Involuntary Lethal Injections

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/10/decarlos-brown-criminal-history/86065854007/

"His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.

"Officers advised Brown that the issue was a medical issue and that there was nothing further they could do," a police report says. "Brown became upset with officers' answers and with officers still on scene, called 911 to speak with police."

Officers then arrested him on a charge of misuse of 911.

A judge later released him without bail. In July, a different judge agreed with a defense attorney's request to have Brown mentally evaluated for competency to understand the court proceedings he faced. It's unclear whether Brown was evaluated before Zarutska's killing on the light rail."

Lot of missing details here (had he wandered into the hospital to have this "manmade material" taken care of? Was he registered as a patient at any point? Or was he just viewed as a disruption for police to handle? No bail for the 911 misuse charge would be reasonable standing on its own, and I suppose that happened during one of those hearings where a judge is dealing with a huge mass of people with a wide range of charges.

"Brown’s mother told local television she sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment this year after he became violent at home. Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia.

But experts say involuntary commitments are often difficult to obtain. A court must find someone to be a danger to themself or others. Once someone is stabilized, they generally are free to leave."

This is a bit misleading. You can be placed on a hold without a hearing first (hospital has to notify the court), and that may well lead to discharge if someone is stabilized AND if the hospital is satisfied the danger has passed. Otherwise there is a hearing and a judge will typically order something like 14 days for evaluation, with a review after that time. Psych patients often end up boarding in hospitals for weeks or months if they need continued care and no placement is available.

FWIW where I live, several years ago they institute a protocol to have a psychiatric nurse screen anyone who is thought to present with mental health issues or whom they know is on psych meds. The idea is to make things more seamless between law enforcement and the mental health system. It had impressive results in terms of reducing both emergency psychiatric hospital visits and arrest/incarceration rates.

When his own mother said he shouldn't be on the streets - he shouldn't be on the streets.
Judges need to consider the danger to the public these people pose. Sick of the only focus being on the mental health of the criminal.

Fair enough. What policies is Trump advancing through Congress to manage homelessness? I’m not aware of any.

Still waiting for someone to point to Trump’s policy prescription for addressing homelessness.

It wouldn’t matter. You all would fight him on that too. The liberals in DC have hardly been happy about the clean up of homeless camps.

The "clean up" you refer to just means that instead of homeless people camping together in a more central location, they are pushed into other areas of the city (and perhaps the suburbs?). It's not like you can just tear down their tents and the homeless just "poof" disappear.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/10/decarlos-brown-criminal-history/86065854007/

"His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.

"Officers advised Brown that the issue was a medical issue and that there was nothing further they could do," a police report says. "Brown became upset with officers' answers and with officers still on scene, called 911 to speak with police."

Officers then arrested him on a charge of misuse of 911.

A judge later released him without bail. In July, a different judge agreed with a defense attorney's request to have Brown mentally evaluated for competency to understand the court proceedings he faced. It's unclear whether Brown was evaluated before Zarutska's killing on the light rail."

Lot of missing details here (had he wandered into the hospital to have this "manmade material" taken care of? Was he registered as a patient at any point? Or was he just viewed as a disruption for police to handle? No bail for the 911 misuse charge would be reasonable standing on its own, and I suppose that happened during one of those hearings where a judge is dealing with a huge mass of people with a wide range of charges.

"Brown’s mother told local television she sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment this year after he became violent at home. Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia.

But experts say involuntary commitments are often difficult to obtain. A court must find someone to be a danger to themself or others. Once someone is stabilized, they generally are free to leave."

This is a bit misleading. You can be placed on a hold without a hearing first (hospital has to notify the court), and that may well lead to discharge if someone is stabilized AND if the hospital is satisfied the danger has passed. Otherwise there is a hearing and a judge will typically order something like 14 days for evaluation, with a review after that time. Psych patients often end up boarding in hospitals for weeks or months if they need continued care and no placement is available.

