Dr. Duran must go

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in South Arlington. How come some schools in North Arlington, like Swanson, have ACT II offerings as described in the program of studies and we don’t? My kids would love that opportunity.

Which ones? We are starting in August

[Anonymous]

Kenmore has ACT II as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kenmore has ACT II as well.

So does TJ, so I guess Gunston is the school that doesn't

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

Not PP, but I recall that all too well. The Southies killed a comprehensive high school at the career center. Wasn't equitable, they said.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

And again, when was that exactly? And what would you have wanted/expected them to do?
And what about the other issues "southie" cited?

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

I've been around since about 2009. So just how far back do you have to go to prove your point?
And, actually, yes - I am unaware the south opposed a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site because they actually did NOT oppose a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site. There was division regarding the "how" and the on-site amenities; but they did not oppose a comprehensive high school. The SB squelched that original plan because of COST. And then SB decided we don't need a 4th comprehensive high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

Not PP, but I recall that all too well. The Southies killed a comprehensive high school at the career center. Wasn't equitable, they said.

They didn't kill it. Many did protest about unequal amenities. But they weren't the ones who killed the comprehensive high school. The SB did that due to exorbitant cost and other complications regarding land parcels.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

Not PP, but I recall that all too well. The Southies killed a comprehensive high school at the career center. Wasn't equitable, they said.

They didn't kill it. Many did protest about unequal amenities. But they weren't the ones who killed the comprehensive high school. The SB did that due to exorbitant cost and other complications regarding land parcels.

Well, the Southies spoke out against APS' proposals for a high school at the CC and at Kenmore. The board decided not to build there. Coincidence?

https://wamu.org/story/17/06/20/arlington-parents-school-district-odds-build-new-high-school/

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

And again, when was that exactly? And what would you have wanted/expected them to do?
And what about the other issues "southie" cited?

Actually the question is - having done nothing when the northern part of the county was severely overcrowded, what exactly do they expect from N. Arlingtons now?