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Anonymous wrote:Please no more scooters. They are the worst.

Well, no. Cars are the worst. If you object to people using scooters on the sidewalk, then you should support protected bike lanes for scooter users to use.

Sorry. If it has a motor, then it belongs with other motorized transportation.

So, on the sidewalk? With motorized wheelchairs?

Motorized wheelchairs don't tend to run down pedestrians. But I've seen scooters collide with pedestrians on sidewalks. Enough already!

You're right, we need protected bike lanes for scooter users to use. It will also reduce the number of drivers who run down pedestrians (and wheelchair users and scooter users and bicyclists and other motorists and parked cars and trees and bus shelters and houses and utility poles and traffic signals and stop signs and and and...), which is a far more significant problem.

The number of pedestrians who are run down by drivers is not much more than the number of Washingtonians who are eaten by great white sharks. The numbers are tiny.

What? No. In DC, just in 2023 through August 8, at least 397 pedestrians have been injured in car crashes (51 major injuries, 11 killed). Also injured in car crashes: at least 176 bicyclists (12 major injuries, 1 killed), 967 car passengers (44 major injuries, 6 killed), ~2,200 drivers (98 major injuries, 8 killed), and 178 "other" (3 motorcyclists and 2 scooter users killed).

Where? How many of these have been on Connecticut?

A crap load, actually. In the first four months of 2023, there have been forty-six reported crashes between Woodley Park and Chevy Chase DC — that’s one crash every 2.5 days.

46! Oh no! Whatever will we do?

We have 21,000 crimes so far this year, including 3,200 violent crimes.

What a ghoul you must be? A friend of mine in DC represents one of the major injuries to pedestrians. They were hit in the crosswalk, crossing on walk, by a driver who was turning right on red. Multiple broken bones, several days in the hospital, missed work (luckily they had sick leave they could use), physical therapy, still recovering mobility months later, bills - but sure, shark bites. Oh, and crime, can't forget crime.

And yet on another thread on this site, where people are complaining about DC having as many murders as Baltimore, and how there's an epidemic of black children shooting black children, you'll tell us how crime is overblown and rare and that's how cities are and if you don't like, move to the suburbs.

Racist.

Argue with yourself, if you want. Are murders a problem? Yes, murders are a problem - a very complicated one. Are traffic crashes a problem? Yes, traffic crashes are a problem - and we know how to prevent them, using multiple strategies, one of which is protected bike lanes.

Dress it up however you want, but it's rich white people from Ward 3 commandeering scarce public funds to subsidize their hobbies.

Bike lanes are not created for avid cyclists. Avid cyclists have no issue riding Conn Ave. Bike lanes are created for people who want it as a safe mode of transportation to get from one neighborhood to another to shop, go to school, etc.

Some background on cyclist typologies: https://blog.altaplanning.com/understanding-the-four-types-of-cyclists-112e1d2e9a1b

Long and short is the more separate and safer feeling the infrastructure, the larger the potential rider pool is.

A lot of wishful thinking here. Bikes only appeal to a very small demographic. Most people think it's a wildly impractical way of getting around, as evident by our scarcely used bike lanes.

The vast majority of people are mode-agnostic. They will choose the fastest/easiest/cheapest mode available. If biking becomes easier, more people bike. If driving becomes harder, people take metro, or buses or bike, etc...

We've had bike lanes in this city for 15 years. If it was going to catch on, it would have caught on by now.

It has caught on. Please stop driving. You can't see.

Oh it's this guy. The one whose only response to people pointing out that hardly anyone uses the bike lanes is to weirdly suggest that they can't see. You're also the person who likens white people from Ward 3 who love bikes who are hated by everyone but their mothers to African Americans suffering from racial discrimination, right? Your arguments are super bad and oh so tone deaf. Keep it up.

I'm not a "guy," and if you can't see people using bike lanes, you can't see. And if you can't see, you need to stop driving. When is the last time you took a vision test?

To be more charitable, the best bike routes are the ones most separated from car traffic so its possible that someone who only drives will miss a lot of the growth. A driver would miss anyone on a trail for instance. A cycle track on a less travelled road would also be almost invisible to the average driver. And lastly, bikes take up a whole lot less space and generate a lot less noise than cars moving the same number of people, so they will not be as in your face as cars.

Bigots need no charity.

Look, I just got off my bike ride to work on Connecticut Avenue not long ago, and I am a strong supporter of the bike lanes. But it is ridiculous to say you can be bigoted against people on bikes. Bigotry as virtually anyone understands the term is an irrational/blanket dislike of people for some characteristic or background of theirs — you can be bigoted against people of a certain sex, certain gender, certain religion, certain race, etc. You cannot be bigoted against cyclists. For one thing, if we want to avoid the pernicious effects of this "bigotry," all we have to do is... get off the bike.

People can dislike cyclists and cycling, definitely, but let's not take this unnecessary detour into suggesting that there's prejudice involved or that cyclists are in any way a protected class or an oppressed minority.

That's silly, PP. A person can be bigoted about anything. It doesn't have to be an immutable characteristic or protected class. You can be bigoted about Audi drivers (jerks), or people who like pineapple on their pizza (immature), or West Virginians (hicks), or Princeton graduates (snobs), or Taylor Swift superfans (poseurs), or orthopedic surgeons (narcissists), or ... There is simply no other description than bigotry for the beliefs of the poster who has carried this thread on for 330 pages of hating "cyclists."

Cyclists think they're being discriminated against? OMG

Did your ban just expire or did you find a VPN?

I’d also like to know where you read anyone claiming that they are being discriminated against.

However what I do see are posters calling you out for spreading malicious stereotypes about other groups of people, something which falls well within the dictionary definition of bigotry.

That you fail to be able to distinguish between the various different concepts is your own issue.

How MAGA of you. I'm sorry your hero is going to prison.

I assume that this is meant to be directed to the person posting alt-right cartoon strips.

White people who think they're the real victims are Trump's base.

Dumb boomers who still demand auto infrastructure at all costs while the world burns (hottest JULY in recorded history) and who get their nuts off in their disiel trucks rolling coal on cyclists and priuses voted for trump at a way higher rate.

I've never seen anyone in DC, rolling coal or not, in a diesel truck. This is so odd. It's almost as if they're entire policy ideology is based on trolling people in Mississippi.

As someone that neither lives in Mississippi nor cares about what people do in Mississippi this seems like a very stupid thing to base policy on.

