"No Labels" Party

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.

With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?

When you say, "Biden losing in the polls" are you referring to the WSJ poll that was trotted out over the weekend? If so...

Not really an independent poll, now, is it?

The same polls that had Biden up by double digit points on trump a year prior to the 2020 election. You know, the reason we were all comfortable with the Biden nomination in 2020. We are in a different place now. Point fingers and cast blame to whom ever you want. All I care about is keeping Trump out of office. I can't ignore the fact that the data staring me right in the face tells me Biden has less than a 50/50 chance of beating Trump in 2024. Considering Trump's history of over performing on election day relative to the polling data leading up to the election in both 2016 and 2020, I won't feel comfortable with anything less than a 5 point average polling lead over Trump. Trump is currently ahead of Biden by a point or two in the average polling data (same polls Biden led by double digit points in 2019). Denying or ignoring these facts will surely put Trump back in office.

There is no unicorn candidate. They all have weaknesses. A divisive primary would do way more harm than good. Always go with the incumbent. If the economy is strong, Biden will win easily.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.

I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.

Intellectualize yourself to another trump term if you most but most voters will say hell no. Hold the nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. That is what our elections are a lot of the time.

You keep thinking that most voters will say hell no, but you’re thinking as someone firmly in the Biden camp. The only thing I have less desire for than another 4 years of Biden is Trump part 2. The fact that your hook to independents is hold your nose and vote Biden is just really not persuasive.

IMO it is very persuasive. I am not young and I would absolutely say the majority of elections involve voting against a candidate rather than being thrilled with the democratic choice. That is just the way it is.

There are exceptions like Obama. Boy do we all miss him. And for me Clinton because I am raising some girls and I was excited to have them witness our first woman leader. Ugggg. Imagine is she would have won, where this country could be now.

But on we go. Trump is a such a huge repellent to many millions and rightly so. He is so bad he drives voter turnout to come out and defeat him which is unusual.

Imagine if Clinton had been nominated in 2008 when she was in her political prime and had no Benghazi or email server baggage? Obama left to gain the more experience he needed and then in place to crush Trumpism before it could get off the ground. Oh wait, that would all make too much sense for voters to be able to figure out.

FWIW Hillary would have easily won the Democratic nomination in 2008 if she had voted against the Iraq War. But she voted for it and the rest is history. It was the Iraq War vote, not misogyny, that cost her the nomination.

Narrator: It was mysogyny.

Say whatever you want, but I remember it all very clearly. Even with the idiotic Iraq War vote dragging her down like a heavy anchor, Hillary damn near pulled it off. Obama wouldn’t have even run in 2008 if Hillary had voted against the war. Pretty sure he has even said something to this effect.

Axelrod said it a few days ago in 2008 that they had a clear contrast point with hrc in 2008 that was fundemental for them and it was Iraq

People forget how much that primary was a single issue primary for so long

So what. How does she win in the general? Obama won.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.

I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.

Intellectualize yourself to another trump term if you most but most voters will say hell no. Hold the nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. That is what our elections are a lot of the time.

You keep thinking that most voters will say hell no, but you’re thinking as someone firmly in the Biden camp. The only thing I have less desire for than another 4 years of Biden is Trump part 2. The fact that your hook to independents is hold your nose and vote Biden is just really not persuasive.

IMO it is very persuasive. I am not young and I would absolutely say the majority of elections involve voting against a candidate rather than being thrilled with the democratic choice. That is just the way it is.

There are exceptions like Obama. Boy do we all miss him. And for me Clinton because I am raising some girls and I was excited to have them witness our first woman leader. Ugggg. Imagine is she would have won, where this country could be now.

But on we go. Trump is a such a huge repellent to many millions and rightly so. He is so bad he drives voter turnout to come out and defeat him which is unusual.

Imagine if Clinton had been nominated in 2008 when she was in her political prime and had no Benghazi or email server baggage? Obama left to gain the more experience he needed and then in place to crush Trumpism before it could get off the ground. Oh wait, that would all make too much sense for voters to be able to figure out.

FWIW Hillary would have easily won the Democratic nomination in 2008 if she had voted against the Iraq War. But she voted for it and the rest is history. It was the Iraq War vote, not misogyny, that cost her the nomination.

