Traveling to Israel (Tel Aviv)

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And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised that your work would send you to a country with significant safety risks (I say this as a Jew who has been to Israel). I know people who were there this summer during the bombings and were stuck and it was a horrific experience. Is the trip truly necessary? If so, I agree with the advice around avoiding public transport, crowded markets, etc. Will you have a local to help guide you? Israel is a very special and beautiful place, but I can't say I'd go right now...

Was this written 20 years ago? You do not have to avoid public transportation or crowded markets. Probably safer in crowds there than you are in the US.

Ummmm… ok? So you need to make sure your hotel has a bomb shelter on every floor but everything else is perfectly safe? Gotcha. I’d avoid those things but have at it next time you go.

The currently risks almost are exclusively due to missile and drone activity from nearby countries / terrorist organizations, not suicide bombers or mass shootings, which were way more common decades ago.

Those aerial attacks only rarely cause actual damage anywhere, the risk is so small it's of essentially no practical concern.

They rarely cause loss of life because every new building has a bomb shelter. They cause plenty of damage. And sadly loss of life in poor areas with old buildings without shelters. But OP will be fine in a modern hotel in Tel Aviv.

I wouldn't assume safety anywhere in Israel these days. I assume OP's trip would entail more than hunkering down in a bomb shelter in a hotel.

This shows how little you know.

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Anonymous wrote:If you would not go to Israel, would you go to China? What they are going to the Uyghurs is pretty terrible.

No, no, you can't point out that other parts of the world have their own issues. You must keep the focus on how naughty Israel is for defending itself so vigorously. Only anti-Israel blather is permitted here, haven't you noticed?

To answer your question, no, I have no interest in going to China either. But the genocide (and that is the correct word) that Israel is carrying out on the Palestinians at this moment is without parallel. It is very sad that you lack the moral ability to comprehend that. The rest of the world thankfully does. Here in Europe, and around the civilized world, there is much more recognition of the atrocities that Israel is committing. It’s only the US media, and Americans in general, that turn a blind eye.

I actually think the world is turning a blind eye to what is happening to the Uyghurs because it would be inconvenient to think about boycotting Chinese products. No one is talking about it - there is forced sterilization, forced labor programs, forced assimilation, forced family separations. I am not boycotting Chinese products either so I am not innocent here - but it is crazy to me that no one seems to care.

Well OK, I wouldn’t want to take a business trip to Urumqi or Beijing either, but you’re deflecting. This thread is about Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:If you would not go to Israel, would you go to China? What they are going to the Uyghurs is pretty terrible.

No, no, you can't point out that other parts of the world have their own issues. You must keep the focus on how naughty Israel is for defending itself so vigorously. Only anti-Israel blather is permitted here, haven't you noticed?

Assad is a war criminal, no doubt about it. But the scale was not even close to the same as what Netanyahu is doing, and also not genocide as it was directed against his own people.

To answer your question, no, I have no interest in going to China either. But the genocide (and that is the correct word) that Israel is carrying out on the Palestinians at this moment is without parallel. It is very sad that you lack the moral ability to comprehend that. The rest of the world thankfully does. Here in Europe, and around the civilized world, there is much more recognition of the atrocities that Israel is committing. It’s only the US media, and Americans in general, that turn a blind eye.

I hope you shared the same concern for what Assad did to his own people. “Without parallel” - you are too funny.

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Anonymous wrote:And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

The Israelis are the terrorists. They have indiscriminately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Have you no shame?

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Anonymous wrote:If you would not go to Israel, would you go to China? What they are going to the Uyghurs is pretty terrible.

No, no, you can't point out that other parts of the world have their own issues. You must keep the focus on how naughty Israel is for defending itself so vigorously. Only anti-Israel blather is permitted here, haven't you noticed?

To answer your question, no, I have no interest in going to China either. But the genocide (and that is the correct word) that Israel is carrying out on the Palestinians at this moment is without parallel. It is very sad that you lack the moral ability to comprehend that. The rest of the world thankfully does. Here in Europe, and around the civilized world, there is much more recognition of the atrocities that Israel is committing. It’s only the US media, and Americans in general, that turn a blind eye.

I hope you shared the same concern for what Assad did to his own people. “Without parallel” - you are too funny.

Without a doubt, Assad is a war criminal. But the scale was not the same, and as it was directed against his own people, it also was not genocide. Israel is in a league of its own since the Nazis … ironic isn’t it?