The guy you're responding to is here all day every day. 90 percent of the posts on this thread were written by him. I think there's something wrong with him.

Don't misgender me.

Hi Commissioner!

I know this is hard for your privileged, white guy boomer mind to process, but Commisioner Gise doesn't even ride a bike, and probably hasn't nor will ever, visit DCUM.

Gise has done between zero and nothing for bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue. One vote in support did not outdo her idiotic middle finger.

Our local businesses are still struggling. Arrogant ANC commissioners literally flipping off a business with which they disagree on a policy issue and then Tweeting (X'ing?) the photo -- it's stupid and troubling.

Pretty sure they were flipping off the ANTI BIKE LANE SIGN in the window, not the business itself.

Didn’t they try to shut down the business? Just what we need more empty store fronts.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/

This video camera study showed that less than 5% of people on bikes break traffic laws while riding, yet 66% of people do so when driving. And if you REALLY want even MORE bike-riders to obey laws, build more protected bike infrastructure.

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Anonymous wrote:Please no more scooters. They are the worst.

Well, no. Cars are the worst. If you object to people using scooters on the sidewalk, then you should support protected bike lanes for scooter users to use.

Sorry. If it has a motor, then it belongs with other motorized transportation.

So, on the sidewalk? With motorized wheelchairs?

Motorized wheelchairs don't tend to run down pedestrians. But I've seen scooters collide with pedestrians on sidewalks. Enough already!

You're right, we need protected bike lanes for scooter users to use. It will also reduce the number of drivers who run down pedestrians (and wheelchair users and scooter users and bicyclists and other motorists and parked cars and trees and bus shelters and houses and utility poles and traffic signals and stop signs and and and...), which is a far more significant problem.

The number of pedestrians who are run down by drivers is not much more than the number of Washingtonians who are eaten by great white sharks. The numbers are tiny.

What? No. In DC, just in 2023 through August 8, at least 397 pedestrians have been injured in car crashes (51 major injuries, 11 killed). Also injured in car crashes: at least 176 bicyclists (12 major injuries, 1 killed), 967 car passengers (44 major injuries, 6 killed), ~2,200 drivers (98 major injuries, 8 killed), and 178 "other" (3 motorcyclists and 2 scooter users killed).

Where? How many of these have been on Connecticut?

A crap load, actually. In the first four months of 2023, there have been forty-six reported crashes between Woodley Park and Chevy Chase DC — that’s one crash every 2.5 days.

46! Oh no! Whatever will we do?

We have 21,000 crimes so far this year, including 3,200 violent crimes.

What a ghoul you must be? A friend of mine in DC represents one of the major injuries to pedestrians. They were hit in the crosswalk, crossing on walk, by a driver who was turning right on red. Multiple broken bones, several days in the hospital, missed work (luckily they had sick leave they could use), physical therapy, still recovering mobility months later, bills - but sure, shark bites. Oh, and crime, can't forget crime.

And yet on another thread on this site, where people are complaining about DC having as many murders as Baltimore, and how there's an epidemic of black children shooting black children, you'll tell us how crime is overblown and rare and that's how cities are and if you don't like, move to the suburbs.

Racist.

Argue with yourself, if you want. Are murders a problem? Yes, murders are a problem - a very complicated one. Are traffic crashes a problem? Yes, traffic crashes are a problem - and we know how to prevent them, using multiple strategies, one of which is protected bike lanes.

Dress it up however you want, but it's rich white people from Ward 3 commandeering scarce public funds to subsidize their hobbies.

Bike lanes are not created for avid cyclists. Avid cyclists have no issue riding Conn Ave. Bike lanes are created for people who want it as a safe mode of transportation to get from one neighborhood to another to shop, go to school, etc.

Some background on cyclist typologies: https://blog.altaplanning.com/understanding-the-four-types-of-cyclists-112e1d2e9a1b

Long and short is the more separate and safer feeling the infrastructure, the larger the potential rider pool is.

A lot of wishful thinking here. Bikes only appeal to a very small demographic. Most people think it's a wildly impractical way of getting around, as evident by our scarcely used bike lanes.

The vast majority of people are mode-agnostic. They will choose the fastest/easiest/cheapest mode available. If biking becomes easier, more people bike. If driving becomes harder, people take metro, or buses or bike, etc...

We've had bike lanes in this city for 15 years. If it was going to catch on, it would have caught on by now.

It has caught on. Please stop driving. You can't see.

Oh it's this guy. The one whose only response to people pointing out that hardly anyone uses the bike lanes is to weirdly suggest that they can't see. You're also the person who likens white people from Ward 3 who love bikes who are hated by everyone but their mothers to African Americans suffering from racial discrimination, right? Your arguments are super bad and oh so tone deaf. Keep it up.

I'm not a "guy," and if you can't see people using bike lanes, you can't see. And if you can't see, you need to stop driving. When is the last time you took a vision test?

To be more charitable, the best bike routes are the ones most separated from car traffic so its possible that someone who only drives will miss a lot of the growth. A driver would miss anyone on a trail for instance. A cycle track on a less travelled road would also be almost invisible to the average driver. And lastly, bikes take up a whole lot less space and generate a lot less noise than cars moving the same number of people, so they will not be as in your face as cars.

Bigots need no charity.

Look, I just got off my bike ride to work on Connecticut Avenue not long ago, and I am a strong supporter of the bike lanes. But it is ridiculous to say you can be bigoted against people on bikes. Bigotry as virtually anyone understands the term is an irrational/blanket dislike of people for some characteristic or background of theirs — you can be bigoted against people of a certain sex, certain gender, certain religion, certain race, etc. You cannot be bigoted against cyclists. For one thing, if we want to avoid the pernicious effects of this "bigotry," all we have to do is... get off the bike.

People can dislike cyclists and cycling, definitely, but let's not take this unnecessary detour into suggesting that there's prejudice involved or that cyclists are in any way a protected class or an oppressed minority.

That's silly, PP. A person can be bigoted about anything. It doesn't have to be an immutable characteristic or protected class. You can be bigoted about Audi drivers (jerks), or people who like pineapple on their pizza (immature), or West Virginians (hicks), or Princeton graduates (snobs), or Taylor Swift superfans (poseurs), or orthopedic surgeons (narcissists), or ... There is simply no other description than bigotry for the beliefs of the poster who has carried this thread on for 330 pages of hating "cyclists."