Narrator: It was mysogyny.

Say whatever you want, but I remember it all very clearly. Even with the idiotic Iraq War vote dragging her down like a heavy anchor, Hillary damn near pulled it off. Obama wouldn’t have even run in 2008 if Hillary had voted against the war. Pretty sure he has even said something to this effect.

Axelrod said it a few days ago in 2008 that they had a clear contrast point with hrc in 2008 that was fundemental for them and it was Iraq

People forget how much that primary was a single issue primary for so long

So what. How does she win in the general? Obama won.

It’s almost impossible for a party to win 3 presidential elections in a row. If Hillary had voted against the Iraq War and won the Democratic nomination in 2008, she would have been sworn in as America’s first woman president in 2009. There’s no doubt in my mind. That vote in 2002 cost her dearly.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

The only way Trump wins is if No Labels takes too many "independent" voters. The fact is, if Hogan is the candidate, then it will be a pro-life vote. I highly doubt many independent voters will support that.

I am an independent voter and I do not see Larry Hogan as a “pro-life” vote. Like Nikki Haley, he knows this is a losing issue and that there is no pathway to a national ban and will leave it alone. If I am in a booth and my options are Trump, Biden and Hogan I am going to have a very hard time not casting a vote for Hogan even though intellectually I understand that takes away from Biden. I just can’t believe this is what the Democratic Party had trotted out again.

Intellectualize yourself to another trump term if you most but most voters will say hell no. Hold the nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. That is what our elections are a lot of the time.

You keep thinking that most voters will say hell no, but you’re thinking as someone firmly in the Biden camp. The only thing I have less desire for than another 4 years of Biden is Trump part 2. The fact that your hook to independents is hold your nose and vote Biden is just really not persuasive.

IMO it is very persuasive. I am not young and I would absolutely say the majority of elections involve voting against a candidate rather than being thrilled with the democratic choice. That is just the way it is.

There are exceptions like Obama. Boy do we all miss him. And for me Clinton because I am raising some girls and I was excited to have them witness our first woman leader. Ugggg. Imagine is she would have won, where this country could be now.

But on we go. Trump is a such a huge repellent to many millions and rightly so. He is so bad he drives voter turnout to come out and defeat him which is unusual.

Imagine if Clinton had been nominated in 2008 when she was in her political prime and had no Benghazi or email server baggage? Obama left to gain the more experience he needed and then in place to crush Trumpism before it could get off the ground. Oh wait, that would all make too much sense for voters to be able to figure out.

FWIW Hillary would have easily won the Democratic nomination in 2008 if she had voted against the Iraq War. But she voted for it and the rest is history. It was the Iraq War vote, not misogyny, that cost her the nomination.

Narrator: It was mysogyny.

Say whatever you want, but I remember it all very clearly. Even with the idiotic Iraq War vote dragging her down like a heavy anchor, Hillary damn near pulled it off. Obama wouldn’t have even run in 2008 if Hillary had voted against the war. Pretty sure he has even said something to this effect.

Axelrod said it a few days ago in 2008 that they had a clear contrast point with hrc in 2008 that was fundemental for them and it was Iraq

People forget how much that primary was a single issue primary for so long

So what. How does she win in the general? Obama won.

It’s almost impossible for a party to win 3 presidential elections in a row. If Hillary had voted against the Iraq War and won the Democratic nomination in 2008, she would have been sworn in as America’s first woman president in 2009. There’s no doubt in my mind. That vote in 2002 cost her dearly.

Lots of doubt in my mind but we will never know. Onwards.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

Biden beat Trump in 2020. Yes he did. Trump lost. The GOP will have to try to play games in 2024 to have even a shred of hope for their truly terrible candidate. Trump is so weak, doubt that even no labels can do anything to help him much.

You missed PP’s point.

Pp thinks Biden will lose. What is hard to understand about that?

No. PP is saying that if something happens to Biden, there is no backup plan and no one is thinking about it. If, God forbid, Biden had a major stroke or died, Democrats will be SOL because they haven’t given any serious thought to that scenario. That is a huge issue.

If something happens to trump, the GOP has the same issue.

