UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't seen anywhere on this thread people saying troops should have been put in harms way to retrieve him. The only person mentioning it is the one who is against it I do think there are valid questions about how the Obama administration conducted itself vis a vis Americans held abroad, and history will ultimately arbitrate that one. He's home. Some Americans are still being held there and elsewhere. Prayers for his recovery and for his family.

You haven't seen all the "let's roll" and "reduce North Korea" to rubble posts? Then you need to re-read the thread. What exactly happens to our tens of thousands of troops in the DMZ when we reduce NK to rubble?

You do realize that, unless we take action, the same North Korea that returns our citizen to us as a vegetable will eventually try to attack Los Angeles. We should go after them now. Protecting the citizens of Seoul is not our duty.

As long as it is limited to LA....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't seen anywhere on this thread people saying troops should have been put in harms way to retrieve him. The only person mentioning it is the one who is against it I do think there are valid questions about how the Obama administration conducted itself vis a vis Americans held abroad, and history will ultimately arbitrate that one. He's home. Some Americans are still being held there and elsewhere. Prayers for his recovery and for his family.

You haven't seen all the "let's roll" and "reduce North Korea" to rubble posts? Then you need to re-read the thread. What exactly happens to our tens of thousands of troops in the DMZ when we reduce NK to rubble?

You do realize that, unless we take action, the same North Korea that returns our citizen to us as a vegetable will eventually try to attack Los Angeles. We should go after them now. Protecting the citizens of Seoul is not our duty.

I would disagree with this statement based on the statement alone, but you do realize that we have over 28,000 US troops based in S. Korea?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This kid paid dearly for his mistakes and poor judgment. I feel for his family. But to blame Obama or to credit Trump, for that matter, is absurd. Let's focus our outrage on the NK government, which is where it belongs. Moreover, hundreds of thousands of NK suffer everyday under the hideous regime and are jailed for the most minor infractions. Let's focus on these people, people for whom living in NK isn't a fun excursion - it's a daily nightmare.

But Trumpkins love an opportunity to blame Obama!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't seen anywhere on this thread people saying troops should have been put in harms way to retrieve him. The only person mentioning it is the one who is against it I do think there are valid questions about how the Obama administration conducted itself vis a vis Americans held abroad, and history will ultimately arbitrate that one. He's home. Some Americans are still being held there and elsewhere. Prayers for his recovery and for his family.

You haven't seen all the "let's roll" and "reduce North Korea" to rubble posts? Then you need to re-read the thread. What exactly happens to our tens of thousands of troops in the DMZ when we reduce NK to
You do realize that, unless we take action, the same North Korea that returns our citizen to us as a vegetable will eventually try to attack Los Angeles. We should go after them now. Protecting the citizens of Seoul is not our duty.

I would disagree with this statement based on the statement alone, but you do realize that we have over 28,000 US troops based in S. Korea?

And there's no way to get them back to the US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you blaming this kid.............The only ones saying he did anything wrong are the N Koreans.
His roommate while he was there never saw him do anything. Have the N Koreans released a video of him doing the act he is accused of? Nope. No evidence.

And, it does make one wonder why our government never reached out to this man to get his side of the story........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/06/15/otto-warmbiers-north-korea-roommate-speaks-out/?tid=ss_mail&utm_term=.d9f35da74ee8

Yes. I posted it earlier.

[Anonymous]

They might have forced him to take down the poster after they detained him. Or they tricked him somehow and said, "hey can you get that poster down for me".' The video shows man taking down a poster, but that's it.

He might have done nothing wrong at all. I bet they framed him and chose him because he's a tall attractive young college kid, someone who would get noticed by the us government and the us public. The U.S. really should ban travel by tourists there, and I read that some in Congress are working on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They might have forced him to take down the poster after they detained him. Or they tricked him somehow and said, "hey can you get that poster down for me".' The video shows man taking down a poster, but that's it.

He might have done nothing wrong at all. I bet they framed him and chose him because he's a tall attractive young college kid, someone who would get noticed by the us government and the us public. The U.S. really should ban travel by tourists there, and I read that some in Congress are working on it.

Agreed that US tourists should be banned. Why not?

Anyone know who is working on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They might have forced him to take down the poster after they detained him. Or they tricked him somehow and said, "hey can you get that poster down for me".' The video shows man taking down a poster, but that's it.