Cyclists think they're being discriminated against? OMG

Did your ban just expire or did you find a VPN?

I’d also like to know where you read anyone claiming that they are being discriminated against.

However what I do see are posters calling you out for spreading malicious stereotypes about other groups of people, something which falls well within the dictionary definition of bigotry.

That you fail to be able to distinguish between the various different concepts is your own issue.

How MAGA of you. I'm sorry your hero is going to prison.

I assume that this is meant to be directed to the person posting alt-right cartoon strips.

White people who think they're the real victims are Trump's base.

Dumb boomers who still demand auto infrastructure at all costs while the world burns (hottest JULY in recorded history) and who get their nuts off in their disiel trucks rolling coal on cyclists and priuses voted for trump at a way higher rate.

I've never seen anyone in DC, rolling coal or not, in a diesel truck. This is so odd. It's almost as if they're entire policy ideology is based on trolling people in Mississippi.

As someone that neither lives in Mississippi nor cares about what people do in Mississippi this seems like a very stupid thing to base policy on.

The guy you're responding to is here all day every day. 90 percent of the posts on this thread were written by him. I think there's something wrong with him.

Don't misgender me.

Hi Commissioner!

I know this is hard for your privileged, white guy boomer mind to process, but Commisioner Gise doesn't even ride a bike, and probably hasn't nor will ever, visit DCUM.

Gise has done between zero and nothing for bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue. One vote in support did not outdo her idiotic middle finger.

Our local businesses are still struggling. Arrogant ANC commissioners literally flipping off a business with which they disagree on a policy issue and then Tweeting (X'ing?) the photo -- it's stupid and troubling.

Pretty sure they were flipping off the ANTI BIKE LANE SIGN in the window, not the business itself.

Didn’t they try to shut down the business? Just what we need more empty store fronts.

LOL what??? Are you insane? Or just like reading weird garbage on some obscure person’s social media? They apologized. It was a moment of juvenile behavior and some of those pictured didn’t flick anyone off or know the others were. I know at least after of them are just very pro-bike, pro-local businesses, and want a cleaner and easier to navigate neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Please no more scooters. They are the worst.

Well, no. Cars are the worst. If you object to people using scooters on the sidewalk, then you should support protected bike lanes for scooter users to use.

Sorry. If it has a motor, then it belongs with other motorized transportation.

So, on the sidewalk? With motorized wheelchairs?

Motorized wheelchairs don't tend to run down pedestrians. But I've seen scooters collide with pedestrians on sidewalks. Enough already!

You're right, we need protected bike lanes for scooter users to use. It will also reduce the number of drivers who run down pedestrians (and wheelchair users and scooter users and bicyclists and other motorists and parked cars and trees and bus shelters and houses and utility poles and traffic signals and stop signs and and and...), which is a far more significant problem.

The number of pedestrians who are run down by drivers is not much more than the number of Washingtonians who are eaten by great white sharks. The numbers are tiny.

What? No. In DC, just in 2023 through August 8, at least 397 pedestrians have been injured in car crashes (51 major injuries, 11 killed). Also injured in car crashes: at least 176 bicyclists (12 major injuries, 1 killed), 967 car passengers (44 major injuries, 6 killed), ~2,200 drivers (98 major injuries, 8 killed), and 178 "other" (3 motorcyclists and 2 scooter users killed).

Where? How many of these have been on Connecticut?

A crap load, actually. In the first four months of 2023, there have been forty-six reported crashes between Woodley Park and Chevy Chase DC — that’s one crash every 2.5 days.

46! Oh no! Whatever will we do?

We have 21,000 crimes so far this year, including 3,200 violent crimes.

What a ghoul you must be? A friend of mine in DC represents one of the major injuries to pedestrians. They were hit in the crosswalk, crossing on walk, by a driver who was turning right on red. Multiple broken bones, several days in the hospital, missed work (luckily they had sick leave they could use), physical therapy, still recovering mobility months later, bills - but sure, shark bites. Oh, and crime, can't forget crime.

And yet on another thread on this site, where people are complaining about DC having as many murders as Baltimore, and how there's an epidemic of black children shooting black children, you'll tell us how crime is overblown and rare and that's how cities are and if you don't like, move to the suburbs.

Racist.

Argue with yourself, if you want. Are murders a problem? Yes, murders are a problem - a very complicated one. Are traffic crashes a problem? Yes, traffic crashes are a problem - and we know how to prevent them, using multiple strategies, one of which is protected bike lanes.

Dress it up however you want, but it's rich white people from Ward 3 commandeering scarce public funds to subsidize their hobbies.

Bike lanes are not created for avid cyclists. Avid cyclists have no issue riding Conn Ave. Bike lanes are created for people who want it as a safe mode of transportation to get from one neighborhood to another to shop, go to school, etc.

Some background on cyclist typologies: https://blog.altaplanning.com/understanding-the-four-types-of-cyclists-112e1d2e9a1b

Long and short is the more separate and safer feeling the infrastructure, the larger the potential rider pool is.

A lot of wishful thinking here. Bikes only appeal to a very small demographic. Most people think it's a wildly impractical way of getting around, as evident by our scarcely used bike lanes.

The vast majority of people are mode-agnostic. They will choose the fastest/easiest/cheapest mode available. If biking becomes easier, more people bike. If driving becomes harder, people take metro, or buses or bike, etc...

We've had bike lanes in this city for 15 years. If it was going to catch on, it would have caught on by now.

It has caught on. Please stop driving. You can't see.

Oh it's this guy. The one whose only response to people pointing out that hardly anyone uses the bike lanes is to weirdly suggest that they can't see. You're also the person who likens white people from Ward 3 who love bikes who are hated by everyone but their mothers to African Americans suffering from racial discrimination, right? Your arguments are super bad and oh so tone deaf. Keep it up.

I'm not a "guy," and if you can't see people using bike lanes, you can't see. And if you can't see, you need to stop driving. When is the last time you took a vision test?

To be more charitable, the best bike routes are the ones most separated from car traffic so its possible that someone who only drives will miss a lot of the growth. A driver would miss anyone on a trail for instance. A cycle track on a less travelled road would also be almost invisible to the average driver. And lastly, bikes take up a whole lot less space and generate a lot less noise than cars moving the same number of people, so they will not be as in your face as cars.

