ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:this was just posted on the MA chat forum... those who want the change will find hope. Those who don't will dismiss as scuttlebutt...

"I am a coach and board president of a town soccer club in NH. Nothing has been shared with myself, nor has it been shared with the President of NHSL. Doesn't mean anything one way or the other, just that the news has not been shared with our state."

Dude… it’s not happening.

The Facebook post has real people with faces to names and they are saying they’ve received emails in SC, AL, MO…
It’s a done deal bro. just not the deal you wanted.

Are you referencing the Facebook posts that point commit to no change for 25? If it's not happening why leave open 26?

It will always be open for discussion until it passes. If it passes for 26/27 then ECNL and GAL should try to implement the changes in fall 2025. They are only “revisiting in 26/27”….forget about it.

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what the age cutoff is, NO ONE IS PLAYING DOWN. Stop with this BS that any Q4 kid that would change teams/age divisions is doing so to play down. They would simply be playing their age bracket. How hard is this concept to understand. When things changed in 2017, was every Q4 kid now PLAYING UP? No!! They were playing their age division. The only way to play down is to falsify one's age to unfairly play in a league they are not eligible to play in. Good grief.

Won't a 2010 November kid start playing down with 2011's if it goes to SY?

We need to stop the up/down talk because people can't seem to grasp that the "up" and "down" is a relative term. Once you change from BY to SY, the entire reference system changes. A Nov kid wouldn't be playing "down" after the change; he'd just be one of the older kids in his new "true" age grouping. Yes the teammates might change, but that doesn't mean he's all of a sudden playing "down". Crudely speaking, playing DOWN is gaming the system to play >12 months below your age.

According to the rest of the globe and MLS, if you're a 2010 playing with 2011's (not allowed) you are playing down

ECNL world is apparently in a bubble

NO!! Ever hear of school year soccer/football in England and Argentina? Guess all those Q4 kids playing down as well. This is insane logic.

So November 2010 kid been playing with 2010's the past 8 years

They are forced to play with 2011's in SY, how is that not playing down?

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It was Aug 1- July 31 for the longest time. It is like that in many countries, including England. January kids have simply been playing down. Maybe if the January-June birthday kids were good...this decision wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, most are just RL players, only playing on the ECNL team, because they are playing down an age group with kids almost 12 months and a grade younger.

How are you January 2011 and playing U14's against other 2011's playing down?

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You are playing against kids born in December, a January 2011 (13 year old- 8th grader) is playing right now against a December 2011 (12 year old -7th grader). That is called playing down.

How is a December 2011 birthday, playing against a 2012 January birthday, considered playing down (less than a month age difference and same grade)?

So you think that 2-3 weeks provides a huge advantage? but 11-12 months doesn't?

You think You can just say two kids born in the same year are playing same age group yet one is playing down?
Are you certifiably insane?

It’s the same logic- people are arguing that under SY, their jan 2012 kid would have to play up.

Is someone born December 31 2011 a year older than January 1 2012? They are playing down bc born different birth years.

I am just pointing how stupid they sound.

That would be 1 day. BUT in the current soccer world, the Dec. 31, 2011 player on a top team likely has played a whole year longer and is currently in their second season at 11v11, perhaps with ECNL or GA or Elite 64 or National League, while the Jan. 1 player is just tackling 11v11 for the 1st time. Now can you see how some might see that asking that Dec. 31, 2011 player to now join the the Jan. 1, 2012 team as playing down? It's down in terms of experience and from where they current are at, not in age. That's why they should phase any change in with younger players, first.

No that doesn’t make sense.
So if I played my 2014s up in 11v11 next year - it would be unfair?

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what the age cutoff is, NO ONE IS PLAYING DOWN. Stop with this BS that any Q4 kid that would change teams/age divisions is doing so to play down. They would simply be playing their age bracket. How hard is this concept to understand. When things changed in 2017, was every Q4 kid now PLAYING UP? No!! They were playing their age division. The only way to play down is to falsify one's age to unfairly play in a league they are not eligible to play in. Good grief.

Won't a 2010 November kid start playing down with 2011's if it goes to SY?

We need to stop the up/down talk because people can't seem to grasp that the "up" and "down" is a relative term. Once you change from BY to SY, the entire reference system changes. A Nov kid wouldn't be playing "down" after the change; he'd just be one of the older kids in his new "true" age grouping. Yes the teammates might change, but that doesn't mean he's all of a sudden playing "down". Crudely speaking, playing DOWN is gaming the system to play >12 months below your age.

