Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't someone post this kid got into UTexas Austin? That is a top 30 school and, with almost 4000 colleges in the USA, in the top 1%

How is that a problem?

He got into UT Austin and UMD College Park for CS. Both are top-caliber CS programs - Sergey Brin came out of UMD CS.

But he thinks he deserves to have been accepted into more programs, particularly the public universities in California. He and his dad are calling for an independent audit of college admissions using a random sample of accepted applications. One issue they want to know more about is that he may have been yield protected by schools, particularly the public universities.

Interesting wrinkle that I didn't know - his dad works at Google. So the kid definitely has an advantage over pretty much any other kid: he likely had insight to the requirements of the technical interview and got prepped for that by his dad. I'm not saying the kid couldn't do the work, but I guarantee he was taught-to-the-test by his father.

Folks should really watch the long interview with his dad. They have a soft agenda of attacking universities. Dad is already talking about suing universities if they don't voluntarily get the information they are seeking from the schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHK8E-k91k

And colleges are allowed to "yield protect". The ultimate goal for the college is to have everyone they offer a place accept. So if they think you are not serious about attending, they might accept someone else with similar stats who shows more interest.

Fact is he applied to 18 extremely selective universities (for CS admissions 17 are under 5% acceptance rates, many are 2-3%) and got into TWO. That's a win. He's not entitled to admission at all 18. Majority of those applying for CS have a similar CV yet most get rejected

The key issue is did the color of his skin negatively impact him, even though he is a minority.

"According to research from Princeton University, students who identify as Asian must score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites and 450 points higher than Blacks to have the same chance of admission to private colleges."

College admissions is indeed opaque. It is hard to discern why one kid with stellar academics gets rejected by top universities, but another kid with relatively similar or fewer credentials gets admitted to all Ivys.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/31/ivy-league-admissions-college-university/7119531/

First generation immigrant.
SAT 2250 (1540 on the 1600 scale).
Plays viola
Graduated 11th in his class

Problematic?

This lady was also accepted to all of them. Remarkably similar profile:

https://abc7chicago.com/ivy-league-orange-county-school-of-the-arts-cassandra-hsiao-teen-accepted-to-all-8-schools/1845915/

Wow!!! Congratulations Ms. Hsiao!

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't someone post this kid got into UTexas Austin? That is a top 30 school and, with almost 4000 colleges in the USA, in the top 1%

How is that a problem?

He got into UT Austin and UMD College Park for CS. Both are top-caliber CS programs - Sergey Brin came out of UMD CS.

But he thinks he deserves to have been accepted into more programs, particularly the public universities in California. He and his dad are calling for an independent audit of college admissions using a random sample of accepted applications. One issue they want to know more about is that he may have been yield protected by schools, particularly the public universities.

Interesting wrinkle that I didn't know - his dad works at Google. So the kid definitely has an advantage over pretty much any other kid: he likely had insight to the requirements of the technical interview and got prepped for that by his dad. I'm not saying the kid couldn't do the work, but I guarantee he was taught-to-the-test by his father.

Folks should really watch the long interview with his dad. They have a soft agenda of attacking universities. Dad is already talking about suing universities if they don't voluntarily get the information they are seeking from the schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHK8E-k91k

And colleges are allowed to "yield protect". The ultimate goal for the college is to have everyone they offer a place accept. So if they think you are not serious about attending, they might accept someone else with similar stats who shows more interest.

Fact is he applied to 18 extremely selective universities (for CS admissions 17 are under 5% acceptance rates, many are 2-3%) and got into TWO. That's a win. He's not entitled to admission at all 18. Majority of those applying for CS have a similar CV yet most get rejected

The key issue is did the color of his skin negatively impact him, even though he is a minority.

"According to research from Princeton University, students who identify as Asian must score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites and 450 points higher than Blacks to have the same chance of admission to private colleges."

College admissions is indeed opaque. It is hard to discern why one kid with stellar academics gets rejected by top universities, but another kid with relatively similar or fewer credentials gets admitted to all Ivys.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/31/ivy-league-admissions-college-university/7119531/

First generation immigrant.
SAT 2250 (1540 on the 1600 scale).
Plays viola
Graduated 11th in his class

Problematic?

This lady was also accepted to all of them. Remarkably similar profile:

https://abc7chicago.com/ivy-league-orange-county-school-of-the-arts-cassandra-hsiao-teen-accepted-to-all-8-schools/1845915/

Not your stereotypical suburban middle class American Asian. She is foreign born, underprivileged and first gen who faced and rose above adversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't someone post this kid got into UTexas Austin? That is a top 30 school and, with almost 4000 colleges in the USA, in the top 1%

How is that a problem?