Bigots need no charity.

Look, I just got off my bike ride to work on Connecticut Avenue not long ago, and I am a strong supporter of the bike lanes. But it is ridiculous to say you can be bigoted against people on bikes. Bigotry as virtually anyone understands the term is an irrational/blanket dislike of people for some characteristic or background of theirs — you can be bigoted against people of a certain sex, certain gender, certain religion, certain race, etc. You cannot be bigoted against cyclists. For one thing, if we want to avoid the pernicious effects of this "bigotry," all we have to do is... get off the bike.

People can dislike cyclists and cycling, definitely, but let's not take this unnecessary detour into suggesting that there's prejudice involved or that cyclists are in any way a protected class or an oppressed minority.

That's silly, PP. A person can be bigoted about anything. It doesn't have to be an immutable characteristic or protected class. You can be bigoted about Audi drivers (jerks), or people who like pineapple on their pizza (immature), or West Virginians (hicks), or Princeton graduates (snobs), or Taylor Swift superfans (poseurs), or orthopedic surgeons (narcissists), or ... There is simply no other description than bigotry for the beliefs of the poster who has carried this thread on for 330 pages of hating "cyclists."

Cyclists think they're being discriminated against? OMG

Did your ban just expire or did you find a VPN?

I’d also like to know where you read anyone claiming that they are being discriminated against.

However what I do see are posters calling you out for spreading malicious stereotypes about other groups of people, something which falls well within the dictionary definition of bigotry.

That you fail to be able to distinguish between the various different concepts is your own issue.

How MAGA of you. I'm sorry your hero is going to prison.

I assume that this is meant to be directed to the person posting alt-right cartoon strips.

White people who think they're the real victims are Trump's base.

Dumb boomers who still demand auto infrastructure at all costs while the world burns (hottest JULY in recorded history) and who get their nuts off in their disiel trucks rolling coal on cyclists and priuses voted for trump at a way higher rate.

I've never seen anyone in DC, rolling coal or not, in a diesel truck. This is so odd. It's almost as if they're entire policy ideology is based on trolling people in Mississippi.

As someone that neither lives in Mississippi nor cares about what people do in Mississippi this seems like a very stupid thing to base policy on.

The guy you're responding to is here all day every day. 90 percent of the posts on this thread were written by him. I think there's something wrong with him.

Don't misgender me.

Hi Commissioner!

I know this is hard for your privileged, white guy boomer mind to process, but Commisioner Gise doesn't even ride a bike, and probably hasn't nor will ever, visit DCUM.

Gise has done between zero and nothing for bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue. One vote in support did not outdo her idiotic middle finger.

That was the biker gang sign. They all use it.

I guess it hurts your delicate boomer sensibilities?

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Anonymous wrote:Please no more scooters. They are the worst.

Well, no. Cars are the worst. If you object to people using scooters on the sidewalk, then you should support protected bike lanes for scooter users to use.

Sorry. If it has a motor, then it belongs with other motorized transportation.

So, on the sidewalk? With motorized wheelchairs?

Motorized wheelchairs don't tend to run down pedestrians. But I've seen scooters collide with pedestrians on sidewalks. Enough already!

You're right, we need protected bike lanes for scooter users to use. It will also reduce the number of drivers who run down pedestrians (and wheelchair users and scooter users and bicyclists and other motorists and parked cars and trees and bus shelters and houses and utility poles and traffic signals and stop signs and and and...), which is a far more significant problem.

The number of pedestrians who are run down by drivers is not much more than the number of Washingtonians who are eaten by great white sharks. The numbers are tiny.

What? No. In DC, just in 2023 through August 8, at least 397 pedestrians have been injured in car crashes (51 major injuries, 11 killed). Also injured in car crashes: at least 176 bicyclists (12 major injuries, 1 killed), 967 car passengers (44 major injuries, 6 killed), ~2,200 drivers (98 major injuries, 8 killed), and 178 "other" (3 motorcyclists and 2 scooter users killed).

Where? How many of these have been on Connecticut?

A crap load, actually. In the first four months of 2023, there have been forty-six reported crashes between Woodley Park and Chevy Chase DC — that’s one crash every 2.5 days.

46! Oh no! Whatever will we do?

We have 21,000 crimes so far this year, including 3,200 violent crimes.

What a ghoul you must be? A friend of mine in DC represents one of the major injuries to pedestrians. They were hit in the crosswalk, crossing on walk, by a driver who was turning right on red. Multiple broken bones, several days in the hospital, missed work (luckily they had sick leave they could use), physical therapy, still recovering mobility months later, bills - but sure, shark bites. Oh, and crime, can't forget crime.

And yet on another thread on this site, where people are complaining about DC having as many murders as Baltimore, and how there's an epidemic of black children shooting black children, you'll tell us how crime is overblown and rare and that's how cities are and if you don't like, move to the suburbs.

Racist.

Argue with yourself, if you want. Are murders a problem? Yes, murders are a problem - a very complicated one. Are traffic crashes a problem? Yes, traffic crashes are a problem - and we know how to prevent them, using multiple strategies, one of which is protected bike lanes.

Dress it up however you want, but it's rich white people from Ward 3 commandeering scarce public funds to subsidize their hobbies.

Bike lanes are not created for avid cyclists. Avid cyclists have no issue riding Conn Ave. Bike lanes are created for people who want it as a safe mode of transportation to get from one neighborhood to another to shop, go to school, etc.

Some background on cyclist typologies: https://blog.altaplanning.com/understanding-the-four-types-of-cyclists-112e1d2e9a1b

Long and short is the more separate and safer feeling the infrastructure, the larger the potential rider pool is.

A lot of wishful thinking here. Bikes only appeal to a very small demographic. Most people think it's a wildly impractical way of getting around, as evident by our scarcely used bike lanes.

The vast majority of people are mode-agnostic. They will choose the fastest/easiest/cheapest mode available. If biking becomes easier, more people bike. If driving becomes harder, people take metro, or buses or bike, etc...

We've had bike lanes in this city for 15 years. If it was going to catch on, it would have caught on by now.

It has caught on. Please stop driving. You can't see.

Oh it's this guy. The one whose only response to people pointing out that hardly anyone uses the bike lanes is to weirdly suggest that they can't see. You're also the person who likens white people from Ward 3 who love bikes who are hated by everyone but their mothers to African Americans suffering from racial discrimination, right? Your arguments are super bad and oh so tone deaf. Keep it up.

