ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

with great power comes great responsibility....who would get this "power" - gtfo of here, hahaha

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

The advantage is getting your kid through the door.
They have the responsibility to then perform and earn the right to stay.

Spoken like someone with advantages. The kid who earned the right after getting through the door only had to compete against the subset of other kids who got through the door with their advantage. It’s how the world works and isn’t likely to change but it should still be recognized for what it is.

Your argument is predicated on the kid with the advantage not being highly qualified and competent.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

The advantage is getting your kid through the door.
They have the responsibility to then perform and earn the right to stay.

Spoken like someone with advantages. The kid who earned the right after getting through the door only had to compete against the subset of other kids who got through the door with their advantage. It’s how the world works and isn’t likely to change but it should still be recognized for what it is.

Your argument is predicated on the kid with the advantage not being highly qualified and competent.

+1 people care less if the kid is talented. If they aren't talented, it gets really frustrating to see for the others on the team that had to work to get there and keep their spot. Once you get to older ages, the opponents can quickly spot and exploit your weak players on the field.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

Yes, I am good paying money to travel across the country and then losing in the opening match of the playoffs. So is everyone else or they wouldn't be doing it. The point of these national playoff events is to be where the college coaches are so my kid can be seen. It makes little difference for that purpose whether they win, lose, or lose by a lot. We pay to attend showcase events all the time. Paying to attend playoffs are no different.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

The advantage is getting your kid through the door.
They have the responsibility to then perform and earn the right to stay.

Spoken like someone with advantages. The kid who earned the right after getting through the door only had to compete against the subset of other kids who got through the door with their advantage. It’s how the world works and isn’t likely to change but it should still be recognized for what it is.

Your argument is predicated on the kid with the advantage not being highly qualified and competent.

No, my argument is we'll never know how highly qualified and competent they really are because they are only being compared against the subset of the other advantaged ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

Yes, I am good paying money to travel across the country and then losing in the opening match of the playoffs. So is everyone else or they wouldn't be doing it. The point of these national playoff events is to be where the college coaches are so my kid can be seen. It makes little difference for that purpose whether they win, lose, or lose by a lot. We pay to attend showcase events all the time. Paying to attend playoffs are no different.

+1. This is why FVU should have been limited to the boys. There was no good reason to combine the girls. As far as I can tell NM and club management want to be nationally competitive but that's not what parents want as PP correctly explained.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

Yes, I am good paying money to travel across the country and then losing in the opening match of the playoffs. So is everyone else or they wouldn't be doing it. The point of these national playoff events is to be where the college coaches are so my kid can be seen. It makes little difference for that purpose whether they win, lose, or lose by a lot. We pay to attend showcase events all the time. Paying to attend playoffs are no different.

spoken like someone who has never won anything in life, pretty much summed up participation trophy mentality

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

Yes, I am good paying money to travel across the country and then losing in the opening match of the playoffs. So is everyone else or they wouldn't be doing it. The point of these national playoff events is to be where the college coaches are so my kid can be seen. It makes little difference for that purpose whether they win, lose, or lose by a lot. We pay to attend showcase events all the time. Paying to attend playoffs are no different.

spoken like someone who has never won anything in life, pretty much summed up participation trophy mentality

Felt more like individual (vs team) mentality to me. This is the problem with the top-level teams at the top clubs - many of the players seem to be getting parent/outside advice to maximize their own touches and not play to help the team. Honestly, maybe they have the right idea, but the region as a whole gets less opportunities when players don't sacrifice for the team. I'd rather that my kids learn good values and a team mentality, but winning the ball and playing quick, two-touch soccer does not seem to impress area coaches as much as the kids who take more time on the ball, even when they lose it a good percentage of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

The advantage is getting your kid through the door.
They have the responsibility to then perform and earn the right to stay.

Spoken like someone with advantages. The kid who earned the right after getting through the door only had to compete against the subset of other kids who got through the door with their advantage. It’s how the world works and isn’t likely to change but it should still be recognized for what it is.

Your argument is predicated on the kid with the advantage not being highly qualified and competent.

No, my argument is we'll never know how highly qualified and competent they really are because they are only being compared against the subset of the other advantaged ones.

I thought their performances in practice and games showed their levels of qualifications regardless of how they got through the door?

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

Yes, I am good paying money to travel across the country and then losing in the opening match of the playoffs. So is everyone else or they wouldn't be doing it. The point of these national playoff events is to be where the college coaches are so my kid can be seen. It makes little difference for that purpose whether they win, lose, or lose by a lot. We pay to attend showcase events all the time. Paying to attend playoffs are no different.

spoken like someone who has never won anything in life, pretty much summed up participation trophy mentality

Felt more like individual (vs team) mentality to me. This is the problem with the top-level teams at the top clubs - many of the players seem to be getting parent/outside advice to maximize their own touches and not play to help the team. Honestly, maybe they have the right idea, but the region as a whole gets less opportunities when players don't sacrifice for the team. I'd rather that my kids learn good values and a team mentality, but winning the ball and playing quick, two-touch soccer does not seem to impress area coaches as much as the kids who take more time on the ball, even when they lose it a good percentage of the time.

Until colleges, academies and professional clubs start recruiting and signing entire teams, it's all about the individual.