He got into UT Austin and UMD College Park for CS. Both are top-caliber CS programs - Sergey Brin came out of UMD CS.

But he thinks he deserves to have been accepted into more programs, particularly the public universities in California. He and his dad are calling for an independent audit of college admissions using a random sample of accepted applications. One issue they want to know more about is that he may have been yield protected by schools, particularly the public universities.

Interesting wrinkle that I didn't know - his dad works at Google. So the kid definitely has an advantage over pretty much any other kid: he likely had insight to the requirements of the technical interview and got prepped for that by his dad. I'm not saying the kid couldn't do the work, but I guarantee he was taught-to-the-test by his father.

Folks should really watch the long interview with his dad. They have a soft agenda of attacking universities. Dad is already talking about suing universities if they don't voluntarily get the information they are seeking from the schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHK8E-k91k

And colleges are allowed to "yield protect". The ultimate goal for the college is to have everyone they offer a place accept. So if they think you are not serious about attending, they might accept someone else with similar stats who shows more interest.

Fact is he applied to 18 extremely selective universities (for CS admissions 17 are under 5% acceptance rates, many are 2-3%) and got into TWO. That's a win. He's not entitled to admission at all 18. Majority of those applying for CS have a similar CV yet most get rejected

The key issue is did the color of his skin negatively impact him, even though he is a minority.

"According to research from Princeton University, students who identify as Asian must score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites and 450 points higher than Blacks to have the same chance of admission to private colleges."

College admissions is indeed opaque. It is hard to discern why one kid with stellar academics gets rejected by top universities, but another kid with relatively similar or fewer credentials gets admitted to all Ivys.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/31/ivy-league-admissions-college-university/7119531/

First generation immigrant.
SAT 2250 (1540 on the 1600 scale).
Plays viola
Graduated 11th in his class

Problematic?

This lady was also accepted to all of them. Remarkably similar profile:

https://abc7chicago.com/ivy-league-orange-county-school-of-the-arts-cassandra-hsiao-teen-accepted-to-all-8-schools/1845915/

That’s from 2017! No longer relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't someone post this kid got into UTexas Austin? That is a top 30 school and, with almost 4000 colleges in the USA, in the top 1%

How is that a problem?

He got into UT Austin and UMD College Park for CS. Both are top-caliber CS programs - Sergey Brin came out of UMD CS.

But he thinks he deserves to have been accepted into more programs, particularly the public universities in California. He and his dad are calling for an independent audit of college admissions using a random sample of accepted applications. One issue they want to know more about is that he may have been yield protected by schools, particularly the public universities.

Interesting wrinkle that I didn't know - his dad works at Google. So the kid definitely has an advantage over pretty much any other kid: he likely had insight to the requirements of the technical interview and got prepped for that by his dad. I'm not saying the kid couldn't do the work, but I guarantee he was taught-to-the-test by his father.

Folks should really watch the long interview with his dad. They have a soft agenda of attacking universities. Dad is already talking about suing universities if they don't voluntarily get the information they are seeking from the schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHK8E-k91k

And colleges are allowed to "yield protect". The ultimate goal for the college is to have everyone they offer a place accept. So if they think you are not serious about attending, they might accept someone else with similar stats who shows more interest.

Fact is he applied to 18 extremely selective universities (for CS admissions 17 are under 5% acceptance rates, many are 2-3%) and got into TWO. That's a win. He's not entitled to admission at all 18. Majority of those applying for CS have a similar CV yet most get rejected

The key issue is did the color of his skin negatively impact him, even though he is a minority.

"According to research from Princeton University, students who identify as Asian must score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites and 450 points higher than Blacks to have the same chance of admission to private colleges."

College admissions is indeed opaque. It is hard to discern why one kid with stellar academics gets rejected by top universities, but another kid with relatively similar or fewer credentials gets admitted to all Ivys.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/31/ivy-league-admissions-college-university/7119531/

First generation immigrant.
SAT 2250 (1540 on the 1600 scale).
Plays viola
Graduated 11th in his class

Problematic?

This lady was also accepted to all of them. Remarkably similar profile:

https://abc7chicago.com/ivy-league-orange-county-school-of-the-arts-cassandra-hsiao-teen-accepted-to-all-8-schools/1845915/

Not your stereotypical suburban middle class American Asian. She is foreign born, underprivileged and first gen who faced and rose above adversity.