I'm not a "guy," and if you can't see people using bike lanes, you can't see. And if you can't see, you need to stop driving. When is the last time you took a vision test?

To be more charitable, the best bike routes are the ones most separated from car traffic so its possible that someone who only drives will miss a lot of the growth. A driver would miss anyone on a trail for instance. A cycle track on a less travelled road would also be almost invisible to the average driver. And lastly, bikes take up a whole lot less space and generate a lot less noise than cars moving the same number of people, so they will not be as in your face as cars.

Bigots need no charity.

Look, I just got off my bike ride to work on Connecticut Avenue not long ago, and I am a strong supporter of the bike lanes. But it is ridiculous to say you can be bigoted against people on bikes. Bigotry as virtually anyone understands the term is an irrational/blanket dislike of people for some characteristic or background of theirs — you can be bigoted against people of a certain sex, certain gender, certain religion, certain race, etc. You cannot be bigoted against cyclists. For one thing, if we want to avoid the pernicious effects of this "bigotry," all we have to do is... get off the bike.

People can dislike cyclists and cycling, definitely, but let's not take this unnecessary detour into suggesting that there's prejudice involved or that cyclists are in any way a protected class or an oppressed minority.

That's silly, PP. A person can be bigoted about anything. It doesn't have to be an immutable characteristic or protected class. You can be bigoted about Audi drivers (jerks), or people who like pineapple on their pizza (immature), or West Virginians (hicks), or Princeton graduates (snobs), or Taylor Swift superfans (poseurs), or orthopedic surgeons (narcissists), or ... There is simply no other description than bigotry for the beliefs of the poster who has carried this thread on for 330 pages of hating "cyclists."

Cyclists think they're being discriminated against? OMG

Did your ban just expire or did you find a VPN?

I’d also like to know where you read anyone claiming that they are being discriminated against.

However what I do see are posters calling you out for spreading malicious stereotypes about other groups of people, something which falls well within the dictionary definition of bigotry.

That you fail to be able to distinguish between the various different concepts is your own issue.

How MAGA of you. I'm sorry your hero is going to prison.

I assume that this is meant to be directed to the person posting alt-right cartoon strips.

White people who think they're the real victims are Trump's base.

Dumb boomers who still demand auto infrastructure at all costs while the world burns (hottest JULY in recorded history) and who get their nuts off in their disiel trucks rolling coal on cyclists and priuses voted for trump at a way higher rate.

I've never seen anyone in DC, rolling coal or not, in a diesel truck. This is so odd. It's almost as if they're entire policy ideology is based on trolling people in Mississippi.

As someone that neither lives in Mississippi nor cares about what people do in Mississippi this seems like a very stupid thing to base policy on.

The guy you're responding to is here all day every day. 90 percent of the posts on this thread were written by him. I think there's something wrong with him.

Don't misgender me.

Hi Commissioner!

I know this is hard for your privileged, white guy boomer mind to process, but Commisioner Gise doesn't even ride a bike, and probably hasn't nor will ever, visit DCUM.

Gise has done between zero and nothing for bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue. One vote in support did not outdo her idiotic middle finger.

Our local businesses are still struggling. Arrogant ANC commissioners literally flipping off a business with which they disagree on a policy issue and then Tweeting (X'ing?) the photo -- it's stupid and troubling.

Pretty sure they were flipping off the ANTI BIKE LANE SIGN in the window, not the business itself.

They arrogantly announced on social media that "The ANC 3C majority has something to say -- We're doing bike lanes. F the ops." That doesn't sound like just flipping off a sign. It's pretty clear that's how they feel about those who hold an opposing point of view from theirs. It's haughty, self-important and juvenile. And most of the commissioners are not juveniles.

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Anonymous wrote:Please no more scooters. They are the worst.

Well, no. Cars are the worst. If you object to people using scooters on the sidewalk, then you should support protected bike lanes for scooter users to use.

Sorry. If it has a motor, then it belongs with other motorized transportation.

So, on the sidewalk? With motorized wheelchairs?

Motorized wheelchairs don't tend to run down pedestrians. But I've seen scooters collide with pedestrians on sidewalks. Enough already!

You're right, we need protected bike lanes for scooter users to use. It will also reduce the number of drivers who run down pedestrians (and wheelchair users and scooter users and bicyclists and other motorists and parked cars and trees and bus shelters and houses and utility poles and traffic signals and stop signs and and and...), which is a far more significant problem.

The number of pedestrians who are run down by drivers is not much more than the number of Washingtonians who are eaten by great white sharks. The numbers are tiny.

What? No. In DC, just in 2023 through August 8, at least 397 pedestrians have been injured in car crashes (51 major injuries, 11 killed). Also injured in car crashes: at least 176 bicyclists (12 major injuries, 1 killed), 967 car passengers (44 major injuries, 6 killed), ~2,200 drivers (98 major injuries, 8 killed), and 178 "other" (3 motorcyclists and 2 scooter users killed).

Where? How many of these have been on Connecticut?

A crap load, actually. In the first four months of 2023, there have been forty-six reported crashes between Woodley Park and Chevy Chase DC — that’s one crash every 2.5 days.

46! Oh no! Whatever will we do?

We have 21,000 crimes so far this year, including 3,200 violent crimes.

What a ghoul you must be? A friend of mine in DC represents one of the major injuries to pedestrians. They were hit in the crosswalk, crossing on walk, by a driver who was turning right on red. Multiple broken bones, several days in the hospital, missed work (luckily they had sick leave they could use), physical therapy, still recovering mobility months later, bills - but sure, shark bites. Oh, and crime, can't forget crime.

And yet on another thread on this site, where people are complaining about DC having as many murders as Baltimore, and how there's an epidemic of black children shooting black children, you'll tell us how crime is overblown and rare and that's how cities are and if you don't like, move to the suburbs.

Racist.

Argue with yourself, if you want. Are murders a problem? Yes, murders are a problem - a very complicated one. Are traffic crashes a problem? Yes, traffic crashes are a problem - and we know how to prevent them, using multiple strategies, one of which is protected bike lanes.

Dress it up however you want, but it's rich white people from Ward 3 commandeering scarce public funds to subsidize their hobbies.

Bike lanes are not created for avid cyclists. Avid cyclists have no issue riding Conn Ave. Bike lanes are created for people who want it as a safe mode of transportation to get from one neighborhood to another to shop, go to school, etc.

