Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"?

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So many people above react negatively to calling God a myth even as they acknowledge the many mythical stories in this Bible. I'm just wondering if those of you who get offended when someone refers to God as mythical regard Satan as a myth? You know Satan did talk to God in the book of Job. So is Satan real or a myth?

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Anonymous wrote:So many people above react negatively to calling God a myth even as they acknowledge the many mythical stories in this Bible. I'm just wondering if those of you who get offended when someone refers to God as mythical regard Satan as a myth? You know Satan did talk to God in the book of Job. So is Satan real or a myth?

come to think of it, Satan also talked to Jesus in Matthew 4. You'd think someone as powerful as God would have defeated Satan by now, so one has to wonder what God keeps him around for?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Oh, it doesn’t have to be repeated we get it loud and clear that you want special treatment for your beliefs and don’t care about others. You made that very clear.

Is the statement all religions are myths offensive?

Is the statement ‘all religions are myths except for blank” offensive? Or only unless your religion is in the blank spot?

Whenever you lose an argument you come back to this. We're going in circles now.

Nobody is demanding special treatment for any religion.

We're demanding RESPECT for all living religions. Sing it with me. RESPECT. We're asking you to stop with the dumb and childish insults.

And yes, you've been told many times that calling any or all living religions "myths" is disrespectful and insulting. How many more times does this need to be repeated? Can you not grasp this simple logic of democratic exchange, or are the tenets of respectful modern discourse beyond your understanding?

What is a “living” religion? It has been posted here that plenty of people believe in things you call myths.

In addition, plenty of people believe all religions are myths. Do they not deserve the same respect? Why do they have to be quiet?

For the record, if the word “myth” is so problematic I will drop it. How should you prefer I express my beliefs on religion here?

Why don’t you just say it : you don’t want to see the point because you want to keep offending people.

A normal, non-bigoted person would quickly grasp the difference between thinking something is a myth and actually saying that, virtually or in person, to somebody’s face.

kinda like someone saying to your face that you're going to go to hell if you don't accept jesus?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

There are multiple posters. The reason why we call the ancient religions "myths" is because there is no evidence those gods existed. There was no evidence when people worshipped those gods either. It was a "faith".

There is no evidence that your god exists either - which is why you have "faith".

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Oh, it doesn’t have to be repeated we get it loud and clear that you want special treatment for your beliefs and don’t care about others. You made that very clear.

Is the statement all religions are myths offensive?

Is the statement ‘all religions are myths except for blank” offensive? Or only unless your religion is in the blank spot?

Whenever you lose an argument you come back to this. We're going in circles now.

Nobody is demanding special treatment for any religion.

We're demanding RESPECT for all living religions. Sing it with me. RESPECT. We're asking you to stop with the dumb and childish insults.

And yes, you've been told many times that calling any or all living religions "myths" is disrespectful and insulting. How many more times does this need to be repeated? Can you not grasp this simple logic of democratic exchange, or are the tenets of respectful modern discourse beyond your understanding?

What is a “living” religion? It has been posted here that plenty of people believe in things you call myths.

In addition, plenty of people believe all religions are myths. Do they not deserve the same respect? Why do they have to be quiet?

For the record, if the word “myth” is so problematic I will drop it. How should you prefer I express my beliefs on religion here?

Why don’t you just say it : you don’t want to see the point because you want to keep offending people.

A normal, non-bigoted person would quickly grasp the difference between thinking something is a myth and actually saying that, virtually or in person, to somebody’s face.

kinda like someone saying to your face that you're going to go to hell if you don't accept jesus?

Who told you you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Oh, it doesn’t have to be repeated we get it loud and clear that you want special treatment for your beliefs and don’t care about others. You made that very clear.

Is the statement all religions are myths offensive?

Is the statement ‘all religions are myths except for blank” offensive? Or only unless your religion is in the blank spot?

Whenever you lose an argument you come back to this. We're going in circles now.

Nobody is demanding special treatment for any religion.

We're demanding RESPECT for all living religions. Sing it with me. RESPECT. We're asking you to stop with the dumb and childish insults.

And yes, you've been told many times that calling any or all living religions "myths" is disrespectful and insulting. How many more times does this need to be repeated? Can you not grasp this simple logic of democratic exchange, or are the tenets of respectful modern discourse beyond your understanding?

What is a “living” religion? It has been posted here that plenty of people believe in things you call myths.

