Involuntary Lethal Injections

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He was referring to the monster that brutally stabbed the young Ukranian woman on the train.
I agree that he should get the death penalty.

No, he was not.
Listen to the entire conversation. It started with talking about the Charlotte murderer, but had shifted to the more-general problem of mentally ill homeless who refused help. He did not sound sarcastic, and he definitely said “them.”

[Anonymous]

Asking for a friend. It’s horrible this woman was killed - truly. This shouldn’t happen.

By why is MAga so bothered by this when Trump allows Ukranians to die every day at the hands of Putin and this is okay? Seems like people would be more outraged over Trump’s complete and obvious subservience to Putin. Trump is useless

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Involuntary lethal injection is a rebrand of murder.

It’s a rebrand of Nazism. That’s what it is. Kilmeade is this close to using the term “undesirable” 🤏🏼

Yes, Nazis systematically murdered people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was referring to the monster that brutally stabbed the young Ukranian woman on the train.
I agree that he should get the death penalty.

He said to kill homeless people if they don't cooperate. That monster killer on the train is a homicidal lunatic. That is certainly not most homeless people. Most homeless people are more likely to be victims of a homicide than to commit homicide.

Correct.

[Anonymous]

It's quite telling that this thread has 33 replies but Charlie Kirk's has 400+. Come on MAGA, we're waiting for you to denounce this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/10/decarlos-brown-criminal-history/86065854007/

"His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.

"Officers advised Brown that the issue was a medical issue and that there was nothing further they could do," a police report says. "Brown became upset with officers' answers and with officers still on scene, called 911 to speak with police."

Officers then arrested him on a charge of misuse of 911.

A judge later released him without bail. In July, a different judge agreed with a defense attorney's request to have Brown mentally evaluated for competency to understand the court proceedings he faced. It's unclear whether Brown was evaluated before Zarutska's killing on the light rail."

Lot of missing details here (had he wandered into the hospital to have this "manmade material" taken care of? Was he registered as a patient at any point? Or was he just viewed as a disruption for police to handle? No bail for the 911 misuse charge would be reasonable standing on its own, and I suppose that happened during one of those hearings where a judge is dealing with a huge mass of people with a wide range of charges.

"Brown’s mother told local television she sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment this year after he became violent at home. Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia.

But experts say involuntary commitments are often difficult to obtain. A court must find someone to be a danger to themself or others. Once someone is stabilized, they generally are free to leave."

This is a bit misleading. You can be placed on a hold without a hearing first (hospital has to notify the court), and that may well lead to discharge if someone is stabilized AND if the hospital is satisfied the danger has passed. Otherwise there is a hearing and a judge will typically order something like 14 days for evaluation, with a review after that time. Psych patients often end up boarding in hospitals for weeks or months if they need continued care and no placement is available.

FWIW where I live, several years ago they institute a protocol to have a psychiatric nurse screen anyone who is thought to present with mental health issues or whom they know is on psych meds. The idea is to make things more seamless between law enforcement and the mental health system. It had impressive results in terms of reducing both emergency psychiatric hospital visits and arrest/incarceration rates.

When his own mother said he shouldn't be on the streets - he shouldn't be on the streets.
Judges need to consider the danger to the public these people pose. Sick of the only focus being on the mental health of the criminal.

That's just one piece of the problem. Misuse of 911 is hardly an offense that's going to keep you in jail for any length of time. As I posted to begin with, his initial release was probably in a mass hearing where they are trying to work through the docket efficiently. Prosecutor would have to have the time to fully review his history and investigate the details of the 911 event to begin with. And there wouldn't be much jail time for the offense, it would be time served and unsupervised probation. Next judge ordered mental health eval which appears not to have happened, but we don't know the mechanics ofhow that was supposed to occur. We don't know what steps the mom took to seek hospitalization or how whatever part of the system she approached responded.

A focus on mental health IS a focus on safety, but it has to be carried out.

You can't just blame the judges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/10/decarlos-brown-criminal-history/86065854007/

"His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.

