Why is the Foxhall Community Citizens Association scared of public school children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see a lot of FCCA donors in Frumin's reported take:

https://dcgeekery.com/dc-campaign-finance/2022/council-ward-3/frumin/points

I think that is a canard being thrown by some supporters of other candidates.

Campaign contributions, thankfully, are not everything. What was being referenced in this case is his response to a misleading screed by a long-time opponent of the new DCPS schools that not only failed to correct the various misrepresentations in the original e-mail but then presented proposals designed to appeal to those who harbor fears based on those misrepresentations (such as the poster above who claims that Foxhall ES will filled with "kids from Stoddert/Glover Park").

I think the point is, one can have a view that is sound, that isn't because of the FCCA. In this case, it is clear Mr. Frumin has basically zero donations from the Foxhall area, despite taking the largest amount of donations in the race. So the idea of cynically ascribing his view as pandering to the Foxhall NIMBYs is a false narrative.

Please apprise the readership where anyone said that Matt was staking out these irresponsible positions because he had FCCA donors. You can’t because no one said it. Stop putting words in people’s mouths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see a lot of FCCA donors in Frumin's reported take:

https://dcgeekery.com/dc-campaign-finance/2022/council-ward-3/frumin/points

I think that is a canard being thrown by some supporters of other candidates.

Campaign contributions, thankfully, are not everything. What was being referenced in this case is his response to a misleading screed by a long-time opponent of the new DCPS schools that not only failed to correct the various misrepresentations in the original e-mail but then presented proposals designed to appeal to those who harbor fears based on those misrepresentations (such as the poster above who claims that Foxhall ES will filled with "kids from Stoddert/Glover Park").

I think the point is, one can have a view that is sound, that isn't because of the FCCA. In this case, it is clear Mr. Frumin has basically zero donations from the Foxhall area, despite taking the largest amount of donations in the race. So the idea of cynically ascribing his view as pandering to the Foxhall NIMBYs is a false narrative.

Pandering doesn't mean taking donations. The Foxhallers have a completely bullshit position and Frumin is failing to call bullshit on them, but instead saying "well, they might have a point, let's try to find a compromise." You can't compromise with a bullshit position because they'll just move the goalposts on you.

[Anonymous]

The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

Looks who’s joined the chat . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

There are four years in a high school. So that would be 360 students, a significant chunk of Wilson's population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

There are four years in a high school. So that would be 360 students, a significant chunk of Wilson's population.

And as also pointed out to the FCCA affiliate who posted their “factoid” about Jackson-Reed to various local listservs, the Hardy intake is growing rapidly.

6th and 7th grades are now 200 students each. In just a couple of years, it will be a lot more than 90 kids per year heading to J-R.

The incessant barrage of misinformation designed to keep public school children out of a particular neighborhood is extremely tiresome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see a lot of FCCA donors in Frumin's reported take:

https://dcgeekery.com/dc-campaign-finance/2022/council-ward-3/frumin/points

I think that is a canard being thrown by some supporters of other candidates.

Campaign contributions, thankfully, are not everything. What was being referenced in this case is his response to a misleading screed by a long-time opponent of the new DCPS schools that not only failed to correct the various misrepresentations in the original e-mail but then presented proposals designed to appeal to those who harbor fears based on those misrepresentations (such as the poster above who claims that Foxhall ES will filled with "kids from Stoddert/Glover Park").

I think the point is, one can have a view that is sound, that isn't because of the FCCA. In this case, it is clear Mr. Frumin has basically zero donations from the Foxhall area, despite taking the largest amount of donations in the race. So the idea of cynically ascribing his view as pandering to the Foxhall NIMBYs is a false narrative.

Please apprise the readership where anyone said that Matt was staking out these irresponsible positions because he had FCCA donors. You can’t because no one said it. Stop putting words in people’s mouths.