In addition, plenty of people believe all religions are myths. Do they not deserve the same respect? Why do they have to be quiet?

For the record, if the word “myth” is so problematic I will drop it. How should you prefer I express my beliefs on religion here?

Why don’t you just say it : you don’t want to see the point because you want to keep offending people.

A normal, non-bigoted person would quickly grasp the difference between thinking something is a myth and actually saying that, virtually or in person, to somebody’s face.

kinda like someone saying to your face that you're going to go to hell if you don't accept jesus?

Who told you you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Oh, it doesn’t have to be repeated we get it loud and clear that you want special treatment for your beliefs and don’t care about others. You made that very clear.

Is the statement all religions are myths offensive?

Is the statement ‘all religions are myths except for blank” offensive? Or only unless your religion is in the blank spot?

Whenever you lose an argument you come back to this. We're going in circles now.

Nobody is demanding special treatment for any religion.

We're demanding RESPECT for all living religions. Sing it with me. RESPECT. We're asking you to stop with the dumb and childish insults.

And yes, you've been told many times that calling any or all living religions "myths" is disrespectful and insulting. How many more times does this need to be repeated? Can you not grasp this simple logic of democratic exchange, or are the tenets of respectful modern discourse beyond your understanding?

What is a “living” religion? It has been posted here that plenty of people believe in things you call myths.

In addition, plenty of people believe all religions are myths. Do they not deserve the same respect? Why do they have to be quiet?

For the record, if the word “myth” is so problematic I will drop it. How should you prefer I express my beliefs on religion here?

Why don’t you just say it : you don’t want to see the point because you want to keep offending people.

A normal, non-bigoted person would quickly grasp the difference between thinking something is a myth and actually saying that, virtually or in person, to somebody’s face.

kinda like someone saying to your face that you're going to go to hell if you don't accept jesus?

Who told you you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus?

Here is a post from this thread:

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Why would anyone want to do it? We will all face the judgement day and we all know where you will go. You made your choices. Why would anyone wants to change it for you

07/10/2023 10:09

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

There are multiple posters. The reason why we call the ancient religions "myths" is because there is no evidence those gods existed. There was no evidence when people worshipped those gods either. It was a "faith".

There is no evidence that your god exists either - which is why you have "faith".

If you can’t understand the difference between acknowledging “faith” is a thing vs. insulting someone by saying their faith is in a “myth” then there’s no hope for you.

You just want to insult people. You’re a boor.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Let’s take any dearly held belief. Let’s drop religion for the moment and take up something else. Like LGBT rights. Lots of people - good morally upstanding people - were very uncomfortable with the idea of accepting gay marriage. Some folks (and I remember these conversations) felt that equating heterosexual marriage with gay marriage was somehow disrespectful of their own (straight) marriage. There was pretty no way to get across the idea that these should both be legally recognized in the same way without stepping on an emotional landmine for some folk.

This feels sort of similar. You shut down conversation by saying “that is disrespectful so we can’t discuss how a living religion is like a myth.” Difference is that people going about practicing their religion on their own does not affect me and I have zero reason to get them to engage in such a discussion. So, I don’t generally participate in these “debates” because all it does is upset people with no real potential outcome. Unless of course the religious (like the conservative majority on the court) try to impose their religion on the rest of us. Suddenly, one does feel like you need to get a larger share of the population to see that their baseline is a set of “myths” that non believers should not have to live under.

To extend your analogy: we all (95% of posters here?) agree that gay marriage is a good thing. I have a gay child and my child and I are both Christian. And we all (95% of posters here?) agree the current SC pretty much sucks. Are we good on that much, at least?

But only a boor (per the moderator) and an idiot starts an argument by insulting the other side. Let's say, to continue your analogy, by calling people who disagree with you "cavemen" or some other insult. Posters here have told you that "myth" is insulting and you don't get to decide that it isn't.

Calling religion a "myth" is your own caveman behavior. Your pretension that you're on your own mini-crusade to convert people to atheism is narcissistic and, unfortunately, you're truly laughable. Not if you really intend to persuade people. As opposed to just insulting them for fun, or whatever your sick little troll game is about. You're persuading nobody, in fact you're driving them further into their own corner, so it's pointless and counterproductive. It's also based on a (probably deliberate) misunderstanding of what people of faith--like me--believe, for example many of us are pro-choice.