But the stupid GOP has been testing out other candidates!!!! God, the knee jerk reaction to a suggestion for the Democratic Party, but but but Trump like some adolescent trying to come up with an excuse for not doing their homework. Prepare to have someone who can beat both Trump and Biden. What is wrong with you people? This is the sort of crap that gave us Trump in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.

With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?

This country won't elect an amazing candidate. The Dems had kick ass hillary Clinton and she lost. America will only elect men and to beat wacko insurrectionist trump it needs to be a moderate that win the few swing states that matter. You don't seem to be able to learn that hard lesson from 2016.

To be fair, it took a concerted effort by the GOP and Russians in the form of misinformation, recruiting Jill Stein and spending a lot of time and effort to hack the DNC and weaponize and create emails to barely - by the thinist of margins, squeak Trump into office.

Are you denying that Trump was legitimately elected in 2016? Yikes.

No, I am stating truth. There were a lot of factors beyond just the regular GOP working against Hillary and she still almost won.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

Biden beat Trump in 2020. Yes he did. Trump lost. The GOP will have to try to play games in 2024 to have even a shred of hope for their truly terrible candidate. Trump is so weak, doubt that even no labels can do anything to help him much.

You missed PP’s point.

Pp thinks Biden will lose. What is hard to understand about that?

No. PP is saying that if something happens to Biden, there is no backup plan and no one is thinking about it. If, God forbid, Biden had a major stroke or died, Democrats will be SOL because they haven’t given any serious thought to that scenario. That is a huge issue.

If something happens to trump, the GOP has the same issue.

But the stupid GOP has been testing out other candidates!!!! God, the knee jerk reaction to a suggestion for the Democratic Party, but but but Trump like some adolescent trying to come up with an excuse for not doing their homework. Prepare to have someone who can beat both Trump and Biden. What is wrong with you people? This is the sort of crap that gave us Trump in the first place.

Who?

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

Biden beat Trump in 2020. Yes he did. Trump lost. The GOP will have to try to play games in 2024 to have even a shred of hope for their truly terrible candidate. Trump is so weak, doubt that even no labels can do anything to help him much.

You missed PP’s point.

Pp thinks Biden will lose. What is hard to understand about that?

No. PP is saying that if something happens to Biden, there is no backup plan and no one is thinking about it. If, God forbid, Biden had a major stroke or died, Democrats will be SOL because they haven’t given any serious thought to that scenario. That is a huge issue.

If something happens to trump, the GOP has the same issue.

But the stupid GOP has been testing out other candidates!!!! God, the knee jerk reaction to a suggestion for the Democratic Party, but but but Trump like some adolescent trying to come up with an excuse for not doing their homework. Prepare to have someone who can beat both Trump and Biden. What is wrong with you people? This is the sort of crap that gave us Trump in the first place.

Trump's lead does not suggest the GOP is "testing" candidates. Trump will be the nominee, whether he is just indicted, convicted or incarcerated, it is his ticket in 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.

With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?

46% of the country is locked in on Trump no matter who Dems nominate. There is no “unicorn” candidate. In fact, if he wasn’t president right now, people would be pointing to Biden as the kind of moderate candidate Democrats *should* be nominating.

From a policy standpoint sure, but are you forgetting how much of an effort it was last time to get the Democrats to not nominate Bernie Sanders, who has a zero percent chance at winning a national election? We also cannot be nominating octogenarians to be president regardless of their policies, full stop.

The Dems did not nominate Bernie and they won. They understand the compromise required to win. Can't say the same for the GOP

I don’t think they understand, they just got lucky. I have no doubt that if Biden wasn’t an incumbent we would be watching a Dem primary with some crazy-a$$ left wing candidate up against a more moderate candidate and the party would again be locked in an internal struggle over its direction.

If Biden wasn't a candidate, there would be a race between Nesome, Whitmer, Bashear and probably one of the crazy left wingers you hypothosize.

Have you looked at the slate of candidates outside of Trump? One is worse than the next, they are all prohibitively pro-life and most of them have some form of corruption in their background.

It’s terrible that the Democrats could have given people the option of Whitmer or Beshear and are trotting Biden out again. Biden was supposed to be the one-term bridge back to normalcy and yet here we are with Biden-Trump II.

