Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has been heavily edited and many posts from people who clearly know a lot about guns have been deleted, while posts from people who admit to knowing nothing about guns or gun safety but staunchly defend AB remain.

This isn’t a discussion that serves to inform. It’s just a bunch of people ignorant of the topic having their groupthink carefully curated and reinforced.

Pointless.

Umm this the DCUM entertainment forum not the Guns Guns Guns forum.

[Anonymous]

Why is a loaded gun EVER allowed on the set? EVER??

[Anonymous]

calling it "a mishap" is so obnoxious

[Anonymous]

These discussions, among armchair detectives are always amusing and go off the rails when someone considers themselves semi-informed because of what Google told them to believe.

It reminds me of when they interview pundits about what and economic indicator will be, the day before it comes out. Or what the election will be, the day before we know.

It is a waste of breath, because in just 24 hours we will know, and their speculation becomes a moot point. But then the media covers why so many pundits were wrong.

It must be human nature or boredom. Like missing people or families who die mysteriously. At some point, when the qualified professionals are done investigating, the answer will be known. But into the vaccum that comes before, step a bunch of armchair sleuths. It is what it is. Stay off public forums if you can't stomach this level of amateur debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve worked on many movie sets and several things went wrong to culminate in an accident like this. Several people f-ed up. Alec Baldwin, as the actor, is completely blameless. No actor can or should ever examine the firearm.

Alec’s Baldwin, a producer on this film, may well bear liability however.

Thank you. The actor never inspects the fire arm. That’s crazy talk.
- IA member from unthread

Then an actor should never touch a firearm.

PP, it may be that in the future there are better gun safety protocols and less gun use on set. I hope so.

But that is a different thing than stating what the rules/protocols are currently. If it is not the norm for actors to have anything to do with checking safety, and to rely on those that are hired to do so, then there is no culpabiltiy here for AB. What you think SHOULD be, is very different from what actually is.

This is a guy who wrote the script, produced and starred in the movie. Sounds like there is not much he thinks he cannot do. Many men are like that.

Exactly, why would they rely on actors to know enough about a gun to check it?

Why wouldn’t an actor take on the personal responsibility of knowing that he/she is handling a dangerous weapon and learn?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has been heavily edited and many posts from people who clearly know a lot about guns have been deleted, while posts from people who admit to knowing nothing about guns or gun safety but staunchly defend AB remain.

This isn’t a discussion that serves to inform. It’s just a bunch of people ignorant of the topic having their groupthink carefully curated and reinforced.

Pointless.

+1 I’m guessing it’s much the same PR crew of people who reported on the now locked Hilaria thread that are now hacking away at this one.

[Anonymous]

Retired Armorer explains it fairly well. The set armorer according to the news put the guns on a cart somewhere until the AD got it, and gave it to AB. Is it possible someone tampered with it beforehand? Especially since it was a hostile work environment.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2021/10/24/alec-baldwin-live-rounds-john-patteson-retired-armorer-ndwknd-sot-vpx.cnn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has been heavily edited and many posts from people who clearly know a lot about guns have been deleted, while posts from people who admit to knowing nothing about guns or gun safety but staunchly defend AB remain.

This isn’t a discussion that serves to inform. It’s just a bunch of people ignorant of the topic having their groupthink carefully curated and reinforced.

Pointless.

DP. I mean, what does your Navy Seal background have to do with acting? Do you have any relevant experience to add? Or just arrogant irrelevancies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously can’t imagine how he feels. What a crazy thing to happen

I'm sure he's unbothered. He's a bad person.

Like you know him, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has been heavily edited and many posts from people who clearly know a lot about guns have been deleted, while posts from people who admit to knowing nothing about guns or gun safety but staunchly defend AB remain.

This isn’t a discussion that serves to inform. It’s just a bunch of people ignorant of the topic having their groupthink carefully curated and reinforced.

Pointless.

DP. I mean, what does your Navy Seal background have to do with acting? Do you have any relevant experience to add? Or just arrogant irrelevancies?

Why do you keep claiming pp is a Navy SEAL?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I just don’t see actors stopping and checking a prop gun every time it’s handed to them and the assistant director and armorer say cold gun.

I bet most actors won't mind checking, now.

Do they even know how to? I'd argue that the armorer should be there before the film starts rolling and walk them through it. I've had about 50 hours of weapons training with highly trained professionals that do it for a living. This was training for non-military, but official travel to a dangerous area, so we were trained with live rounds. A LOT of live rounds. 50 hours is not a ton, but I bet it's more that 90% of the adult population. On my own, I could reliably clear a Glock, a shotgun (probably), and a revolver. Something antique or replica? Very hard to say.

From my training I personally would not be comfortable using a weapon where the trigger worked without personally being walked through the clearing procedure. I don't think that is the same standard for actors on set where rule #1 is NO LIVE ROUNDS.

I am VERY sure that if Hollywood would consider having someone from the NRA do a gun safety course for all involved staff of EVERY film that used guns, the NRA would be happy to do so. But most of Hollywood would say “NRA BAD” so they would not involve them.

Why on earth would the NRA subject themselves to that liability?

They do it every day with their firearms classes

It really shouldn't be the NRA, which represents the gun lobby. The National Shooting Sports Association provides informative, non politicized informtion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has been heavily edited and many posts from people who clearly know a lot about guns have been deleted, while posts from people who admit to knowing nothing about guns or gun safety but staunchly defend AB remain.

This isn’t a discussion that serves to inform. It’s just a bunch of people ignorant of the topic having their groupthink carefully curated and reinforced.

Pointless.

DP. I mean, what does your Navy Seal background have to do with acting? Do you have any relevant experience to add? Or just arrogant irrelevancies?

Why do you keep claiming pp is a Navy SEAL?

Dp- read the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously can’t imagine how he feels. What a crazy thing to happen

I'm sure he's unbothered. He's a bad person.

Like you know him, right?

It’s well documented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously can’t imagine how he feels. What a crazy thing to happen

I'm sure he's unbothered. He's a bad person.

Like you know him, right?

It’s well documented.

Indeed it's well documented that he's distraught. Far from unbothered.

[Anonymous]

The Five reacts.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/greg-gutfeld-addresses-hollywood-hypocrisy-214923501.html