There were people in this and the other thread discussing the new high school that suggested Frumin was taking this position as deference to the Foxhall NIMBYs. Scroll back in both threads to see the posts. Given the paucity of donors from lower Palisades, it seems clear that Frumin's position is based on his experience with DCPS and not as some have claimed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see a lot of FCCA donors in Frumin's reported take:

https://dcgeekery.com/dc-campaign-finance/2022/council-ward-3/frumin/points

I think that is a canard being thrown by some supporters of other candidates.

Campaign contributions, thankfully, are not everything. What was being referenced in this case is his response to a misleading screed by a long-time opponent of the new DCPS schools that not only failed to correct the various misrepresentations in the original e-mail but then presented proposals designed to appeal to those who harbor fears based on those misrepresentations (such as the poster above who claims that Foxhall ES will filled with "kids from Stoddert/Glover Park").

I think the point is, one can have a view that is sound, that isn't because of the FCCA. In this case, it is clear Mr. Frumin has basically zero donations from the Foxhall area, despite taking the largest amount of donations in the race. So the idea of cynically ascribing his view as pandering to the Foxhall NIMBYs is a false narrative.

Please apprise the readership where anyone said that Matt was staking out these irresponsible positions because he had FCCA donors. You can’t because no one said it. Stop putting words in people’s mouths.

There were people in this and the other thread discussing the new high school that suggested Frumin was taking this position as deference to the Foxhall NIMBYs. Scroll back in both threads to see the posts. Given the paucity of donors from lower Palisades, it seems clear that Frumin's position is based on his experience with DCPS and not as some have claimed.

He's seeking their votes, not their contributions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see a lot of FCCA donors in Frumin's reported take:

https://dcgeekery.com/dc-campaign-finance/2022/council-ward-3/frumin/points

I think that is a canard being thrown by some supporters of other candidates.

Campaign contributions, thankfully, are not everything. What was being referenced in this case is his response to a misleading screed by a long-time opponent of the new DCPS schools that not only failed to correct the various misrepresentations in the original e-mail but then presented proposals designed to appeal to those who harbor fears based on those misrepresentations (such as the poster above who claims that Foxhall ES will filled with "kids from Stoddert/Glover Park").

I think the point is, one can have a view that is sound, that isn't because of the FCCA. In this case, it is clear Mr. Frumin has basically zero donations from the Foxhall area, despite taking the largest amount of donations in the race. So the idea of cynically ascribing his view as pandering to the Foxhall NIMBYs is a false narrative.

Pandering doesn't mean taking donations. The Foxhallers have a completely bullshit position and Frumin is failing to call bullshit on them, but instead saying "well, they might have a point, let's try to find a compromise." You can't compromise with a bullshit position because they'll just move the goalposts on you.

I expressed my view on the MacArthur High School thread early on. It is a horrible location, transit hostile and doesn't really solve any of the problems, other than providing an enclave public high school for Palisades families. In other words, it is a poor investment of city money and doesn't solve any of the stated problems. Does that mean I am full of BS or buying the FCCA line of crap too?

The reason Palisades likes this solution is that it takes their kids out of Wilson and essentially gives them their own school that almost no one OOB will be able to attend. While a win for Palisades, it is a net negative to everyone else in the city. That isn't equity or equitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

There are four years in a high school. So that would be 360 students, a significant chunk of Wilson's population.

And as also pointed out to the FCCA affiliate who posted their “factoid” about Jackson-Reed to various local listservs, the Hardy intake is growing rapidly.

6th and 7th grades are now 200 students each. In just a couple of years, it will be a lot more than 90 kids per year heading to J-R.

The incessant barrage of misinformation designed to keep public school children out of a particular neighborhood is extremely tiresome.

One of the things about Ward 3 schools is that the demand is very sensitive to quality. If a school has a reputation for quality people apply OOB, move inbounds, and choose it over private school. Conversely, if a school doesn't have a good reputation people move, apply OOB to other schools and go private. So school populations can change quickly. I'm old enough to remember when Deal hadn't been renovated, it had a mediocre reputation and had fewer students than Hardy has now. It only took about three years to fill the building after the renovation. The same thing is happening at Hardy, it's going to blow the roof off of Wilson if something isn't done.

