Harvard President resigns

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Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

See.... instead of resorting to the tired old, "racism" argument, these are the type of responses Claudine Gay should have included in her editorial.
Much more creative!

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Anonymous wrote:Being under a microscope isn’t easy for anyone.

Having every word scrutinized through the lens of the Israel/Hamas/Palestinian crisis is nearly impossible for anyone to navigate without controversy.

Bottom line: she didn’t handle her crisis well. She should have acknowledged something/anything remotely sympathetic to Israel rather than bizarrely digging in.

Harvard is running a business. She’s an at will employee. Nobody is entitled to their job…even if you are a minority. She became a liability following her testimony and the multiple incidents of plagiarism were too much to overcome. Why on earth would any employer keep her at the helm?

I’m breaking this down because I’m troubled by social media chatter trying to make this out as an unfair witch hunt against black women. I know I activist who says we need a new racial reckoning specific to black women since this conservative Lynch mob will continue to go after all black women in any position of power. It’s poppycock.

Well, it's pretty clear that SOME went after Gay in order to attack DEI and perceived affirmative action. Not exactly the same as a "witch hunt against black women", but certainly related to both her Blackness and her politics.

OTOH, others went after her solely because of the perceived tolerance for antisemitism and/or the bungled Congressional hearing (which was truly awful).

Others for plagiarism.

Others to go after "woke".

Good list. I would just add:

Others are going after "elite" universities as part of a wider GOP effort to dismantle what they perceive to be the pillars of progressive society (oh the irony since so many of the GOP rising stars like Stefanik are actual Ivy League grads)

“A reckoning is coming to higher education,” said Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), whose questioning during a congressional hearing led to the resignations of the president of the University of Pennsylvania and then, on Tuesday, Gay. [b]“This is just the beginning of exposing the rot in our most ‘prestigious’ higher education institutions.”)

I'm a bit amused because the last decade showed plenty of left wing witch hunts against people who defied their ideological narratives. Gay herself was part of this movement because she used her powers to nearly destroy the career of Roland Fryer at Harvard whose real crime was producing research that contradicted the left wing racial narrative surrounding the police.

That aside, for all of you decrying witch hunts, it also remains that Gay is a mediocre, third rate academic whose astonishing rise through the ladders of academia was despite extremely weak publication and research history and one that was already dubious back in the day with multiple red flags. Why are you defending such a person? It's hard not to see she weaponized her race and her ideology to deflect criticism and advanced despite mediocrity. Is she really the person you want to defend?

If people went after Gay because she was a symbol, they did have a point. She was the face of an ideological movement that hurt people and introduced its own forms of inquisitions and ideological intolerance. It was under Gay that Harvard was ranked as the school with the least amount of free speech. There is a revolt, both public and private, against the zealotry of DEI and it's natural that Gay, as a prominent figurehead for DEI, should come under extra scrutiny. And lo and behold, it turns out her background confirmed all the criticism levied against her.

Couldn't agree more.

I am in Europe with family now, and everyone is half surprised half making fun of how low Harvard has gone. The antisemitism thing can be mixed, but her obvious plagiarism and weak research leads to massive ridicule, which expands to the DEI trend.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

See.... instead of resorting to the tired old, "racism" argument, these are the type of responses Claudine Gay should have included in her editorial.
Much more creative!

It’s probably coming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

There is ample research to back up your arguments, including this useful, research-based chart compiled by The Smithsonian:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

Forget the concept of merit. It seems that honesty and integrity are values to be questioned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

There is ample research to back up your arguments, including this useful, research-based chart compiled by The Smithsonian:

They raise outstanding examples. For example, people keep complaining that Dr Gay "didn't write any books" and "only wrote 11 highly plagiarized articles" as though that has some kind of relevance about her qualification to be Harvard's president.

Why should she have to produce academic work at all? Should scholars even be held to displaying "rational, linear thinking" which Smithsonian astutely notes is a standard used to preserve the tyranny of white supremacy? We should be valuing Dr Gay for her inherent value and stop centering on these viciously racist, irrelevant issues that serve only to delay our equity goals.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

Forget the concept of merit. It seems that honesty and integrity are values to be questioned.