He might have done nothing wrong at all. I bet they framed him and chose him because he's a tall attractive young college kid, someone who would get noticed by the us government and the us public. The U.S. really should ban travel by tourists there, and I read that some in Congress are working on it.

How would they ban an individual from visiting North Korea if that country allowed them in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They might have forced him to take down the poster after they detained him. Or they tricked him somehow and said, "hey can you get that poster down for me".' The video shows man taking down a poster, but that's it.

He might have done nothing wrong at all. I bet they framed him and chose him because he's a tall attractive young college kid, someone who would get noticed by the us government and the us public. The U.S. really should ban travel by tourists there, and I read that some in Congress are working on it.

How would they ban an individual from visiting North Korea if that country allowed them in?

The US can't stop you from going. They just won't let you come back.

And this is how we end up with North Korea holding Americans hostage...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They might have forced him to take down the poster after they detained him. Or they tricked him somehow and said, "hey can you get that poster down for me".' The video shows man taking down a poster, but that's it.

He might have done nothing wrong at all. I bet they framed him and chose him because he's a tall attractive young college kid, someone who would get noticed by the us government and the us public. The U.S. really should ban travel by tourists there, and I read that some in Congress are working on it.

How would they ban an individual from visiting North Korea if that country allowed them in?

The US can't stop you from going. They just won't let you come back.

And this is how we end up with North Korea holding Americans hostage...

Huh? Why are they holding hostages?

[Anonymous]

Warning! Warning! Warning! Stupid question up ahead.....

To those of you who saw the video of the NK guards "escorting" Otto down the hall to his trial (or to his cell, not clear), he had his head down and practically collapsed into the door jam, looking extremely wobbly. I assumed he was either heavily sedated or so traumatized by the proceedings that he could barely walk. My friend, on the other hand, is under the impression that a person in a coma can still walk, with assistance (although completely unaware) and that this video was taken after his coma. Is that true? Can a person in a coma walk??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Warning! Warning! Warning! Stupid question up ahead.....

To those of you who saw the video of the NK guards "escorting" Otto down the hall to his trial (or to his cell, not clear), he had his head down and practically collapsed into the door jam, looking extremely wobbly. I assumed he was either heavily sedated or so traumatized by the proceedings that he could barely walk. My friend, on the other hand, is under the impression that a person in a coma can still walk, with assistance (although completely unaware) and that this video was taken after his coma. Is that true? Can a person in a coma walk??

No

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Warning! Warning! Warning! Stupid question up ahead.....

To those of you who saw the video of the NK guards "escorting" Otto down the hall to his trial (or to his cell, not clear), he had his head down and practically collapsed into the door jam, looking extremely wobbly. I assumed he was either heavily sedated or so traumatized by the proceedings that he could barely walk. My friend, on the other hand, is under the impression that a person in a coma can still walk, with assistance (although completely unaware) and that this video was taken after his coma. Is that true? Can a person in a coma walk??

No

Thanks. So I'm assuming I was correct - he was either sedated or traumatized. (He sure didn't look normal.) I wonder if he had been tortured in some manner prior to the time the video was taken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They might have forced him to take down the poster after they detained him. Or they tricked him somehow and said, "hey can you get that poster down for me".' The video shows man taking down a poster, but that's it.

He might have done nothing wrong at all. I bet they framed him and chose him because he's a tall attractive young college kid, someone who would get noticed by the us government and the us public. The U.S. really should ban travel by tourists there, and I read that some in Congress are working on it.

How would they ban an individual from visiting North Korea if that country allowed them in?

Ever heard of Cuba?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Warning! Warning! Warning! Stupid question up ahead.....

To those of you who saw the video of the NK guards "escorting" Otto down the hall to his trial (or to his cell, not clear), he had his head down and practically collapsed into the door jam, looking extremely wobbly. I assumed he was either heavily sedated or so traumatized by the proceedings that he could barely walk. My friend, on the other hand, is under the impression that a person in a coma can still walk, with assistance (although completely unaware) and that this video was taken after his coma. Is that true? Can a person in a coma walk??

No

Thanks. So I'm assuming I was correct - he was either sedated or traumatized. (He sure didn't look normal.) I wonder if he had been tortured in some manner prior to the time the video was taken.

I think they hit him with something AFTER his televised confession so he wouldn't try anything funny. There is also some suspicion that Mr. Warmbier may not have been the typical tourist. He had been to North Korea at least two times before this trip.