Unless DCPS really screws it up the new schools are going to be great, they'll have no trouble attracting students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

There are four years in a high school. So that would be 360 students, a significant chunk of Wilson's population.

And as also pointed out to the FCCA affiliate who posted their “factoid” about Jackson-Reed to various local listservs, the Hardy intake is growing rapidly.

6th and 7th grades are now 200 students each. In just a couple of years, it will be a lot more than 90 kids per year heading to J-R.

The incessant barrage of misinformation designed to keep public school children out of a particular neighborhood is extremely tiresome.

Saw this come across the Glover Park listserv. Can this dude run for city council?
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As is customary at this point: this post contains false data and initiates (not spreads) misinformation.

The poster claims “only 90 students attend Jackson Reed from Hardy MS.” The poster then pretends to have pulled this information from a student newspaper.

In actuality, the referenced source says “only 90 students come to Jackson Reed from Hardy EACH YEAR.” The omission is not an accident when viewed in totality with prior public statements.

Moreover, while Hardy MS is currently 532 students, the sixth and seventh grades are close to 200 students each. And this is nearly a 64% increase from four years ago. So, judge the reported current ANNUAL matriculation of 90 students in context and with full understanding of the dynamics here.

I have attached a slide presented by the Hardy MS principal during an Open House held at Hardy on 5 November 2021 that contains these data points.

The lesson here: reject alternative facts; determine trustworthy and untrustworthy sources of information and form beliefs accordingly; be inhospitable to those who attempt to perpetually gaslight.

Demand better. Be better.

Troy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

There are four years in a high school. So that would be 360 students, a significant chunk of Wilson's population.

And as also pointed out to the FCCA affiliate who posted their “factoid” about Jackson-Reed to various local listservs, the Hardy intake is growing rapidly.

6th and 7th grades are now 200 students each. In just a couple of years, it will be a lot more than 90 kids per year heading to J-R.

The incessant barrage of misinformation designed to keep public school children out of a particular neighborhood is extremely tiresome.

One of the things about Ward 3 schools is that the demand is very sensitive to quality. If a school has a reputation for quality people apply OOB, move inbounds, and choose it over private school. Conversely, if a school doesn't have a good reputation people move, apply OOB to other schools and go private. So school populations can change quickly. I'm old enough to remember when Deal hadn't been renovated, it had a mediocre reputation and had fewer students than Hardy has now. It only took about three years to fill the building after the renovation. The same thing is happening at Hardy, it's going to blow the roof off of Wilson if something isn't done.

Unless DCPS really screws it up the new schools are going to be great, they'll have no trouble attracting students.

This. Right here. This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

There are four years in a high school. So that would be 360 students, a significant chunk of Wilson's population.

And as also pointed out to the FCCA affiliate who posted their “factoid” about Jackson-Reed to various local listservs, the Hardy intake is growing rapidly.

6th and 7th grades are now 200 students each. In just a couple of years, it will be a lot more than 90 kids per year heading to J-R.

The incessant barrage of misinformation designed to keep public school children out of a particular neighborhood is extremely tiresome.

Saw this come across the Glover Park listserv. Can this dude run for city council?
…………
As is customary at this point: this post contains false data and initiates (not spreads) misinformation.

The poster claims “only 90 students attend Jackson Reed from Hardy MS.” The poster then pretends to have pulled this information from a student newspaper.

In actuality, the referenced source says “only 90 students come to Jackson Reed from Hardy EACH YEAR.” The omission is not an accident when viewed in totality with prior public statements.

Moreover, while Hardy MS is currently 532 students, the sixth and seventh grades are close to 200 students each. And this is nearly a 64% increase from four years ago. So, judge the reported current ANNUAL matriculation of 90 students in context and with full understanding of the dynamics here.

I have attached a slide presented by the Hardy MS principal during an Open House held at Hardy on 5 November 2021 that contains these data points.

