaho stop on city streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like cycling is intrinsically dangerous regardless whether cars are present and no amount of rules or engineering can de-risk what is a fundamentally high risk activity. It’s probably time for cyclists to accept this and make their own risk-based decisions whether the risks are appropriate for them.

Actually your chances of dying in a motor vehicle crash is 10-30x higher than dying in a bicycle crash. So let me edit your statement to be more factual:

"It's almost like driving is intrinsically dangerous regardless whether bikes are present and no amount of rules or engineering can de-risk what is a fundamentally a high risk activity. It's probably time for drivers to accept this and make their own risk-based decisions whether the risks are appropriate for them."

[Anonymous]

Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.