Some background on cyclist typologies: https://blog.altaplanning.com/understanding-the-four-types-of-cyclists-112e1d2e9a1b

Long and short is the more separate and safer feeling the infrastructure, the larger the potential rider pool is.

A lot of wishful thinking here. Bikes only appeal to a very small demographic. Most people think it's a wildly impractical way of getting around, as evident by our scarcely used bike lanes.

The vast majority of people are mode-agnostic. They will choose the fastest/easiest/cheapest mode available. If biking becomes easier, more people bike. If driving becomes harder, people take metro, or buses or bike, etc...

We've had bike lanes in this city for 15 years. If it was going to catch on, it would have caught on by now.

It has caught on. Please stop driving. You can't see.

Oh it's this guy. The one whose only response to people pointing out that hardly anyone uses the bike lanes is to weirdly suggest that they can't see. You're also the person who likens white people from Ward 3 who love bikes who are hated by everyone but their mothers to African Americans suffering from racial discrimination, right? Your arguments are super bad and oh so tone deaf. Keep it up.

I'm not a "guy," and if you can't see people using bike lanes, you can't see. And if you can't see, you need to stop driving. When is the last time you took a vision test?

To be more charitable, the best bike routes are the ones most separated from car traffic so its possible that someone who only drives will miss a lot of the growth. A driver would miss anyone on a trail for instance. A cycle track on a less travelled road would also be almost invisible to the average driver. And lastly, bikes take up a whole lot less space and generate a lot less noise than cars moving the same number of people, so they will not be as in your face as cars.

Bigots need no charity.

Look, I just got off my bike ride to work on Connecticut Avenue not long ago, and I am a strong supporter of the bike lanes. But it is ridiculous to say you can be bigoted against people on bikes. Bigotry as virtually anyone understands the term is an irrational/blanket dislike of people for some characteristic or background of theirs — you can be bigoted against people of a certain sex, certain gender, certain religion, certain race, etc. You cannot be bigoted against cyclists. For one thing, if we want to avoid the pernicious effects of this "bigotry," all we have to do is... get off the bike.

People can dislike cyclists and cycling, definitely, but let's not take this unnecessary detour into suggesting that there's prejudice involved or that cyclists are in any way a protected class or an oppressed minority.

That's silly, PP. A person can be bigoted about anything. It doesn't have to be an immutable characteristic or protected class. You can be bigoted about Audi drivers (jerks), or people who like pineapple on their pizza (immature), or West Virginians (hicks), or Princeton graduates (snobs), or Taylor Swift superfans (poseurs), or orthopedic surgeons (narcissists), or ... There is simply no other description than bigotry for the beliefs of the poster who has carried this thread on for 330 pages of hating "cyclists."

Cyclists think they're being discriminated against? OMG

Did your ban just expire or did you find a VPN?

I’d also like to know where you read anyone claiming that they are being discriminated against.

However what I do see are posters calling you out for spreading malicious stereotypes about other groups of people, something which falls well within the dictionary definition of bigotry.

That you fail to be able to distinguish between the various different concepts is your own issue.

How MAGA of you. I'm sorry your hero is going to prison.

I assume that this is meant to be directed to the person posting alt-right cartoon strips.

White people who think they're the real victims are Trump's base.

Dumb boomers who still demand auto infrastructure at all costs while the world burns (hottest JULY in recorded history) and who get their nuts off in their disiel trucks rolling coal on cyclists and priuses voted for trump at a way higher rate.

I've never seen anyone in DC, rolling coal or not, in a diesel truck. This is so odd. It's almost as if they're entire policy ideology is based on trolling people in Mississippi.

As someone that neither lives in Mississippi nor cares about what people do in Mississippi this seems like a very stupid thing to base policy on.

The guy you're responding to is here all day every day. 90 percent of the posts on this thread were written by him. I think there's something wrong with him.

Don't misgender me.

Hi Commissioner!

I know this is hard for your privileged, white guy boomer mind to process, but Commisioner Gise doesn't even ride a bike, and probably hasn't nor will ever, visit DCUM.

Gise has done between zero and nothing for bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue. One vote in support did not outdo her idiotic middle finger.

Our local businesses are still struggling. Arrogant ANC commissioners literally flipping off a business with which they disagree on a policy issue and then Tweeting (X'ing?) the photo -- it's stupid and troubling.

Pretty sure they were flipping off the ANTI BIKE LANE SIGN in the window, not the business itself.

They arrogantly announced on social media that "The ANC 3C majority has something to say -- We're doing bike lanes. F the ops." That doesn't sound like just flipping off a sign. It's pretty clear that's how they feel about those who hold an opposing point of view from theirs. It's haughty, self-important and juvenile. And most of the commissioners are not juveniles.

Um.. the ops is represented by their ugly ass yellow sign with the giant No symbol on it. Which they were flipping off. 🤔 what's so hard to understand about this?

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this is why there needs to be changes on Ct Ave

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Comparing DC to Copenhagen is ridiculous.

They ride bikes because they live in the city and/or can’t afford cars. They have never been reliant on cars the way Americans are. We can’t flip a switch and change. Plus, people commute downtown via CT Ave from far flung burbs. Simply put: they cannot ride a bike 20+ miles to work.

I’m curious who will be the fall guy/sacrificial lamb when this fiasco becomes national news.

PS - Anyone figured out yet why Rosemary’s has outdoor seating in the street on CT Ave? Anyone else sick of sitting in traffic along that stretch as lanes merge?

I’m predicting an accident with a metro bus as it struggles to merge. I witness near misses all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing DC to Copenhagen is ridiculous.

They ride bikes because they live in the city and/or can’t afford cars. They have never been reliant on cars the way Americans are. We can’t flip a switch and change. Plus, people commute downtown via CT Ave from far flung burbs. Simply put: they cannot ride a bike 20+ miles to work.

I’m curious who will be the fall guy/sacrificial lamb when this fiasco becomes national news.

PS - Anyone figured out yet why Rosemary’s has outdoor seating in the street on CT Ave? Anyone else sick of sitting in traffic along that stretch as lanes merge?

I’m predicting an accident with a metro bus as it struggles to merge. I witness near misses all the time.

No, but we can change gradually by building more bike infrastructure.