Who are we to say what her truth is?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

Forget the concept of merit. It seems that honesty and integrity are values to be questioned.

Who are we to say what her truth is?

Fair point.

What I don't get is, why doesn't she simply launch and run her own My Truth University as run it like say Liberty U? Why try to hijack Harvard instead?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

Forget the concept of merit. It seems that honesty and integrity are values to be questioned.

Who are we to say what her truth is?

Fair point.

What I don't get is, why doesn't she simply launch and run her own My Truth University as run it like say Liberty U? Why try to hijack Harvard instead?

Because in order to achieve a racially just society, we need to tear down the systems and structures that uphold white supremacy and the patriarchy. It's not sufficient to create new institutions. Existing institutions must be taken over, dismantled, and replaced. This is revolutionary 101 stuff, keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

Forget the concept of merit. It seems that honesty and integrity are values to be questioned.

Who are we to say what her truth is?

Fair point.

What I don't get is, why doesn't she simply launch and run her own My Truth University as run it like say Liberty U? Why try to hijack Harvard instead?

Because in order to achieve a racially just society, we need to tear down the systems and structures that uphold white supremacy and the patriarchy. It's not sufficient to create new institutions. Existing institutions must be taken over, dismantled, and replaced. This is revolutionary 101 stuff, keep up.

OK, now I get it.

But if that's the goal, why bother with Harvard? Why not simply take over the White House, Congress, the military and the border and to dismantle it all?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

I'm pretty far left, but your parody has made me smile

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

I want you to start your own thread. You can solve all the world’s problems.

Amazingly well done.

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Anonymous wrote:I suggest Dr. Gay is being held to a “standard” of scholarship that disregards her lived experience and historical trauma. These heteronormative outdated standards based on Judie-Christian dogma, reinforce whiteness, serve to promote capitalism, and strengthen the patriarchy.
What is needed is a inclusive set of standards that better reflect where we should be as a global community.

I agree, and moreover, even if the plagiarism allegations are true, it makes Gay even more of a heroine because she refused to submit to an inherently racist system. The mere idea that plagiarism can even exist strongly suggests that the "marketplace of ideas" is corrupted by capitalism, since all property ownership is theft. Why should this not extend to *intellectual property* as well? Gay was merely redistributing ideas in an equitable fashion to promote a more racially just society.

Excellent point. Capitalism itself is a western construct that relies on outdated concepts of “individualism” whereas other, more organic, more pure societies embrace a communal existence. Property and ideas that serve the good of the community cannot be simply owned but rather are held in trust by the group as a whole.

Exactly. It costs those other scholars *nothing* but their unearned privilege to share their work with Dr Gay. But rather than amplifying and lifting up a BIPOC, her critics are choosing to perpetuate a colonial oppressor mentality by spreading the falsehood of "intellectual property" and accusing Dr Gay of violating it.

So much work to be done. We have so far to go before people really learn that even the concept of "merit" is based on our cultural values, which cannot be trusted since they were incubated in a hellish cauldron of white supremacy.

Forget the concept of merit. It seems that honesty and integrity are values to be questioned.

Who are we to say what her truth is?

Fair point.

What I don't get is, why doesn't she simply launch and run her own My Truth University as run it like say Liberty U? Why try to hijack Harvard instead?

Because in order to achieve a racially just society, we need to tear down the systems and structures that uphold white supremacy and the patriarchy. It's not sufficient to create new institutions. Existing institutions must be taken over, dismantled, and replaced. This is revolutionary 101 stuff, keep up.

OK, now I get it.

But if that's the goal, why bother with Harvard? Why not simply take over the White House, Congress, the military and the border and to dismantle it all?

It's essential to target the youth and especially the elite youth, who will go on to take over all the institutions. It's far easier to indoctrinate a young person than to convince an older person. This is why so much effort is focused on shaping the information environment for the youth.