"Officers advised Brown that the issue was a medical issue and that there was nothing further they could do," a police report says. "Brown became upset with officers' answers and with officers still on scene, called 911 to speak with police."

Officers then arrested him on a charge of misuse of 911.

A judge later released him without bail. In July, a different judge agreed with a defense attorney's request to have Brown mentally evaluated for competency to understand the court proceedings he faced. It's unclear whether Brown was evaluated before Zarutska's killing on the light rail."

Lot of missing details here (had he wandered into the hospital to have this "manmade material" taken care of? Was he registered as a patient at any point? Or was he just viewed as a disruption for police to handle? No bail for the 911 misuse charge would be reasonable standing on its own, and I suppose that happened during one of those hearings where a judge is dealing with a huge mass of people with a wide range of charges.

"Brown’s mother told local television she sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment this year after he became violent at home. Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia.

But experts say involuntary commitments are often difficult to obtain. A court must find someone to be a danger to themself or others. Once someone is stabilized, they generally are free to leave."

This is a bit misleading. You can be placed on a hold without a hearing first (hospital has to notify the court), and that may well lead to discharge if someone is stabilized AND if the hospital is satisfied the danger has passed. Otherwise there is a hearing and a judge will typically order something like 14 days for evaluation, with a review after that time. Psych patients often end up boarding in hospitals for weeks or months if they need continued care and no placement is available.

FWIW where I live, several years ago they institute a protocol to have a psychiatric nurse screen anyone who is thought to present with mental health issues or whom they know is on psych meds. The idea is to make things more seamless between law enforcement and the mental health system. It had impressive results in terms of reducing both emergency psychiatric hospital visits and arrest/incarceration rates.

When his own mother said he shouldn't be on the streets - he shouldn't be on the streets.
Judges need to consider the danger to the public these people pose. Sick of the only focus being on the mental health of the criminal.

Fair enough. What policies is Trump advancing through Congress to manage homelessness? I’m not aware of any.

Still waiting for someone to point to Trump’s policy prescription for addressing homelessness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/10/decarlos-brown-criminal-history/86065854007/

"His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.

"Officers advised Brown that the issue was a medical issue and that there was nothing further they could do," a police report says. "Brown became upset with officers' answers and with officers still on scene, called 911 to speak with police."

Officers then arrested him on a charge of misuse of 911.

A judge later released him without bail. In July, a different judge agreed with a defense attorney's request to have Brown mentally evaluated for competency to understand the court proceedings he faced. It's unclear whether Brown was evaluated before Zarutska's killing on the light rail."

Lot of missing details here (had he wandered into the hospital to have this "manmade material" taken care of? Was he registered as a patient at any point? Or was he just viewed as a disruption for police to handle? No bail for the 911 misuse charge would be reasonable standing on its own, and I suppose that happened during one of those hearings where a judge is dealing with a huge mass of people with a wide range of charges.

"Brown’s mother told local television she sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment this year after he became violent at home. Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia.

But experts say involuntary commitments are often difficult to obtain. A court must find someone to be a danger to themself or others. Once someone is stabilized, they generally are free to leave."

This is a bit misleading. You can be placed on a hold without a hearing first (hospital has to notify the court), and that may well lead to discharge if someone is stabilized AND if the hospital is satisfied the danger has passed. Otherwise there is a hearing and a judge will typically order something like 14 days for evaluation, with a review after that time. Psych patients often end up boarding in hospitals for weeks or months if they need continued care and no placement is available.

FWIW where I live, several years ago they institute a protocol to have a psychiatric nurse screen anyone who is thought to present with mental health issues or whom they know is on psych meds. The idea is to make things more seamless between law enforcement and the mental health system. It had impressive results in terms of reducing both emergency psychiatric hospital visits and arrest/incarceration rates.

When his own mother said he shouldn't be on the streets - he shouldn't be on the streets.
Judges need to consider the danger to the public these people pose. Sick of the only focus being on the mental health of the criminal.

Fair enough. What policies is Trump advancing through Congress to manage homelessness? I’m not aware of any.