Sure, good number of asian americans at competitive magnet schools in major cities like NYC are at or below poverty. Yet:

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/column...ericans/69614232007/
"According to research from Princeton University, students who identify as Asian must score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites and 450 points higher than Blacks to have the same chance of admission to private colleges."

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Article in people about stanley

https://people.com/high-school-graduate-rejected-over-dozen-colleges-lands-jobs-at-google-8364398

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you have any idea what teacher recommendations said?

People underestimate this so much.

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Al Gore
George Bush
Bill Clinton

Harvard
Yale
Georgetown

All with super low SAT scores. I can't quite figure out how they managed to get in... maybe the letters of recommendation?

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Anonymous wrote:Al Gore
George Bush
Bill Clinton

Harvard
Yale
Georgetown

All with super low SAT scores. I can't quite figure out how they managed to get in... maybe the letters of recommendation?

They got in through the 'side doors' except maybe BC since he lacked means living with single mom in HS.

[Anonymous]

Clinton started in politics in high school. Check out the photo with him and JFK. I bet that was part of his application!

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Anonymous wrote:Article in people about stanley

https://people.com/high-school-graduate-rejected-over-dozen-colleges-lands-jobs-at-google-8364398

Penalty for being Asian american?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't someone post this kid got into UTexas Austin? That is a top 30 school and, with almost 4000 colleges in the USA, in the top 1%

How is that a problem?

He got into UT Austin and UMD College Park for CS. Both are top-caliber CS programs - Sergey Brin came out of UMD CS.

But he thinks he deserves to have been accepted into more programs, particularly the public universities in California. He and his dad are calling for an independent audit of college admissions using a random sample of accepted applications. One issue they want to know more about is that he may have been yield protected by schools, particularly the public universities.

Interesting wrinkle that I didn't know - his dad works at Google. So the kid definitely has an advantage over pretty much any other kid: he likely had insight to the requirements of the technical interview and got prepped for that by his dad. I'm not saying the kid couldn't do the work, but I guarantee he was taught-to-the-test by his father.

Folks should really watch the long interview with his dad. They have a soft agenda of attacking universities. Dad is already talking about suing universities if they don't voluntarily get the information they are seeking from the schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHK8E-k91k

And colleges are allowed to "yield protect". The ultimate goal for the college is to have everyone they offer a place accept. So if they think you are not serious about attending, they might accept someone else with similar stats who shows more interest.

Fact is he applied to 18 extremely selective universities (for CS admissions 17 are under 5% acceptance rates, many are 2-3%) and got into TWO. That's a win. He's not entitled to admission at all 18. Majority of those applying for CS have a similar CV yet most get rejected

The key issue is did the color of his skin negatively impact him, even though he is a minority.

"According to research from Princeton University, students who identify as Asian must score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites and 450 points higher than Blacks to have the same chance of admission to private colleges."

College admissions is indeed opaque. It is hard to discern why one kid with stellar academics gets rejected by top universities, but another kid with relatively similar or fewer credentials gets admitted to all Ivys.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/31/ivy-league-admissions-college-university/7119531/

First generation immigrant.
SAT 2250 (1540 on the 1600 scale).
Plays viola
Graduated 11th in his class

Problematic?

This lady was also accepted to all of them. Remarkably similar profile:

https://abc7chicago.com/ivy-league-orange-county-school-of-the-arts-cassandra-hsiao-teen-accepted-to-all-8-schools/1845915/

Wow!!! Congratulations Ms. Hsiao!

It's likely more to it than these simple stats and we don't have all the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't someone post this kid got into UTexas Austin? That is a top 30 school and, with almost 4000 colleges in the USA, in the top 1%

How is that a problem?

He got into UT Austin and UMD College Park for CS. Both are top-caliber CS programs - Sergey Brin came out of UMD CS.

But he thinks he deserves to have been accepted into more programs, particularly the public universities in California. He and his dad are calling for an independent audit of college admissions using a random sample of accepted applications. One issue they want to know more about is that he may have been yield protected by schools, particularly the public universities.

Interesting wrinkle that I didn't know - his dad works at Google. So the kid definitely has an advantage over pretty much any other kid: he likely had insight to the requirements of the technical interview and got prepped for that by his dad. I'm not saying the kid couldn't do the work, but I guarantee he was taught-to-the-test by his father.

