Subtle signs of class

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It is pretty cringeworthy that this thread has dragged on 32 pages...

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Anonymous wrote:It is pretty cringeworthy that this thread has dragged on 32 pages...

I think it’s hilarious.

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Middle class.

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I disagree. Are you unaware of how MM is being received in the UK currently?

Many of the qualities which served MM well as an actress (self-promoter, overly enthusiastic, emotionally expressive) in Hollywood are not helping her case with the British public. MM may be well-intention-ed, but she does not seem to understand how her actions are contributing to her negative press coverage and how she is being perceived. She is in dire need of a new PR strategy.

As I cautioned, I would place less confidence in anything I say about the UK vs America. However, I don't believe that the initial reception of a disruptive character is a reliable indicator of their eventual acceptance. The UK is in the midst of an identity crisis, and part of that crisis is the emergence of values that are typically American (individualism, self reliance). I think this puts MM in the Royal Family at a unique moment in history. There are also a lot of indications that the BRF actually wants MM to be different. The engagement photo is the best evidence of this.

MM is very disruptive, and will face strong opposition for a few years to come. If there is any truth to the rumor that Will is sleeping with Kate's bff, this could accelerate MM's road to acceptance.

MM's background gives her many distinct advantages over KM. MM will more readily perceive class-oriented differences in behavior than KM. This means that she will also learn how to correctly break the rules of her adopted class. Unlike UMC Kate, WC MM knows that to achieve native level fluency in her adopted class, she has to push the boundaries, which will make her more interesting, more daring, and ultimately more beloved by a nation struggling to find its own sea legs in a changing Europe.

Wait, what? Tell us more!

Well it shouldn't shock anyone if it's true, IMO. But the rumor is that he slept with Rose Hanbury, Kate's best friend, while Kate was pregnant with their third child.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."

I imagine horse people aren't the only people who do this but horse people LOVE a destitute but social prominent long term house guest. I remember there was a family with the fattest, grumpiest looking pony I'd ever seen and Linda Tripp was always watching because she lived in their pool house or something.

A long term house guest can also just be a really fun gay friend.

Have we established that either the host or “socially prominent” guests are UC? Because when I think of UC, I don’t necessarily think of Linda Tripp.

Fun fact. Linda Tripp lives9or did) in Middleburg and married the owner of the awesome Middleburg Christmas shop. He is an adorable elderly German guy and the store is amazing. She lives or lived in a beautiful farm some years ago outside the village. I know this because after taking several lessons with a wonderful young woman at this beautiful farm with fabulous stables and horses, I came to learn my teacher was Linda's daughter and that the house up the hill was "mom's house." So really, people, you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

No no, this was before that, like 1999 I think. I'm sure she wasn't literally destitute you guys. And omg I googled to see if I could find out who owned the pony but it must have lived forever because I'm pretty sure this is the same one, old and skinnier but with the same cranky face.

And that little girl in the video grew up to be this girl https://www.thecut.com/2015/09/lilli-hymowitz-prom-queen-of-instagram.html which, I mean, does it get more upper class than a magazine profile about your Instagram? It does? Oh.

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And that little girl in the video grew up to be this girl https://www.thecut.com/2015/09/lilli-hymowitz-prom-queen-of-instagram.html which, I mean, does it get more upper class than a magazine profile about your Instagram? It does? Oh.

Okay, these are totally the people on Say Yes to the Dress who show up with a $10K+ dress budget that they end up spending on a see-through Pnina Tourney gown!

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And that little girl in the video grew up to be this girl https://www.thecut.com/2015/09/lilli-hymowitz-prom-queen-of-instagram.html which, I mean, does it get more upper class than a magazine profile about your Instagram? It does? Oh.

Okay, these are totally the people on Say Yes to the Dress who show up with a $10K+ dress budget that they end up spending on a see-through Pnina Tourney gown!

That girl could buy a $100k dress and not even notice.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so ridiculous.

It's just stereotypes about Old Money WASPs which is a culture that has mostly died out and for good reason.

Really? Old money WASPs and their hangers-on run the big non-profit in the NGO sector. Plenty of them in DC, mainly Chevy Chase DC and Chevy Chase MD, also AU Park.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so ridiculous.

It's just stereotypes about Old Money WASPs which is a culture that has mostly died out and for good reason.

Really? Old money WASPs and their hangers-on run the big non-profit in the NGO sector. Plenty of them in DC, mainly Chevy Chase DC and Chevy Chase MD, also AU Park.

True but I don't think they are particularly impressive or aspirational. They live UMC lives with a little family money in the background but generally nothing to write home about (usually get educations and down payments funded but that's it).

I'd rather be a tech billionaire or hundred millionaire to tell you the truth. I think they are the new elite.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so ridiculous.

It's just stereotypes about Old Money WASPs which is a culture that has mostly died out and for good reason.

Really? Old money WASPs and their hangers-on run the big non-profit in the NGO sector. Plenty of them in DC, mainly Chevy Chase DC and Chevy Chase MD, also AU Park.

True but I don't think they are particularly impressive or aspirational. They live UMC lives with a little family money in the background but generally nothing to write home about (usually get educations and down payments funded but that's it).

I'd rather be a tech billionaire or hundred millionaire to tell you the truth. I think they are the new elite.

I want both.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, this thread is increasingly seeming destined to become a DCUM classic

We are debating whether UC WASPs go to Portugal and the class distinctions signaled by Pottery Barn vs. Stickley (as if this were a question).