FWIW where I live, several years ago they institute a protocol to have a psychiatric nurse screen anyone who is thought to present with mental health issues or whom they know is on psych meds. The idea is to make things more seamless between law enforcement and the mental health system. It had impressive results in terms of reducing both emergency psychiatric hospital visits and arrest/incarceration rates.

When his own mother said he shouldn't be on the streets - he shouldn't be on the streets.
Judges need to consider the danger to the public these people pose. Sick of the only focus being on the mental health of the criminal.

Fair enough. What policies is Trump advancing through Congress to manage homelessness? I’m not aware of any.

Still waiting for someone to point to Trump’s policy prescription for addressing homelessness.

It wouldn’t matter. You all would fight him on that too. The liberals in DC have hardly been happy about the clean up of homeless camps.

The "clean up" you refer to just means that instead of homeless people camping together in a more central location, they are pushed into other areas of the city (and perhaps the suburbs?). It's not like you can just tear down their tents and the homeless just "poof" disappear.

Right. And the areas they are pushed to are often more heavily populated. I'm all for looser rules for institutionalization of mentally ill people, which many homeless people are.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/10/decarlos-brown-criminal-history/86065854007/

"His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.

"Officers advised Brown that the issue was a medical issue and that there was nothing further they could do," a police report says. "Brown became upset with officers' answers and with officers still on scene, called 911 to speak with police."

Officers then arrested him on a charge of misuse of 911.

A judge later released him without bail. In July, a different judge agreed with a defense attorney's request to have Brown mentally evaluated for competency to understand the court proceedings he faced. It's unclear whether Brown was evaluated before Zarutska's killing on the light rail."

Lot of missing details here (had he wandered into the hospital to have this "manmade material" taken care of? Was he registered as a patient at any point? Or was he just viewed as a disruption for police to handle? No bail for the 911 misuse charge would be reasonable standing on its own, and I suppose that happened during one of those hearings where a judge is dealing with a huge mass of people with a wide range of charges.

"Brown’s mother told local television she sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment this year after he became violent at home. Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia.

But experts say involuntary commitments are often difficult to obtain. A court must find someone to be a danger to themself or others. Once someone is stabilized, they generally are free to leave."

This is a bit misleading. You can be placed on a hold without a hearing first (hospital has to notify the court), and that may well lead to discharge if someone is stabilized AND if the hospital is satisfied the danger has passed. Otherwise there is a hearing and a judge will typically order something like 14 days for evaluation, with a review after that time. Psych patients often end up boarding in hospitals for weeks or months if they need continued care and no placement is available.

FWIW where I live, several years ago they institute a protocol to have a psychiatric nurse screen anyone who is thought to present with mental health issues or whom they know is on psych meds. The idea is to make things more seamless between law enforcement and the mental health system. It had impressive results in terms of reducing both emergency psychiatric hospital visits and arrest/incarceration rates.

When his own mother said he shouldn't be on the streets - he shouldn't be on the streets.
Judges need to consider the danger to the public these people pose. Sick of the only focus being on the mental health of the criminal.

Fair enough. What policies is Trump advancing through Congress to manage homelessness? I’m not aware of any.

Still waiting for someone to point to Trump’s policy prescription for addressing homelessness.

It wouldn’t matter. You all would fight him on that too. The liberals in DC have hardly been happy about the clean up of homeless camps.

The "clean up" you refer to just means that instead of homeless people camping together in a more central location, they are pushed into other areas of the city (and perhaps the suburbs?). It's not like you can just tear down their tents and the homeless just "poof" disappear.

They have moved out into the suburbs. I live in DC and work in Howard county MD. The number of homeless people has dramatically increased since the crackdown in DC.

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He should resign. He has no place in society as a commentator or media figure.

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Hey instead of murdering mentally ill people, why not fix our healthcare system so insurance isn’t tied to employment?!

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He should resign. He has no place in society as a commentator or media figure.

He'll be gone soon enough. The old fox audience has one foot in the grave already and when nobody is left to watch that ugliness, it will be gone.