Also, nobody is insisting that people ride a bike 20+ miles to work (though this actually can be done). There is an entire Metro system built with the purpose of getting people from far flung burbs to jobs downtown.

Speaking of the far flung burbs, remember when people along Old Georgetown Road insisted that the bike lanes were catastrophically dangerous, and then it turned out that the bike lanes actually made the road safer?

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing DC to Copenhagen is ridiculous.

They ride bikes because they live in the city and/or can’t afford cars. They have never been reliant on cars the way Americans are. We can’t flip a switch and change. Plus, people commute downtown via CT Ave from far flung burbs. Simply put: they cannot ride a bike 20+ miles to work.

I’m curious who will be the fall guy/sacrificial lamb when this fiasco becomes national news.

PS - Anyone figured out yet why Rosemary’s has outdoor seating in the street on CT Ave? Anyone else sick of sitting in traffic along that stretch as lanes merge?

I’m predicting an accident with a metro bus as it struggles to merge. I witness near misses all the time.

No, but we can change gradually by building more bike infrastructure.

Also, nobody is insisting that people ride a bike 20+ miles to work (though this actually can be done). There is an entire Metro system built with the purpose of getting people from far flung burbs to jobs downtown.

Speaking of the far flung burbs, remember when people along Old Georgetown Road insisted that the bike lanes were catastrophically dangerous, and then it turned out that the bike lanes actually made the road safer?

While also barely, imperceptibly impacting travel times, no less.

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Anonymous wrote:Please no more scooters. They are the worst.

Well, no. Cars are the worst. If you object to people using scooters on the sidewalk, then you should support protected bike lanes for scooter users to use.

Sorry. If it has a motor, then it belongs with other motorized transportation.

So, on the sidewalk? With motorized wheelchairs?

Motorized wheelchairs don't tend to run down pedestrians. But I've seen scooters collide with pedestrians on sidewalks. Enough already!

You're right, we need protected bike lanes for scooter users to use. It will also reduce the number of drivers who run down pedestrians (and wheelchair users and scooter users and bicyclists and other motorists and parked cars and trees and bus shelters and houses and utility poles and traffic signals and stop signs and and and...), which is a far more significant problem.

The number of pedestrians who are run down by drivers is not much more than the number of Washingtonians who are eaten by great white sharks. The numbers are tiny.

What? No. In DC, just in 2023 through August 8, at least 397 pedestrians have been injured in car crashes (51 major injuries, 11 killed). Also injured in car crashes: at least 176 bicyclists (12 major injuries, 1 killed), 967 car passengers (44 major injuries, 6 killed), ~2,200 drivers (98 major injuries, 8 killed), and 178 "other" (3 motorcyclists and 2 scooter users killed).

Where? How many of these have been on Connecticut?

A crap load, actually. In the first four months of 2023, there have been forty-six reported crashes between Woodley Park and Chevy Chase DC — that’s one crash every 2.5 days.

46! Oh no! Whatever will we do?

We have 21,000 crimes so far this year, including 3,200 violent crimes.

What a ghoul you must be? A friend of mine in DC represents one of the major injuries to pedestrians. They were hit in the crosswalk, crossing on walk, by a driver who was turning right on red. Multiple broken bones, several days in the hospital, missed work (luckily they had sick leave they could use), physical therapy, still recovering mobility months later, bills - but sure, shark bites. Oh, and crime, can't forget crime.

And yet on another thread on this site, where people are complaining about DC having as many murders as Baltimore, and how there's an epidemic of black children shooting black children, you'll tell us how crime is overblown and rare and that's how cities are and if you don't like, move to the suburbs.

Racist.

Argue with yourself, if you want. Are murders a problem? Yes, murders are a problem - a very complicated one. Are traffic crashes a problem? Yes, traffic crashes are a problem - and we know how to prevent them, using multiple strategies, one of which is protected bike lanes.

Dress it up however you want, but it's rich white people from Ward 3 commandeering scarce public funds to subsidize their hobbies.

Bike lanes are not created for avid cyclists. Avid cyclists have no issue riding Conn Ave. Bike lanes are created for people who want it as a safe mode of transportation to get from one neighborhood to another to shop, go to school, etc.

Some background on cyclist typologies: https://blog.altaplanning.com/understanding-the-four-types-of-cyclists-112e1d2e9a1b

Long and short is the more separate and safer feeling the infrastructure, the larger the potential rider pool is.

A lot of wishful thinking here. Bikes only appeal to a very small demographic. Most people think it's a wildly impractical way of getting around, as evident by our scarcely used bike lanes.

The vast majority of people are mode-agnostic. They will choose the fastest/easiest/cheapest mode available. If biking becomes easier, more people bike. If driving becomes harder, people take metro, or buses or bike, etc...

We've had bike lanes in this city for 15 years. If it was going to catch on, it would have caught on by now.

It has caught on. Please stop driving. You can't see.

Oh it's this guy. The one whose only response to people pointing out that hardly anyone uses the bike lanes is to weirdly suggest that they can't see. You're also the person who likens white people from Ward 3 who love bikes who are hated by everyone but their mothers to African Americans suffering from racial discrimination, right? Your arguments are super bad and oh so tone deaf. Keep it up.

I'm not a "guy," and if you can't see people using bike lanes, you can't see. And if you can't see, you need to stop driving. When is the last time you took a vision test?

To be more charitable, the best bike routes are the ones most separated from car traffic so its possible that someone who only drives will miss a lot of the growth. A driver would miss anyone on a trail for instance. A cycle track on a less travelled road would also be almost invisible to the average driver. And lastly, bikes take up a whole lot less space and generate a lot less noise than cars moving the same number of people, so they will not be as in your face as cars.

Bigots need no charity.

Look, I just got off my bike ride to work on Connecticut Avenue not long ago, and I am a strong supporter of the bike lanes. But it is ridiculous to say you can be bigoted against people on bikes. Bigotry as virtually anyone understands the term is an irrational/blanket dislike of people for some characteristic or background of theirs — you can be bigoted against people of a certain sex, certain gender, certain religion, certain race, etc. You cannot be bigoted against cyclists. For one thing, if we want to avoid the pernicious effects of this "bigotry," all we have to do is... get off the bike.

People can dislike cyclists and cycling, definitely, but let's not take this unnecessary detour into suggesting that there's prejudice involved or that cyclists are in any way a protected class or an oppressed minority.