According to the rest of the globe and MLS, if you're a 2010 playing with 2011's (not allowed) you are playing down

ECNL world is apparently in a bubble

NO!! Ever hear of school year soccer/football in England and Argentina? Guess all those Q4 kids playing down as well. This is insane logic.

So November 2010 kid been playing with 2010's the past 8 years

They are forced to play with 2011's in SY, how is that not playing down?

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It was Aug 1- July 31 for the longest time. It is like that in many countries, including England. January kids have simply been playing down. Maybe if the January-June birthday kids were good...this decision wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, most are just RL players, only playing on the ECNL team, because they are playing down an age group with kids almost 12 months and a grade younger.

How are you January 2011 and playing U14's against other 2011's playing down?

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You are playing against kids born in December, a January 2011 (13 year old- 8th grader) is playing right now against a December 2011 (12 year old -7th grader). That is called playing down.

How is a December 2011 birthday, playing against a 2012 January birthday, considered playing down (less than a month age difference and same grade)?

So you think that 2-3 weeks provides a huge advantage? but 11-12 months doesn't?

You think You can just say two kids born in the same year are playing same age group yet one is playing down?
Are you certifiably insane?

It’s the same logic- people are arguing that under SY, their jan 2012 kid would have to play up.

Is someone born December 31 2011 a year older than January 1 2012? They are playing down bc born different birth years.

I am just pointing how stupid they sound.

That would be 1 day. BUT in the current soccer world, the Dec. 31, 2011 player on a top team likely has played a whole year longer and is currently in their second season at 11v11, perhaps with ECNL or GA or Elite 64 or National League, while the Jan. 1 player is just tackling 11v11 for the 1st time. Now can you see how some might see that asking that Dec. 31, 2011 player to now join the the Jan. 1, 2012 team as playing down? It's down in terms of experience and from where they current are at, not in age. That's why they should phase any change in with younger players, first.

No that doesn’t make sense.
So if I played my 2014s up in 11v11 next year - it would be unfair?

What you do with your 2014s has no bearing in my example. What I've heard what people are complaining about with the possible change is they don't want to by rule get forced to a new team that has younger players/likely less experience. I'm just sharing this example to illustrate the dynamics at work -- as well as the concerns -- of individual players within the current system. And if you think clubs -- who largely care about fielding the best teams possible and are reportedly limit younger players staying on their BY teams by rule -- are going to let that Dec. 31 stay with their team, I've a bridge to sell you!

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what the age cutoff is, NO ONE IS PLAYING DOWN. Stop with this BS that any Q4 kid that would change teams/age divisions is doing so to play down. They would simply be playing their age bracket. How hard is this concept to understand. When things changed in 2017, was every Q4 kid now PLAYING UP? No!! They were playing their age division. The only way to play down is to falsify one's age to unfairly play in a league they are not eligible to play in. Good grief.

Won't a 2010 November kid start playing down with 2011's if it goes to SY?

We need to stop the up/down talk because people can't seem to grasp that the "up" and "down" is a relative term. Once you change from BY to SY, the entire reference system changes. A Nov kid wouldn't be playing "down" after the change; he'd just be one of the older kids in his new "true" age grouping. Yes the teammates might change, but that doesn't mean he's all of a sudden playing "down". Crudely speaking, playing DOWN is gaming the system to play >12 months below your age.

According to the rest of the globe and MLS, if you're a 2010 playing with 2011's (not allowed) you are playing down

ECNL world is apparently in a bubble

NO!! Ever hear of school year soccer/football in England and Argentina? Guess all those Q4 kids playing down as well. This is insane logic.

So November 2010 kid been playing with 2010's the past 8 years

They are forced to play with 2011's in SY, how is that not playing down?

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It was Aug 1- July 31 for the longest time. It is like that in many countries, including England. January kids have simply been playing down. Maybe if the January-June birthday kids were good...this decision wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, most are just RL players, only playing on the ECNL team, because they are playing down an age group with kids almost 12 months and a grade younger.

How are you January 2011 and playing U14's against other 2011's playing down?

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You are playing against kids born in December, a January 2011 (13 year old- 8th grader) is playing right now against a December 2011 (12 year old -7th grader). That is called playing down.

How is a December 2011 birthday, playing against a 2012 January birthday, considered playing down (less than a month age difference and same grade)?

So you think that 2-3 weeks provides a huge advantage? but 11-12 months doesn't?

You think You can just say two kids born in the same year are playing same age group yet one is playing down?
Are you certifiably insane?

It’s the same logic- people are arguing that under SY, their jan 2012 kid would have to play up.