So I don't actually gaf that you're acting like a douchebag for atheism. Well actually I want a liberal SC too, so I kind of resent your douchebaggery. But you should know that's what your douchebaggery and boorishness is hurting the cause we both support.

Just to correct the record. I am the poster you are responding to. However, I have not been an active participant on this thread and I certainly have not been involved in calling religions myths. As I said, I don’t see much value.

All I was trying to do is to offer up that sometimes one has to “offend” to break through. Perhaps people are trying to do that. I gave my own example for why one might feel it’s worth having this discussion. And with that, I am off this subthread.

What astounding egotism, narcissism, and stupidity.

You are, or you approve others being, on a crusade to convert DCUM’s Episcopalians, liberal Catholics, Jews, Muslims and Hindus—because your insults don’t discriminate—to atheism. And you think you can do this by “offending” them.

This is actually pathological.

I keep coming back to this. At least one atheist here is on a crusade to save America by converting people to atheism.

By, wait for it, insulting people of faith.

Unbelievable narcissism. And yes, futile boorishness.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Let’s take any dearly held belief. Let’s drop religion for the moment and take up something else. Like LGBT rights. Lots of people - good morally upstanding people - were very uncomfortable with the idea of accepting gay marriage. Some folks (and I remember these conversations) felt that equating heterosexual marriage with gay marriage was somehow disrespectful of their own (straight) marriage. There was pretty no way to get across the idea that these should both be legally recognized in the same way without stepping on an emotional landmine for some folk.

This feels sort of similar. You shut down conversation by saying “that is disrespectful so we can’t discuss how a living religion is like a myth.” Difference is that people going about practicing their religion on their own does not affect me and I have zero reason to get them to engage in such a discussion. So, I don’t generally participate in these “debates” because all it does is upset people with no real potential outcome. Unless of course the religious (like the conservative majority on the court) try to impose their religion on the rest of us. Suddenly, one does feel like you need to get a larger share of the population to see that their baseline is a set of “myths” that non believers should not have to live under.

To extend your analogy: we all (95% of posters here?) agree that gay marriage is a good thing. I have a gay child and my child and I are both Christian. And we all (95% of posters here?) agree the current SC pretty much sucks. Are we good on that much, at least?

But only a boor (per the moderator) and an idiot starts an argument by insulting the other side. Let's say, to continue your analogy, by calling people who disagree with you "cavemen" or some other insult. Posters here have told you that "myth" is insulting and you don't get to decide that it isn't.

Calling religion a "myth" is your own caveman behavior. Your pretension that you're on your own mini-crusade to convert people to atheism is narcissistic and, unfortunately, you're truly laughable. Not if you really intend to persuade people. As opposed to just insulting them for fun, or whatever your sick little troll game is about. You're persuading nobody, in fact you're driving them further into their own corner, so it's pointless and counterproductive. It's also based on a (probably deliberate) misunderstanding of what people of faith--like me--believe, for example many of us are pro-choice.

So I don't actually gaf that you're acting like a douchebag for atheism. Well actually I want a liberal SC too, so I kind of resent your douchebaggery. But you should know that's what your douchebaggery and boorishness is hurting the cause we both support.

Just to correct the record. I am the poster you are responding to. However, I have not been an active participant on this thread and I certainly have not been involved in calling religions myths. As I said, I don’t see much value.

All I was trying to do is to offer up that sometimes one has to “offend” to break through. Perhaps people are trying to do that. I gave my own example for why one might feel it’s worth having this discussion. And with that, I am off this subthread.

What astounding egotism, narcissism, and stupidity.

You are, or you approve others being, on a crusade to convert DCUM’s Episcopalians, liberal Catholics, Jews, Muslims and Hindus—because your insults don’t discriminate—to atheism. And you think you can do this by “offending” them.

This is actually pathological.

I keep coming back to this. At least one atheist here is on a crusade to save America by converting people to atheism.

By, wait for it, insulting people of faith.

Unbelievable narcissism. And yes, futile boorishness.

DP - the point you miss buy a mile is that some people are just as committed to their belief that all religions are myths as you are to your faith. The question is, why should your belief carry special privileges over their belief in this open forum?

Please answer that question.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Oh, it doesn’t have to be repeated we get it loud and clear that you want special treatment for your beliefs and don’t care about others. You made that very clear.

Is the statement all religions are myths offensive?

