Engineering + Pre-Med

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

I think it’d be a straight up lie to suggest this is the norm. Yes, top departments often require harder, unusual, theoretical, and more winding paths than most departments; doesn’t make it a norm. You don’t need it as a chemical engineer; it wouldn’t make sense for someone to hire an engineer to do org chem when you can hire really any chem grad on the block, who will be better and more trained to do so.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I didn't take orgo or quantum.

- ME[/quote]
+1, I’m not even sure why you’d need either. [/quote]

You would not need orgo for mechE of course not but quantum is required for mechE and materials E at DC’s school and other top ones too. It is a sophomore course along with thermodynamics, considered basic. Some on here are either very old or very narrow minded engineers. [/quote]
Name a quantum system mechanical engineers engage with. Seriously, this is such a dumb thing to suggest, especially Mechanical engineers (who work on large systems) would need to have any knowledge in. Quantum makes more sense for EE and that’s really only if their dream career is quantum computing or something excessively research-based that requires a PhD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

What types? These are not necessary for any engineering career. More like fun curriculum quirks to challenge students, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually a practical skill.

I could assign physics students a ton of number theory, little of it will be any useful, but it’d be a cool assignment nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

Are you an engineer? What type?

[Anonymous]

As a chemist, the thought of taking Ochem without taking any applied courses afterwards that need the ochem, sounds extraordinarily useless.

[Anonymous]

Most Materials programs are over glorified chemistry majors, just specialized in an area of chemistry.

[Anonymous]

It’s a good idea for a premed to take more than 1 semester of ochem, which isn’t typical of any engineering degree I know of.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I didn't take orgo or quantum.

- ME[/quote]
+1, I’m not even sure why you’d need either. [/quote]

You would not need orgo for mechE of course not but quantum is required for mechE and materials E at DC’s school and other top ones too. It is a sophomore course along with thermodynamics, considered basic. [b]Some on here are either very old or very narrow minded engineers. [/b][/quote]

Really PP? Was that necessary?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

Agree, part of the required degree at top schools and happens to make the overlap for a premed engineering student make sense. I do not use orgo daily in medicine yet it was required . Not sure why Ochem required for chemE materials BME degrees at MIT hopkins GT CMU etc is surprising or somehow controversial? These are well respected schools, the best in the country, as are the various unnamed ivies that PPs have mentioned that require it. So? That is not a negative on an engineering program to require or strongly encourage courses that some engineers later in their career profess are “unnecessary”. Ok. No skin in this game as mine is not premed and is in a different engineering field at one of these top schools. Gasp he is taking quantum maybe it is “not needed”? Who care I trust his top school and their challenging curriculum. He likes the challenge as do his peers. Thats why he is there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

Agree, part of the required degree at top schools and happens to make the overlap for a premed engineering student make sense. I do not use orgo daily in medicine yet it was required . Not sure why Ochem required for chemE materials BME degrees at MIT hopkins GT CMU etc is surprising or somehow controversial? These are well respected schools, the best in the country, as are the various unnamed ivies that PPs have mentioned that require it. So? That is not a negative on an engineering program to require or strongly encourage courses that some engineers later in their career profess are “unnecessary”. Ok. No skin in this game as mine is not premed and is in a different engineering field at one of these top schools. Gasp he is taking quantum maybe it is “not needed”? Who care I trust his top school and their challenging curriculum. He likes the challenge as do his peers. Thats why he is there

It’s more that the other person is mostly wrong, unless you know a lot of Materials Science -> MD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

Agree, part of the required degree at top schools and happens to make the overlap for a premed engineering student make sense. I do not use orgo daily in medicine yet it was required . Not sure why Ochem required for chemE materials BME degrees at MIT hopkins GT CMU etc is surprising or somehow controversial? These are well respected schools, the best in the country, as are the various unnamed ivies that PPs have mentioned that require it. So? That is not a negative on an engineering program to require or strongly encourage courses that some engineers later in their career profess are “unnecessary”. Ok. No skin in this game as mine is not premed and is in a different engineering field at one of these top schools. Gasp he is taking quantum maybe it is “not needed”? Who care I trust his top school and their challenging curriculum. He likes the challenge as do his peers. Thats why he is there

You write just like PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

But most Chem E programs require it (at least in the T75 schools)

My Chem E major would agree that it's not really used. They hated it, but loved thermo (which is a good thing for a chem E major).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

But most Chem E programs require it (at least in the T75 schools)

My Chem E major would agree that it's not really used. They hated it, but loved thermo (which is a good thing for a chem E major).

They don’t.