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If he isn't fired, then MAGA can go F itself with their whining about people not mourning Kirk or pointing out his hatefulness. F them and their double standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey instead of murdering mentally ill people, why not fix our healthcare system so insurance isn’t tied to employment?!

Unemployed people without financial assets get Medicaid

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/10/decarlos-brown-criminal-history/86065854007/

"His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.

"Officers advised Brown that the issue was a medical issue and that there was nothing further they could do," a police report says. "Brown became upset with officers' answers and with officers still on scene, called 911 to speak with police."

Officers then arrested him on a charge of misuse of 911.

A judge later released him without bail. In July, a different judge agreed with a defense attorney's request to have Brown mentally evaluated for competency to understand the court proceedings he faced. It's unclear whether Brown was evaluated before Zarutska's killing on the light rail."

Lot of missing details here (had he wandered into the hospital to have this "manmade material" taken care of? Was he registered as a patient at any point? Or was he just viewed as a disruption for police to handle? No bail for the 911 misuse charge would be reasonable standing on its own, and I suppose that happened during one of those hearings where a judge is dealing with a huge mass of people with a wide range of charges.

"Brown’s mother told local television she sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment this year after he became violent at home. Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia.

But experts say involuntary commitments are often difficult to obtain. A court must find someone to be a danger to themself or others. Once someone is stabilized, they generally are free to leave."

This is a bit misleading. You can be placed on a hold without a hearing first (hospital has to notify the court), and that may well lead to discharge if someone is stabilized AND if the hospital is satisfied the danger has passed. Otherwise there is a hearing and a judge will typically order something like 14 days for evaluation, with a review after that time. Psych patients often end up boarding in hospitals for weeks or months if they need continued care and no placement is available.

FWIW where I live, several years ago they institute a protocol to have a psychiatric nurse screen anyone who is thought to present with mental health issues or whom they know is on psych meds. The idea is to make things more seamless between law enforcement and the mental health system. It had impressive results in terms of reducing both emergency psychiatric hospital visits and arrest/incarceration rates.

When his own mother said he shouldn't be on the streets - he shouldn't be on the streets.
Judges need to consider the danger to the public these people pose. Sick of the only focus being on the mental health of the criminal.

That's just one piece of the problem. Misuse of 911 is hardly an offense that's going to keep you in jail for any length of time. As I posted to begin with, his initial release was probably in a mass hearing where they are trying to work through the docket efficiently. Prosecutor would have to have the time to fully review his history and investigate the details of the 911 event to begin with. And there wouldn't be much jail time for the offense, it would be time served and unsupervised probation. Next judge ordered mental health eval which appears not to have happened, but we don't know the mechanics ofhow that was supposed to occur. We don't know what steps the mom took to seek hospitalization or how whatever part of the system she approached responded.

A focus on mental health IS a focus on safety, but it has to be carried out.

You can't just blame the judges.

What's missing is compassionate mental health institutionalization.

There is a class of people who are dangerous when left to their own devices but can be safe in a controlled environment. American prisons are uncivilized, especially mental illness wards. So we are left with absurd choice of "torture or kill a sick person" or "wait for the sick person to kill someone else or themselves".


https://www.newsweek.com/teresa-stokes-charlotte-judge-decarlos-brown-jr-2126808

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Anonymous wrote:These guys are going to be fired right? Advocating for prison and involuntary lethal injections for the homeless who do not accept assistance? This is a real insight into MAGA.


https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-friends/fox-news-host-mentally-ill-people-who-commit-crimes-just-kill-them

No one bats an eye at this and yet Matthew Dowd and others were fired for repeating Kirk's words.

Kilmeade just made some "whoopsie, homeless people are okay too I guess!" remarks, but he still has a job and nobody on the right is calling for punishment of any kind. Really just goes to show you that Democrats are held to high standards and Republicans are held to absolutely no standards.

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Coincidence?