The lesson here: reject alternative facts; determine trustworthy and untrustworthy sources of information and form beliefs accordingly; be inhospitable to those who attempt to perpetually gaslight.

Demand better. Be better.

Troy

It’s a great shame he didn’t. Some of us tried to convince him but he didn’t want to do it for whatever reason. It’s a shame. He would make a great representative for the ward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

There are four years in a high school. So that would be 360 students, a significant chunk of Wilson's population.

And as also pointed out to the FCCA affiliate who posted their “factoid” about Jackson-Reed to various local listservs, the Hardy intake is growing rapidly.

6th and 7th grades are now 200 students each. In just a couple of years, it will be a lot more than 90 kids per year heading to J-R.

The incessant barrage of misinformation designed to keep public school children out of a particular neighborhood is extremely tiresome.

Saw this come across the Glover Park listserv. Can this dude run for city council?
…………
As is customary at this point: this post contains false data and initiates (not spreads) misinformation.

The poster claims “only 90 students attend Jackson Reed from Hardy MS.” The poster then pretends to have pulled this information from a student newspaper.

In actuality, the referenced source says “only 90 students come to Jackson Reed from Hardy EACH YEAR.” The omission is not an accident when viewed in totality with prior public statements.

Moreover, while Hardy MS is currently 532 students, the sixth and seventh grades are close to 200 students each. And this is nearly a 64% increase from four years ago. So, judge the reported current ANNUAL matriculation of 90 students in context and with full understanding of the dynamics here.

I have attached a slide presented by the Hardy MS principal during an Open House held at Hardy on 5 November 2021 that contains these data points.

The lesson here: reject alternative facts; determine trustworthy and untrustworthy sources of information and form beliefs accordingly; be inhospitable to those who attempt to perpetually gaslight.

Demand better. Be better.

Troy

It’s a great shame he didn’t. Some of us tried to convince him but he didn’t want to do it for whatever reason. It’s a shame. He would make a great representative for the ward.

He doesn't suffer fools, he'd be miserable on the Council.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Wilson school paper wrote in its most recent issue that only 90 kids from Hardy go on to Wilson each year.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0WD_EX1CdGCBupEQxpMCBwDSmMcK3fu/view

Is that true? If so, this new HS isn't going to help at all.

There are four years in a high school. So that would be 360 students, a significant chunk of Wilson's population.

And as also pointed out to the FCCA affiliate who posted their “factoid” about Jackson-Reed to various local listservs, the Hardy intake is growing rapidly.

6th and 7th grades are now 200 students each. In just a couple of years, it will be a lot more than 90 kids per year heading to J-R.

The incessant barrage of misinformation designed to keep public school children out of a particular neighborhood is extremely tiresome.

Saw this come across the Glover Park listserv. Can this dude run for city council?
…………
As is customary at this point: this post contains false data and initiates (not spreads) misinformation.

The poster claims “only 90 students attend Jackson Reed from Hardy MS.” The poster then pretends to have pulled this information from a student newspaper.

In actuality, the referenced source says “only 90 students come to Jackson Reed from Hardy EACH YEAR.” The omission is not an accident when viewed in totality with prior public statements.

Moreover, while Hardy MS is currently 532 students, the sixth and seventh grades are close to 200 students each. And this is nearly a 64% increase from four years ago. So, judge the reported current ANNUAL matriculation of 90 students in context and with full understanding of the dynamics here.

I have attached a slide presented by the Hardy MS principal during an Open House held at Hardy on 5 November 2021 that contains these data points.

The lesson here: reject alternative facts; determine trustworthy and untrustworthy sources of information and form beliefs accordingly; be inhospitable to those who attempt to perpetually gaslight.

Demand better. Be better.

Troy

It’s a great shame he didn’t. Some of us tried to convince him but he didn’t want to do it for whatever reason. It’s a shame. He would make a great representative for the ward.

He doesn't suffer fools, he'd be miserable on the Council.

This. He doesn't have the temperment to actually deal with people.