That's silly, PP. A person can be bigoted about anything. It doesn't have to be an immutable characteristic or protected class. You can be bigoted about Audi drivers (jerks), or people who like pineapple on their pizza (immature), or West Virginians (hicks), or Princeton graduates (snobs), or Taylor Swift superfans (poseurs), or orthopedic surgeons (narcissists), or ... There is simply no other description than bigotry for the beliefs of the poster who has carried this thread on for 330 pages of hating "cyclists."

Cyclists think they're being discriminated against? OMG

Did your ban just expire or did you find a VPN?

I’d also like to know where you read anyone claiming that they are being discriminated against.

However what I do see are posters calling you out for spreading malicious stereotypes about other groups of people, something which falls well within the dictionary definition of bigotry.

That you fail to be able to distinguish between the various different concepts is your own issue.

How MAGA of you. I'm sorry your hero is going to prison.

I assume that this is meant to be directed to the person posting alt-right cartoon strips.

White people who think they're the real victims are Trump's base.

Dumb boomers who still demand auto infrastructure at all costs while the world burns (hottest JULY in recorded history) and who get their nuts off in their disiel trucks rolling coal on cyclists and priuses voted for trump at a way higher rate.

I've never seen anyone in DC, rolling coal or not, in a diesel truck. This is so odd. It's almost as if they're entire policy ideology is based on trolling people in Mississippi.

As someone that neither lives in Mississippi nor cares about what people do in Mississippi this seems like a very stupid thing to base policy on.

The guy you're responding to is here all day every day. 90 percent of the posts on this thread were written by him. I think there's something wrong with him.

Don't misgender me.

Hi Commissioner!

I know this is hard for your privileged, white guy boomer mind to process, but Commisioner Gise doesn't even ride a bike, and probably hasn't nor will ever, visit DCUM.

Gise has done between zero and nothing for bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue. One vote in support did not outdo her idiotic middle finger.

Our local businesses are still struggling. Arrogant ANC commissioners literally flipping off a business with which they disagree on a policy issue and then Tweeting (X'ing?) the photo -- it's stupid and troubling.

Pretty sure they were flipping off the ANTI BIKE LANE SIGN in the window, not the business itself.

Didn’t they try to shut down the business? Just what we need more empty store fronts.

LOL. You're a joke. How could five people "shut down the business" during the hours it's closed?

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This video camera study showed that less than 5% of people on bikes break traffic laws while riding, yet 66% of people do so when driving. And if you REALLY want even MORE bike-riders to obey laws, build more protected bike infrastructure.

In DENMARK.

If you want to go that route, I can I’m sure provide a study showing that drivers break fewer rules. It would be a study that takes place in Germany, but that’s fair, I guess.

I do agree that there should be protected lanes and whatever it takes to separate cars and bikes, sharing lanes is a stupid idea on any road with a speed limit >20mph. We should also install more bus pull off areas for loading and unloading to keep lanes moving.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing DC to Copenhagen is ridiculous.

They ride bikes because they live in the city and/or can’t afford cars. They have never been reliant on cars the way Americans are. We can’t flip a switch and change. Plus, people commute downtown via CT Ave from far flung burbs. Simply put: they cannot ride a bike 20+ miles to work.

I’m curious who will be the fall guy/sacrificial lamb when this fiasco becomes national news.

PS - Anyone figured out yet why Rosemary’s has outdoor seating in the street on CT Ave? Anyone else sick of sitting in traffic along that stretch as lanes merge?

I’m predicting an accident with a metro bus as it struggles to merge. I witness near misses all the time.

No, but we can change gradually by building more bike infrastructure.

Also, nobody is insisting that people ride a bike 20+ miles to work (though this actually can be done). There is an entire Metro system built with the purpose of getting people from far flung burbs to jobs downtown.

Speaking of the far flung burbs, remember when people along Old Georgetown Road insisted that the bike lanes were catastrophically dangerous, and then it turned out that the bike lanes actually made the road safer?

I don't think you realize how many people commute from Montgomery County and beyond. I've been commuting downtown for 25 years. I do not live near metro...lots of people live far from the end of the lines in Shady Grove or (crime ridden) Glenmont. Nobody is driving 30 mins to metro, paying to park, then paying to ride metro. Ridership is down dramatically from when I used to metro downtown. It's cheaper and easier to drive and park downtown. It's also safer.

Having commuted downtown for decades along GA or CT Ave, I can report cyclists are few and far between. The reality is there are very few people who commute by bikes. What on earth makes decisionmakers believe the masses will purchase bikes and all of a sudden be physically equipped to ride a bike to work???

I have not one, but two, colleagues who are longtime cyclists (think: travel abroad for cycling vacations). As they aged, they got wobbly and accident prone as is backed up by research. Long story short: both suffered serious accidents commuting to work in DC. These were people who commuted to work by bike for several decades. Both ended up in the hospital. Cars weren't involved...age was a factor.

I'm curious just how many bikes are envisioned for this new plan? If I see 2 or 3 people on bikes during my 90 minute rush hour commute down CT Ave,are the new lanes for them...for those 3 people? Or are you imagining dozens of people? Hundreds?

This is a delusional plan that will create accidents and gridlock.

Why didn't they redesign side streets to create safer bike lanes instead of creating more traffic on CT Ave?

And can somebody for the love of God please do something about Rosemary's seating in the street??? There is a daily back-up created by the merge that typically lasts 20 mins starting several blocks north. Why on earth haven't they cleared it up?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/

This video camera study showed that less than 5% of people on bikes break traffic laws while riding, yet 66% of people do so when driving. And if you REALLY want even MORE bike-riders to obey laws, build more protected bike infrastructure.

In DENMARK.

If you want to go that route, I can I’m sure provide a study showing that drivers break fewer rules. It would be a study that takes place in Germany, but that’s fair, I guess.

I do agree that there should be protected lanes and whatever it takes to separate cars and bikes, sharing lanes is a stupid idea on any road with a speed limit >20mph. We should also install more bus pull off areas for loading and unloading to keep lanes moving.

Until then, can we enforce the laws???

I can't tell you how many people park illegally on CT Ave during morning rush to run into Starbucks and drop off kids at the daycare center on the northbound side of CT (they park illegally on the southbound/inbound DC side of CT Ave). When people abruptly stop and park on CT Ave during the morning rush hour, it's dangerous and it creates traffic as we lose the lane and folks must merge.