A major part of soccer at older ages is IQ and tactical prowess. So if you show a lack of both by dribbling like a lunatic trying to impress, you're only impressing your dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

Yes, I am good paying money to travel across the country and then losing in the opening match of the playoffs. So is everyone else or they wouldn't be doing it. The point of these national playoff events is to be where the college coaches are so my kid can be seen. It makes little difference for that purpose whether they win, lose, or lose by a lot. We pay to attend showcase events all the time. Paying to attend playoffs are no different.

spoken like someone who has never won anything in life, pretty much summed up participation trophy mentality

Felt more like individual (vs team) mentality to me. This is the problem with the top-level teams at the top clubs - many of the players seem to be getting parent/outside advice to maximize their own touches and not play to help the team. Honestly, maybe they have the right idea, but the region as a whole gets less opportunities when players don't sacrifice for the team. I'd rather that my kids learn good values and a team mentality, but winning the ball and playing quick, two-touch soccer does not seem to impress area coaches as much as the kids who take more time on the ball, even when they lose it a good percentage of the time.

Until colleges, academies and professional clubs start recruiting and signing entire teams, it's all about the individual.

A major part of soccer at older ages is IQ and tactical prowess. So if you show a lack of both by dribbling like a lunatic trying to impress, you're only impressing your dad.

That's a cop out of an answer, not other sport recruits entire teams yet these issues aren't as prevalent in youth football, basketball and baseball/softball

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

Yes, I am good paying money to travel across the country and then losing in the opening match of the playoffs. So is everyone else or they wouldn't be doing it. The point of these national playoff events is to be where the college coaches are so my kid can be seen. It makes little difference for that purpose whether they win, lose, or lose by a lot. We pay to attend showcase events all the time. Paying to attend playoffs are no different.

spoken like someone who has never won anything in life, pretty much summed up participation trophy mentality

Felt more like individual (vs team) mentality to me. This is the problem with the top-level teams at the top clubs - many of the players seem to be getting parent/outside advice to maximize their own touches and not play to help the team. Honestly, maybe they have the right idea, but the region as a whole gets less opportunities when players don't sacrifice for the team. I'd rather that my kids learn good values and a team mentality, but winning the ball and playing quick, two-touch soccer does not seem to impress area coaches as much as the kids who take more time on the ball, even when they lose it a good percentage of the time.

Until colleges, academies and professional clubs start recruiting and signing entire teams, it's all about the individual.

A major part of soccer at older ages is IQ and tactical prowess. So if you show a lack of both by dribbling like a lunatic trying to impress, you're only impressing your dad.

That's a cop out of an answer, not other sport recruits entire teams yet these issues aren't as prevalent in youth football, basketball and baseball/softball

In football, baseball, basketball there aren't players trying to upstage others for the spotlight?
You sure that's an argument you want to go with?

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents with the means giving their kids all the advantages possible? What is surprising about that? It happens in every aspect of life not just club soccer. It happens in every country in the world not just US. If you were in a position to do it you would too.

if ur kid needs that much help to shine amongst true ballers ur kid is the ecnl/ga standard

ECNL and GA are not the same standard. Stop kidding yourself.

ECNL or GA it really does not matter. There are way too may kids who are in ECNL or GA who can't even run let alone play. It is more of a bragging right for kids more than anything soccer. Or the parents/coaches playing a dirty game taking kids who don't deserve to be there. And the poor kid does not even know her helicopter parents sneaked in behind other kids who deserve to be there instead. The result? Teams that can't perform and then you go to nationals and you lose 10-0 to a California team LOL. Parents need to focus on development for the long run until college not get their kid to ECNL or GA for Instagram bragging in middle school.

So your position is there should be fewer kids in ECNL or GA. By what mechanism do you wish this to happen? Do you envision a world where some authority gets to dictate how many teams are allowed in a certain league? Who and why would anyone get this power?

ECNL/GA and soccer clubs are businesses. They wouldn't exist if there weren't demand and people willing to pay for them. It's strange that you would want to limit them. Do you also want to limit how many restaurants or cars exist because there are too many bad ones? I guarantee if people didn't want more soccer teams and leagues they would stop existing. They exist because that's what we want.

It's a want vs need argument. Parents want as many ECNL teams in the area so their kid has a better shot of making "the top team". but just like you said, they exist because that is what you want and are willing to pay for as parents. It's not what the players need, and the more teams in ECNL or GA dilutes each team and makes it more difficult to compete at a national level.

LOL National level? As a parent why should that be my concern? What parent wants to limit their own kid’s opportunities for the sake of the greater good of the national team?

who said anything about greater good of the national team? I guess you're good with paying all this money to travel across the country and then lose 0-10 in the opening match of playoffs - cause that is what happens when we dilute the talent pool in the area with too many ECNL/GA teams.

Yes, I am good paying money to travel across the country and then losing in the opening match of the playoffs. So is everyone else or they wouldn't be doing it. The point of these national playoff events is to be where the college coaches are so my kid can be seen. It makes little difference for that purpose whether they win, lose, or lose by a lot. We pay to attend showcase events all the time. Paying to attend playoffs are no different.

spoken like someone who has never won anything in life, pretty much summed up participation trophy mentality

Felt more like individual (vs team) mentality to me. This is the problem with the top-level teams at the top clubs - many of the players seem to be getting parent/outside advice to maximize their own touches and not play to help the team. Honestly, maybe they have the right idea, but the region as a whole gets less opportunities when players don't sacrifice for the team. I'd rather that my kids learn good values and a team mentality, but winning the ball and playing quick, two-touch soccer does not seem to impress area coaches as much as the kids who take more time on the ball, even when they lose it a good percentage of the time.

Until colleges, academies and professional clubs start recruiting and signing entire teams, it's all about the individual.

A major part of soccer at older ages is IQ and tactical prowess. So if you show a lack of both by dribbling like a lunatic trying to impress, you're only impressing your dad.

That's a cop out of an answer, not other sport recruits entire teams yet these issues aren't as prevalent in youth football, basketball and baseball/softball

Did you not read the second part of the PP response?