Folks should really watch the long interview with his dad. They have a soft agenda of attacking universities. Dad is already talking about suing universities if they don't voluntarily get the information they are seeking from the schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHK8E-k91k

And colleges are allowed to "yield protect". The ultimate goal for the college is to have everyone they offer a place accept. So if they think you are not serious about attending, they might accept someone else with similar stats who shows more interest.

Fact is he applied to 18 extremely selective universities (for CS admissions 17 are under 5% acceptance rates, many are 2-3%) and got into TWO. That's a win. He's not entitled to admission at all 18. Majority of those applying for CS have a similar CV yet most get rejected

The key issue is did the color of his skin negatively impact him, even though he is a minority.

"According to research from Princeton University, students who identify as Asian must score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites and 450 points higher than Blacks to have the same chance of admission to private colleges."

Not likely, with acceptance rates below 5%, there were likely many, many , many Asian males also rejected at all of these schools along with many, many, many white, black, hispanic males and females. This is not a situation of 50% were accepted and he was rejected. 95%+ of applicants were rejected. His stats are not that impressive---most who apply have similar stats (or rather over 1500/3.9+) which once you hit that barrier schools consider it as "we now will look at the rest of your application". Having a 1580 does not guarantee you admission, because most of the others rejected have similar scores

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't someone post this kid got into UTexas Austin? That is a top 30 school and, with almost 4000 colleges in the USA, in the top 1%

How is that a problem?

He got into UT Austin and UMD College Park for CS. Both are top-caliber CS programs - Sergey Brin came out of UMD CS.

But he thinks he deserves to have been accepted into more programs, particularly the public universities in California. He and his dad are calling for an independent audit of college admissions using a random sample of accepted applications. One issue they want to know more about is that he may have been yield protected by schools, particularly the public universities.

Interesting wrinkle that I didn't know - his dad works at Google. So the kid definitely has an advantage over pretty much any other kid: he likely had insight to the requirements of the technical interview and got prepped for that by his dad. I'm not saying the kid couldn't do the work, but I guarantee he was taught-to-the-test by his father.

Folks should really watch the long interview with his dad. They have a soft agenda of attacking universities. Dad is already talking about suing universities if they don't voluntarily get the information they are seeking from the schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHK8E-k91k

And colleges are allowed to "yield protect". The ultimate goal for the college is to have everyone they offer a place accept. So if they think you are not serious about attending, they might accept someone else with similar stats who shows more interest.

Fact is he applied to 18 extremely selective universities (for CS admissions 17 are under 5% acceptance rates, many are 2-3%) and got into TWO. That's a win. He's not entitled to admission at all 18. Majority of those applying for CS have a similar CV yet most get rejected

The key issue is did the color of his skin negatively impact him, even though he is a minority.

"According to research from Princeton University, students who identify as Asian must score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites and 450 points higher than Blacks to have the same chance of admission to private colleges."

College admissions is indeed opaque. It is hard to discern why one kid with stellar academics gets rejected by top universities, but another kid with relatively similar or fewer credentials gets admitted to all Ivys.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/31/ivy-league-admissions-college-university/7119531/

First generation immigrant.
SAT 2250 (1540 on the 1600 scale).
Plays viola
Graduated 11th in his class

Problematic?

This lady was also accepted to all of them. Remarkably similar profile:

https://abc7chicago.com/ivy-league-orange-county-school-of-the-arts-cassandra-hsiao-teen-accepted-to-all-8-schools/1845915/

She is thinking of majoring in "storytelling arts". Not an impacted major or competitive one. She is not applying as a CS major, so you cannot compare.
It amazes me that people cannot understand those simple facts. CS is a tough major at any university that has impacted majors (ie not everyone can just select it, you must be admitted directly). Fairly certain people are not clamoring to major in storytelling arts

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Anonymous wrote:Article in people about stanley

https://people.com/high-school-graduate-rejected-over-dozen-colleges-lands-jobs-at-google-8364398

With Supreme Court striking down race-conscious admissions programs, one would expect universities to comply immediately. I guess its going to take a passel of lawsuits to get those behind the curtain racial balancing manipulation exposed. Transparency cant be expected, it needs to be required by law.

[Anonymous]

I've been on the Reddit board and seen exhaustive discussion there. While discrimination against Asians is real and persistent it looks like 75% of the Reddit posters think this Stanley Z case in gray area at best. The whole thing looks more like a Blum trial balloon. If this one doesn't have legs there will be another