Ha, the Stickley thing made me laugh, too. Now if it were an antique ORIGINAL....

I laughed upthread when the resident WC profile writer explained how the name Ashley turns into Trashley after LC parents adopt it.

Ashley was never UC (or “U” as the Mitford sisters would say). He’s a dude in Gone With the Wind. That’s the whole problem with the profile writer.

Good one. So I’ve been in a home in DC owned by descendants of one of the Mitford sisters. The few fine antiques are incredible, professional work is via non-profit / NGO as I posted previously, Ivy admission available ...trying not to be too specific here. High school of choice? Wilson!

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Anonymous wrote:You guys are so crazy. High class people live in all sorts of ways. Some are homeless. SMH.

Yes. Watch "Grey Gardens." Watch the original documentary first, then take in the HBO movie, of the same title, starring Drew Barrymore.

Upper class people can be cray.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the criteria listed by folks here seem so arbitrary.

It’s actually a whole code related to a mindset about preserving family inheritance and downplaying ostentation, so it’s a little more coherent than it looks on the surface.

There’s one poster who knows a fair amount but gets parts wrong (and won’t back down), and that adds a touch of arbitrariness. No, you don’t need to breed dogs and show them at Westminster, and in fact that’s actually a pretty middle class thing these days (watch Best in Show). Old money on the Upper East Side isn’t showing horses.

Daughters of billionaires seem to do this. I think there is a Gates daughter who does and a Dell daughter. Bloomberg's daughter as well.

As does/did Springsteen’s daughter.These are all new money, though, fwiw.

I know numerous UMC and even MC daughters in the DMV area who do this—DC’s classmates and friends’ kids.

The point is, show jumping/dressage is not a marker of old money, or “class” if you want, contrary to what’s been said here.

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Anyone who can afford it would do show jumping because it is the most fun thing to do with oodles of money. Those particular girls are famous because their parents are famous - there are PLENTY of older money daughters doing it as well. Also remember there is "competing in show jumping" and then there is being a national competitor and then there is the Springsteen/Gates level shit. Those guys invented a whole circuit of completely ridiculous events with insane backdrops - under the Eiffel Tower, on the beach in Miami, by the water in Monaco - I think just because Frank McCourt's new wife is into horses. You gotta have stupid money to do that and no desire to hold onto it. There are also a lot of international kleptocrats who get into it especially in Florida. Anyway you need a LOT more money to do that then you do to just keep a few nice show hunters in Middleburg, which is also pretty f-ing classy imo. A good way to judge is if the person jumps over 1.20m or does actual fox hunting (because those people are mostly insane/delightful). Both are legit. "Cynthia takes weekly lessons and recently purchased a Children's Hunter we hope can also do the Big Eq" is EXTREMELY LOW CLASS it's like the horse equivalent of Instagramming your new Camry or something or living in Rockville but you call it Potomac. Or living in Potomac, for that matter.

Anyway, do you guys know why so many Small Pony Hunters are gray (white, to you non-equestrians)? It's because they systematically kill the other ones shortly after birth.

Also guys there is a genuinely weird lady in Middleburg who may or may not have paid for a series of bonkers, dubiously factual magazine features about herself with a field full of pony clones. Not kidding.

wow a beach that's fun I guess


That's a Bloomberg and some Rockefellers and the Eiffel Tower, which I guess they like rented?


tfw Charlotte Casiraghi is also on your showjumping "team"

Our family friends are horse trainers/handlers for some of these billionaire American families whose daughters are show jumpers. They don't even breed the horses; they just train, care for, and transport the horses to these events on behalf of the owners.

They own 5 homes due to the insane amounts of money they make in this line of business - Malibu, Palm Springs, a ranch in Colorado, a house in West Palm, etc. They follow their clientele around the world and make ungodly sums of money doing so. They don't appear to have any equity stakes in these horses, they just give these families their time, knowledge, and expertise. And get highly compensated for doing so.

There's so many other billionaire and 9-figure families in the US (and around the world) that we haven't even heard of. So many of their daughters are trying to become show jumpers and their boys are trying to play polo. It's ridiculous and they have the cash to burn.

What do you think someone like Eve Jobs spends on her show jumping career on a yearly basis? I follow her on Instagram and she seems to be constantly riding at events all over the world. She's also currently studying at Stanford, but she seems to barely spend any time at the school. There's a bunch of tech tycoon kids at Stanford right now doing the same - jetting off to St Barthes, Vail, or Europe every weekend.

These billionaires are the true UC now. Forget what you’ve read about the parsimonious WASP class of New England. Most of those fortunes have run out and those that still exist pale in comparison to the tech titans.

They are rich, certainly, but this does not mean they have class. Class cannot be bought. And in this manner, the old breed ambassadors and descendants of well known dynasties reign supreme.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, this thread is increasingly seeming destined to become a DCUM classic

We are debating whether UC WASPs go to Portugal and the class distinctions signaled by Pottery Barn vs. Stickley (as if this were a question).

What’s wrong with stickler?

It’s hand made, all wood stuff (no veneer or particle board)

Super weird that you assume that Stickley was the lower class of the two. I guess you know what that means about your own class status

People were laughing at the suggestion that Stickley is a store worth buying from. I was wondering why they are scoffing.

Apparently because they don’t make “original” one of a kind furniture.

Personally I live Stickley and have bought a lot of furniture from them. My dining set was over 12k on sale.

Oh dear.

The Stickley poster has just proven she is very middle class. She may have money, but her core values are working class to middle class.