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Anonymous wrote:And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

The Israelis are the terrorists. They have indiscriminately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Have you no shame?

Yeah, anyone who'd voluntarily go to Israel right now and pretend it's a country that you'd voluntarily want to do business with is a slimeball with no conscience.

The Israeli Jews can't have it both ways: either they are wantonly murdering Palestinians because they are responding to an existential threat or they are doing so because they are land-thirsty child killers who want to engage in ethnic cleansing. If it's the former, then Israel can't possibly be seen as safe; if it's the latter, then they truly are the Nazis of the 21st Century.

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Anonymous wrote:And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

The Israelis are the terrorists. They have indiscriminately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Have you no shame?

Yeah, anyone who'd voluntarily go to Israel right now and pretend it's a country that you'd voluntarily want to do business with is a slimeball with no conscience.

The Israeli Jews can't have it both ways: either they are wantonly murdering Palestinians because they are responding to an existential threat or they are doing so because they are land-thirsty child killers who want to engage in ethnic cleansing. If it's the former, then Israel can't possibly be seen as safe; if it's the latter, then they truly are the Nazis of the 21st Century.

Well put.

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Anonymous wrote:And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

The Israelis are the terrorists. They have indiscriminately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Have you no shame?

Yeah, anyone who'd voluntarily go to Israel right now and pretend it's a country that you'd voluntarily want to do business with is a slimeball with no conscience.

The Israeli Jews can't have it both ways: either they are wantonly murdering Palestinians because they are responding to an existential threat or they are doing so because they are land-thirsty child killers who want to engage in ethnic cleansing. If it's the former, then Israel can't possibly be seen as safe; if it's the latter, then they truly are the Nazis of the 21st Century.

Well put.

I think you meant that NETANYAHU can't have it both ways. The majority of Israeli Jews are appalled at what's happening. Just like there are plenty of americans who don't support Trump's policies.

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Anonymous wrote:And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

The Israelis are the terrorists. They have indiscriminately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Have you no shame?

You are uneducated. It's self defense. Read the hamas charter and report back - literally.

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Anonymous wrote:And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

The Israelis are the terrorists. They have indiscriminately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Have you no shame?

Yeah, anyone who'd voluntarily go to Israel right now and pretend it's a country that you'd voluntarily want to do business with is a slimeball with no conscience.

The Israeli Jews can't have it both ways: either they are wantonly murdering Palestinians because they are responding to an existential threat or they are doing so because they are land-thirsty child killers who want to engage in ethnic cleansing. If it's the former, then Israel can't possibly be seen as safe; if it's the latter, then they truly are the Nazis of the 21st Century.

Well put.

I think you meant that NETANYAHU can't have it both ways. The majority of Israeli Jews are appalled at what's happening. Just like there are plenty of americans who don't support Trump's policies.

The majority of Israelis want the Palestinians pacified and the hostages returned. Some disagree with the PM's approach to getting those goals accomplished, but there's virtual unanimity with respect to wanting them achieved. Don't mistake a robust democratic political system for a lack of consensus around what is needed to ensure the country's future security.

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Anonymous wrote:And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

The Israelis are the terrorists. They have indiscriminately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Have you no shame?

You are uneducated. It's self defense. Read the hamas charter and report back - literally.

No, you are an indoctrinated right wing bigot who supports a regime that commits genocide, kills innocent civilians including children, indiscriminately bombs third countries like Qatar, and on and on it goes. You are morally reprehensible. Israel does not get to do whatever it wants in the name of “self defense” after locking innocent people in open air prisons where it can systematically kill them in order to expand its Lebensraum. You are a hateful ignoramous.

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Anonymous wrote:And the pro-Palestinian know-nothings emerge again.... It's dangerous! It's genocide! Nazis!

Its perfectly safe. You have more risk of getting hit by a car in a crosswalk, same as anywhere, than of being injured due to terrorism within Israel. Israel knows how to deal with terrorists, as should now be abundantly obvious.

The Israelis are the terrorists. They have indiscriminately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Have you no shame?

You are uneducated. It's self defense. Read the hamas charter and report back - literally.

Again, if you really believe that Israel is compelled to commit a genocide by its need for self-defense, you don't want to be traveling to Israel now. At any point, there could be an alliance among traditional enemies in the region to try and wipe Israel off the map or at least inflict some significant damage.