Is the statement ‘all religions are myths except for blank” offensive? Or only unless your religion is in the blank spot?

Whenever you lose an argument you come back to this. We're going in circles now.

Nobody is demanding special treatment for any religion.

We're demanding RESPECT for all living religions. Sing it with me. RESPECT. We're asking you to stop with the dumb and childish insults.

And yes, you've been told many times that calling any or all living religions "myths" is disrespectful and insulting. How many more times does this need to be repeated? Can you not grasp this simple logic of democratic exchange, or are the tenets of respectful modern discourse beyond your understanding?

What is a “living” religion? It has been posted here that plenty of people believe in things you call myths.

In addition, plenty of people believe all religions are myths. Do they not deserve the same respect? Why do they have to be quiet?

For the record, if the word “myth” is so problematic I will drop it. How should you prefer I express my beliefs on religion here?

Why don’t you just say it : you don’t want to see the point because you want to keep offending people.

A normal, non-bigoted person would quickly grasp the difference between thinking something is a myth and actually saying that, virtually or in person, to somebody’s face.

kinda like someone saying to your face that you're going to go to hell if you don't accept jesus?

Who told you you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus?

Here is a post from this thread:

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Why would anyone want to do it? We will all face the judgement day and we all know where you will go. You made your choices. Why would anyone wants to change it for you

07/10/2023 10:09

I don't know if that was posted by a believer or non-believer, but it's a great example of mythology. "Judgment day" is a myth. "Where you will go" is a myth - be it Hades, the Happy hunting grounds or Valhalla.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Let’s take any dearly held belief. Let’s drop religion for the moment and take up something else. Like LGBT rights. Lots of people - good morally upstanding people - were very uncomfortable with the idea of accepting gay marriage. Some folks (and I remember these conversations) felt that equating heterosexual marriage with gay marriage was somehow disrespectful of their own (straight) marriage. There was pretty no way to get across the idea that these should both be legally recognized in the same way without stepping on an emotional landmine for some folk.

This feels sort of similar. You shut down conversation by saying “that is disrespectful so we can’t discuss how a living religion is like a myth.” Difference is that people going about practicing their religion on their own does not affect me and I have zero reason to get them to engage in such a discussion. So, I don’t generally participate in these “debates” because all it does is upset people with no real potential outcome. Unless of course the religious (like the conservative majority on the court) try to impose their religion on the rest of us. Suddenly, one does feel like you need to get a larger share of the population to see that their baseline is a set of “myths” that non believers should not have to live under.

To extend your analogy: we all (95% of posters here?) agree that gay marriage is a good thing. I have a gay child and my child and I are both Christian. And we all (95% of posters here?) agree the current SC pretty much sucks. Are we good on that much, at least?

But only a boor (per the moderator) and an idiot starts an argument by insulting the other side. Let's say, to continue your analogy, by calling people who disagree with you "cavemen" or some other insult. Posters here have told you that "myth" is insulting and you don't get to decide that it isn't.

Calling religion a "myth" is your own caveman behavior. Your pretension that you're on your own mini-crusade to convert people to atheism is narcissistic and, unfortunately, you're truly laughable. Not if you really intend to persuade people. As opposed to just insulting them for fun, or whatever your sick little troll game is about. You're persuading nobody, in fact you're driving them further into their own corner, so it's pointless and counterproductive. It's also based on a (probably deliberate) misunderstanding of what people of faith--like me--believe, for example many of us are pro-choice.

So I don't actually gaf that you're acting like a douchebag for atheism. Well actually I want a liberal SC too, so I kind of resent your douchebaggery. But you should know that's what your douchebaggery and boorishness is hurting the cause we both support.

Just to correct the record. I am the poster you are responding to. However, I have not been an active participant on this thread and I certainly have not been involved in calling religions myths. As I said, I don’t see much value.

All I was trying to do is to offer up that sometimes one has to “offend” to break through. Perhaps people are trying to do that. I gave my own example for why one might feel it’s worth having this discussion. And with that, I am off this subthread.

What astounding egotism, narcissism, and stupidity.

You are, or you approve others being, on a crusade to convert DCUM’s Episcopalians, liberal Catholics, Jews, Muslims and Hindus—because your insults don’t discriminate—to atheism. And you think you can do this by “offending” them.

This is actually pathological.

I keep coming back to this. At least one atheist here is on a crusade to save America by converting people to atheism.