Still waiting for someone to point to Trump’s policy prescription for addressing homelessness.

It wouldn’t matter. You all would fight him on that too. The liberals in DC have hardly been happy about the clean up of homeless camps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's quite telling that this thread has 33 replies but Charlie Kirk's has 400+. Come on MAGA, we're waiting for you to denounce this.

They’re not going to denounce anything their side does no matter how heinous. It’s a cult. In their cult, empathy is weakness and antisocial behavior is never wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He was referring to the monster that brutally stabbed the young Ukranian woman on the train.
I agree that he should get the death penalty.

But you at least believe no one should receive the death penalty without due process and finding of guilt in a court of law?

I still think you are a ghoul if you believe in the death penalty, but please confirm you don't support what these evil people are saying.

Good Lord.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's quite telling that this thread has 33 replies but Charlie Kirk's has 400+. Come on MAGA, we're waiting for you to denounce this.

They’re not going to denounce anything their side does no matter how heinous. It’s a cult. In their cult, empathy is weakness and antisocial behavior is never wrong.

let's be clear here: they believe you can do whatever you want to "lefties", liberals, and Democrats. You as much as speak out about someone on the right, they get to harass and kill you. If someone on the right tells lies, harasses or kills a lib, that's all good with them. That's God's work, man.

MAGA = True evil.

[Anonymous]

We need more mental health courts AND sufficient in-patient and out-patient treatment facilities plus housing and supportive services/case management.

It admittedly takes a lot of resources to help people AND keep communities safe, but it tends to be the most cost-effective and safe approach.

The fact that some people are suggesting barbaric measures to deal with complex societal issues is shocking. You might expect this under the Taliban, but we absolutely cannot remotely entertain such absurd brutality…and illegal measures.

This is still America, and people—all people, even those with issues—are entitled to basic protections dictated by the rule of law.

God help us if America continues down this dangerous path of over-reaction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was referring to the monster that brutally stabbed the young Ukranian woman on the train.
I agree that he should get the death penalty.

He said to kill homeless people if they don't cooperate. That monster killer on the train is a homicidal lunatic. That is certainly not most homeless people. Most homeless people are more likely to be victims of a homicide than to commit homicide.

Look - he was sarcastically referring to the monster who had been arrested 14 times prior to his killing this young woman and was let out on the streets every. Single. Time. At some point we, as a society, need to stop being so concerned about the mental health of these insane criminals and worry more about their affect on public safety. You and I both know he should have never been on the streets. Hell - his own family even knew that. But authorities were willing to risk the safety of millions of people because they apparently felt sorry for this monster.

He left prison in 2020 after serving his sentence. What do you mean he was “let out?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's quite telling that this thread has 33 replies but Charlie Kirk's has 400+. Come on MAGA, we're waiting for you to denounce this.

They’re not going to denounce anything their side does no matter how heinous. It’s a cult. In their cult, empathy is weakness and antisocial behavior is never wrong.

let's be clear here: they believe you can do whatever you want to "lefties", liberals, and Democrats. You as much as speak out about someone on the right, they get to harass and kill you. If someone on the right tells lies, harasses or kills a lib, that's all good with them. That's God's work, man.

MAGA = True evil.

What’s worse is we have a sitting President spouting this hate! It’s truly unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's quite telling that this thread has 33 replies but Charlie Kirk's has 400+. Come on MAGA, we're waiting for you to denounce this.

They’re not going to denounce anything their side does no matter how heinous. It’s a cult. In their cult, empathy is weakness and antisocial behavior is never wrong.

let's be clear here: they believe you can do whatever you want to "lefties", liberals, and Democrats. You as much as speak out about someone on the right, they get to harass and kill you. If someone on the right tells lies, harasses or kills a lib, that's all good with them. That's God's work, man.

MAGA = True evil.

What’s worse is we have a sitting President spouting this hate! It’s truly unbelievable.

Not really. There are a lot of Americans that agree and love what he’s doing. They voted for him three times.