Is someone born December 31 2011 a year older than January 1 2012? They are playing down bc born different birth years.

I am just pointing how stupid they sound.

That would be 1 day. BUT in the current soccer world, the Dec. 31, 2011 player on a top team likely has played a whole year longer and is currently in their second season at 11v11, perhaps with ECNL or GA or Elite 64 or National League, while the Jan. 1 player is just tackling 11v11 for the 1st time. Now can you see how some might see that asking that Dec. 31, 2011 player to now join the the Jan. 1, 2012 team as playing down? It's down in terms of experience and from where they current are at, not in age. That's why they should phase any change in with younger players, first.

No that doesn’t make sense.
So if I played my 2014s up in 11v11 next year - it would be unfair?

What you do with your 2014s has no bearing in my example. What I've heard what people are complaining about with the possible change is they don't want to by rule get forced to a new team that has younger players/likely less experience. I'm just sharing this example to illustrate the dynamics at work -- as well as the concerns -- of individual players within the current system. And if you think clubs -- who largely care about fielding the best teams possible and are reportedly limit younger players staying on their BY teams by rule -- are going to let that Dec. 31 stay with their team, I've a bridge to sell you!

But your argument is that experience playing 11v11 matters…not age difference. So if I played my 2014s up..they all have a year of playing against 2013s 11v11…and it would be unfair for other 2014s to be forced to play against them?

It’s your logic.

(Does a December 2014 playing on a top team have an advantage over a 2015…maybe because they have been playing at a higher level. Not because of experience. I could start my kid playing with they are 2..doesn’t mean their age group should change.)
(A 2014 girl playing with a boys team..or a 2014 girl playing up on the 2013s also will generally be better ..doesn’t mean they should not be able to play with the age group anymore.).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this was just posted on the MA chat forum... those who want the change will find hope. Those who don't will dismiss as scuttlebutt...

"I am a coach and board president of a town soccer club in NH. Nothing has been shared with myself, nor has it been shared with the President of NHSL. Doesn't mean anything one way or the other, just that the news has not been shared with our state."

Dude… it’s not happening.

The Facebook post has real people with faces to names and they are saying they’ve received emails in SC, AL, MO…
It’s a done deal bro. just not the deal you wanted.

So, then, why not a single one of those other people post those emails they got?

Because so far it’s just all “I heard, he heard.”

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what the age cutoff is, NO ONE IS PLAYING DOWN. Stop with this BS that any Q4 kid that would change teams/age divisions is doing so to play down. They would simply be playing their age bracket. How hard is this concept to understand. When things changed in 2017, was every Q4 kid now PLAYING UP? No!! They were playing their age division. The only way to play down is to falsify one's age to unfairly play in a league they are not eligible to play in. Good grief.

Won't a 2010 November kid start playing down with 2011's if it goes to SY?

We need to stop the up/down talk because people can't seem to grasp that the "up" and "down" is a relative term. Once you change from BY to SY, the entire reference system changes. A Nov kid wouldn't be playing "down" after the change; he'd just be one of the older kids in his new "true" age grouping. Yes the teammates might change, but that doesn't mean he's all of a sudden playing "down". Crudely speaking, playing DOWN is gaming the system to play >12 months below your age.

According to the rest of the globe and MLS, if you're a 2010 playing with 2011's (not allowed) you are playing down

ECNL world is apparently in a bubble

NO!! Ever hear of school year soccer/football in England and Argentina? Guess all those Q4 kids playing down as well. This is insane logic.

So November 2010 kid been playing with 2010's the past 8 years

They are forced to play with 2011's in SY, how is that not playing down?

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It was Aug 1- July 31 for the longest time. It is like that in many countries, including England. January kids have simply been playing down. Maybe if the January-June birthday kids were good...this decision wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, most are just RL players, only playing on the ECNL team, because they are playing down an age group with kids almost 12 months and a grade younger.

How are you January 2011 and playing U14's against other 2011's playing down?

---

You are playing against kids born in December, a January 2011 (13 year old- 8th grader) is playing right now against a December 2011 (12 year old -7th grader). That is called playing down.

How is a December 2011 birthday, playing against a 2012 January birthday, considered playing down (less than a month age difference and same grade)?

So you think that 2-3 weeks provides a huge advantage? but 11-12 months doesn't?

You think You can just say two kids born in the same year are playing same age group yet one is playing down?
Are you certifiably insane?

It’s the same logic- people are arguing that under SY, their jan 2012 kid would have to play up.