By, wait for it, insulting people of faith.

Unbelievable narcissism. And yes, futile boorishness.

DP - the point you miss buy a mile is that some people are just as committed to their belief that all religions are myths as you are to your faith. The question is, why should your belief carry special privileges over their belief in this open forum?

Please answer that question.

Because they get more insulted - and so we should be kind enough to stop insulting them. (Not that I agree they should be insulted). Most reasonable people understand that the stories in the Bible, and that includes the gospels in the NT are myth. These are stories handed down through the ages that have no basis in fact, and were originally told told by authors who weren't there at the time and couldn't have possibly known what they were talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Oh, it doesn’t have to be repeated we get it loud and clear that you want special treatment for your beliefs and don’t care about others. You made that very clear.

Is the statement all religions are myths offensive?

Is the statement ‘all religions are myths except for blank” offensive? Or only unless your religion is in the blank spot?

Whenever you lose an argument you come back to this. We're going in circles now.

Nobody is demanding special treatment for any religion.

We're demanding RESPECT for all living religions. Sing it with me. RESPECT. We're asking you to stop with the dumb and childish insults.

And yes, you've been told many times that calling any or all living religions "myths" is disrespectful and insulting. How many more times does this need to be repeated? Can you not grasp this simple logic of democratic exchange, or are the tenets of respectful modern discourse beyond your understanding?

What is a “living” religion? It has been posted here that plenty of people believe in things you call myths.

In addition, plenty of people believe all religions are myths. Do they not deserve the same respect? Why do they have to be quiet?

For the record, if the word “myth” is so problematic I will drop it. How should you prefer I express my beliefs on religion here?

Why don’t you just say it : you don’t want to see the point because you want to keep offending people.

A normal, non-bigoted person would quickly grasp the difference between thinking something is a myth and actually saying that, virtually or in person, to somebody’s face.

kinda like someone saying to your face that you're going to go to hell if you don't accept jesus?

Who told you you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus?

family member

Ok, so you have a family member that is a jerk. Have any other Christian people told you to your face you are “going to hell?”

It sounds like you have a family member who is awful, and that happens.

But you do realize that you can’t judge every Christian negatively because of your family member? What your family member said is their opinion. It’s not the opinion of every Christian. And because no other Christian has said that to you- it’s not the action of every Christian.

I can’t imagine what kind of dysfunctional society would exist today if we judged millions of people based on the actions of one person. You realize you are allowing one jerk to influence your entire worldview, right?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Oh, it doesn’t have to be repeated we get it loud and clear that you want special treatment for your beliefs and don’t care about others. You made that very clear.

Is the statement all religions are myths offensive?

Is the statement ‘all religions are myths except for blank” offensive? Or only unless your religion is in the blank spot?

Whenever you lose an argument you come back to this. We're going in circles now.

Nobody is demanding special treatment for any religion.

We're demanding RESPECT for all living religions. Sing it with me. RESPECT. We're asking you to stop with the dumb and childish insults.

And yes, you've been told many times that calling any or all living religions "myths" is disrespectful and insulting. How many more times does this need to be repeated? Can you not grasp this simple logic of democratic exchange, or are the tenets of respectful modern discourse beyond your understanding?

What is a “living” religion? It has been posted here that plenty of people believe in things you call myths.

In addition, plenty of people believe all religions are myths. Do they not deserve the same respect? Why do they have to be quiet?

For the record, if the word “myth” is so problematic I will drop it. How should you prefer I express my beliefs on religion here?

Why don’t you just say it : you don’t want to see the point because you want to keep offending people.

A normal, non-bigoted person would quickly grasp the difference between thinking something is a myth and actually saying that, virtually or in person, to somebody’s face.

kinda like someone saying to your face that you're going to go to hell if you don't accept jesus?

Who told you you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus?

family member

Ok, so you have a family member that is a jerk. Have any other Christian people told you to your face you are “going to hell?”

It sounds like you have a family member who is awful, and that happens.

But you do realize that you can’t judge every Christian negatively because of your family member? What your family member said is their opinion. It’s not the opinion of every Christian. And because no other Christian has said that to you- it’s not the action of every Christian.

I can’t imagine what kind of dysfunctional society would exist today if we judged millions of people based on the actions of one person. You realize you are allowing one jerk to influence your entire worldview, right?