Is someone born December 31 2011 a year older than January 1 2012? They are playing down bc born different birth years.

I am just pointing how stupid they sound.

That would be 1 day. BUT in the current soccer world, the Dec. 31, 2011 player on a top team likely has played a whole year longer and is currently in their second season at 11v11, perhaps with ECNL or GA or Elite 64 or National League, while the Jan. 1 player is just tackling 11v11 for the 1st time. Now can you see how some might see that asking that Dec. 31, 2011 player to now join the the Jan. 1, 2012 team as playing down? It's down in terms of experience and from where they current are at, not in age. That's why they should phase any change in with younger players, first.

No that doesn’t make sense.
So if I played my 2014s up in 11v11 next year - it would be unfair?

What you do with your 2014s has no bearing in my example. What I've heard what people are complaining about with the possible change is they don't want to by rule get forced to a new team that has younger players/likely less experience. I'm just sharing this example to illustrate the dynamics at work -- as well as the concerns -- of individual players within the current system. And if you think clubs -- who largely care about fielding the best teams possible and are reportedly limit younger players staying on their BY teams by rule -- are going to let that Dec. 31 stay with their team, I've a bridge to sell you!

I have not run into that problem. If your the top 3-4 players on the next year up..your club should let you play up. Should at least train with the olders. If not, I would find a new club.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't going to August 1st or July 1st just shift who is now Q1 and who is now Q4?

So there will always be a 11+ months difference between the oldest and the youngest in a SY grade?

Yes. The only reason it was changed was to get more January birthdays on the USYNT. Those kids were not the best players on their team..so they didn’t get noticed. By moving to birth year/ those kids now appear to be better. They should move to SY to increase participation and 7v7 sided games until u13, to make the RAE less influential. Would probably be good to move to teams every two age groups. U7, U9, etc. that way younger one year and older the next. Forced to develop different skills.

Do you have anything at all from US Soccer to backup this conspiracy theory?

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I was in favor of the SY change, it isn't happening though. The pro SY people here who are now pushing conspiracies and #fakenews messages claiming hacks and the like are really embarrassing.

All this could have been resolved with US Soccer, ECNL, etc. issuing a statement. The roll out/leak is such an embarrassment for youth soccer in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:For club players their last chance to impress is their junior year season. For Trapped players they basically dont have a normal team to play on and have to hope that they have been spotted in their sophomore year.

Trapped players don’t lose their junior season….

Yes they do. Why you ask? Because during their prime recruiting year when they should be at showcases, they are on a team full of seniors who are focussed elsewhere and bail out- especially if they have decided they don’t want to play in college. They don’t want to go to showcases (too busy studying for SAT, applications etc) and they just don’t care by that point. The junior player is at the beck and call of a team of checked out seniors. Could they go find another club. Of course! But it would still be with seniors who in a different life stage with different priorities. They can’t even get the seniors out to practice 3 days a week much less travel to all the showcases-especially those in March- May which should be the prime time for the junior. It’s an albatross being on a senior team when you are not a senior.

[Anonymous]

MSYSA (Maryland)
There will be no change for the coming 2025/26 seasonal year (begins August 1, 2025).
Starting in the fall of 2026, members and leagues will have reasonable flexibility to choose the best registration option for their participants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MSYSA (Maryland)
There will be no change for the coming 2025/26 seasonal year (begins August 1, 2025).
Starting in the fall of 2026, members and leagues will have reasonable flexibility to choose the best registration option for their participants.

Is that the entirety of the message?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MSYSA (Maryland)
There will be no change for the coming 2025/26 seasonal year (begins August 1, 2025).
Starting in the fall of 2026, members and leagues will have reasonable flexibility to choose the best registration option for their participants.

Another MSYSA. Does that one have the typo too?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't going to August 1st or July 1st just shift who is now Q1 and who is now Q4?

So there will always be a 11+ months difference between the oldest and the youngest in a SY grade?

Yes. The only reason it was changed was to get more January birthdays on the USYNT. Those kids were not the best players on their team..so they didn’t get noticed. By moving to birth year/ those kids now appear to be better. They should move to SY to increase participation and 7v7 sided games until u13, to make the RAE less influential. Would probably be good to move to teams every two age groups. U7, U9, etc. that way younger one year and older the next. Forced to develop different skills.

Do you have anything at all from US Soccer to backup this conspiracy theory?

Pitch to Pro Ep 31 podcast, minute 8:30. It was mentioned what seems about 100 pages back...last week.

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Michigan. Missouri. Maryland.

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We need to know if it has the typo!