NP. It is not one random Christian. This is central to the worldview of many sects (Christian and not). There will always be people who say this to you. People will say it causally - not so much “you are going to hell” but rather “only through Christ can you be saved and go to heaven in the afterlife.” It’s ok. It’s their belief system. But please believe us when we tell you this is not one isolated person somewhere. It is part of what makes family dynamics so hard for me and many others. I don’t want that message for my kids just like you don’t want your atheist family members telling you kid that religion is a myth. But it’s the truth of what family members believe whether they share it rudely or not and so we have to deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a myth and there is no evidence any of them are true.

^^^ Typical. Instead of addressing the question of whether calling God/Gods a "myth" is insulting, here's an atheist hammering on the reductive, analysis-free, childish insults.

Maybe off topic, but it’s a concise statement that isn’t childish or insulting. Nothing wrong with it.

DP.

It's like me calling you "childish." No explanation, no rationale, just random ad hominems. Even if it's true.

You don’t need extra, flowery words when stating basic facts: “there is no evidence”.

So say "there is no evidence" and people of faith will nod and say you're right, it's about faith. Calling it a "myth" is another level of rudeness.

It's the same thing. There is no evidence = it's a myth. All myths rely on "faith".

No, "myth" is insulting. It's putting peoples' faith on par with Santa Claus, as OP's gotcha in her OP clearly tried to do.

As we've all learned in the past few years, if we didn't know it before: if somebody tells you they're insulted, then it's insulting. You don't get to decide whether somebody else should be insulted by your words or deeds.

I think it’s more on par with Zeus, Odin, etc. Gods who people worshipped.

True, the Greek pantheon of gods were very real to them, and it was a religion. As was the Roman's religion which had many if the same gods by different names. True, these religions have fallen out of favor now, but the American Indians belived in the "great spirit in the sky" and the "happy hunting grounds" (heaven). These are no less respectable beliefs than the monotheistic religions that came out of the middle east.

I was referring to the Greek, Roman, Norse myths when I said all myths rely on “faith”. No evidence = myth.

So you're doubling down on the "no evidence" = "myth" false equivalence.

Again, what matters is context. If the people you're talking to are insulted by the word "myth," or by you comparing their beliefs to the Greek pantheon, then don't do it. If you want to refer to the Greek pantheon by itself and you're confident you're not talking to people who still believe it (are there?) then go ahead and refer to the Greek pantheon as myths--without thinking you're cute by dragging things people actually do believe into it.

This is so basic it shouldn't have to keep being repeated.

Oh, it doesn’t have to be repeated we get it loud and clear that you want special treatment for your beliefs and don’t care about others. You made that very clear.

Is the statement all religions are myths offensive?

Is the statement ‘all religions are myths except for blank” offensive? Or only unless your religion is in the blank spot?

Whenever you lose an argument you come back to this. We're going in circles now.

Nobody is demanding special treatment for any religion.

We're demanding RESPECT for all living religions. Sing it with me. RESPECT. We're asking you to stop with the dumb and childish insults.

And yes, you've been told many times that calling any or all living religions "myths" is disrespectful and insulting. How many more times does this need to be repeated? Can you not grasp this simple logic of democratic exchange, or are the tenets of respectful modern discourse beyond your understanding?

What is a “living” religion? It has been posted here that plenty of people believe in things you call myths.

In addition, plenty of people believe all religions are myths. Do they not deserve the same respect? Why do they have to be quiet?

For the record, if the word “myth” is so problematic I will drop it. How should you prefer I express my beliefs on religion here?

Why don’t you just say it : you don’t want to see the point because you want to keep offending people.

A normal, non-bigoted person would quickly grasp the difference between thinking something is a myth and actually saying that, virtually or in person, to somebody’s face.

kinda like someone saying to your face that you're going to go to hell if you don't accept jesus?

Who told you you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus?

family member

Ok, so you have a family member that is a jerk. Have any other Christian people told you to your face you are “going to hell?”

It sounds like you have a family member who is awful, and that happens.

But you do realize that you can’t judge every Christian negatively because of your family member? What your family member said is their opinion. It’s not the opinion of every Christian. And because no other Christian has said that to you- it’s not the action of every Christian.

I can’t imagine what kind of dysfunctional society would exist today if we judged millions of people based on the actions of one person. You realize you are allowing one jerk to influence your entire worldview, right?

Dude, I was just answering the question. No need to make a bunch of false assumptions about me and pontificate about it.