A party does not give up the power of incumbency. Hasn't happened since LBJ.

I don’t know how much power Dems are getting from Biden’s incumbency.

There are a small handful of states that matter. Do they choose a moderate, experienced, albeit elderly incumbent or a forced-birther, insurrectionist loser to be the president of the USA? Geee...I wonder what they will choose?

My God! You don’t even consider the possibility for a 2024 election without Trump on the ballot. We are doomed.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

Biden beat Trump in 2020. Yes he did. Trump lost. The GOP will have to try to play games in 2024 to have even a shred of hope for their truly terrible candidate. Trump is so weak, doubt that even no labels can do anything to help him much.

You missed PP’s point.

Pp thinks Biden will lose. What is hard to understand about that?

No. PP is saying that if something happens to Biden, there is no backup plan and no one is thinking about it. If, God forbid, Biden had a major stroke or died, Democrats will be SOL because they haven’t given any serious thought to that scenario. That is a huge issue.

If something happens to trump, the GOP has the same issue.

But the stupid GOP has been testing out other candidates!!!! God, the knee jerk reaction to a suggestion for the Democratic Party, but but but Trump like some adolescent trying to come up with an excuse for not doing their homework. Prepare to have someone who can beat both Trump and Biden. What is wrong with you people? This is the sort of crap that gave us Trump in the first place.

If Biden can't run, the Dems have no choice by Harris, who would be on the ticket as the VP anyhow. Perhaps it would be Harris/Newsome or Harris/Whitmer, but that is where we are.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

Biden beat Trump in 2020. Yes he did. Trump lost. The GOP will have to try to play games in 2024 to have even a shred of hope for their truly terrible candidate. Trump is so weak, doubt that even no labels can do anything to help him much.

You missed PP’s point.

Pp thinks Biden will lose. What is hard to understand about that?

No. PP is saying that if something happens to Biden, there is no backup plan and no one is thinking about it. If, God forbid, Biden had a major stroke or died, Democrats will be SOL because they haven’t given any serious thought to that scenario. That is a huge issue.

If something happens to trump, the GOP has the same issue.

But the stupid GOP has been testing out other candidates!!!! God, the knee jerk reaction to a suggestion for the Democratic Party, but but but Trump like some adolescent trying to come up with an excuse for not doing their homework. Prepare to have someone who can beat both Trump and Biden. What is wrong with you people? This is the sort of crap that gave us Trump in the first place.

Who?

Biden can beat Trump but if no Trump, Biden will have a tougher row to plow.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.

With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?

46% of the country is locked in on Trump no matter who Dems nominate. There is no “unicorn” candidate. In fact, if he wasn’t president right now, people would be pointing to Biden as the kind of moderate candidate Democrats *should* be nominating.

From a policy standpoint sure, but are you forgetting how much of an effort it was last time to get the Democrats to not nominate Bernie Sanders, who has a zero percent chance at winning a national election? We also cannot be nominating octogenarians to be president regardless of their policies, full stop.

The Dems did not nominate Bernie and they won. They understand the compromise required to win. Can't say the same for the GOP

I don’t think they understand, they just got lucky. I have no doubt that if Biden wasn’t an incumbent we would be watching a Dem primary with some crazy-a$$ left wing candidate up against a more moderate candidate and the party would again be locked in an internal struggle over its direction.

If Biden wasn't a candidate, there would be a race between Nesome, Whitmer, Bashear and probably one of the crazy left wingers you hypothosize.

Have you looked at the slate of candidates outside of Trump? One is worse than the next, they are all prohibitively pro-life and most of them have some form of corruption in their background.

It’s terrible that the Democrats could have given people the option of Whitmer or Beshear and are trotting Biden out again. Biden was supposed to be the one-term bridge back to normalcy and yet here we are with Biden-Trump II.

A party does not give up the power of incumbency. Hasn't happened since LBJ.

I don’t know how much power Dems are getting from Biden’s incumbency.

There are a small handful of states that matter. Do they choose a moderate, experienced, albeit elderly incumbent or a forced-birther, insurrectionist loser to be the president of the USA? Geee...I wonder what they will choose?

My God! You don’t even consider the possibility for a 2024 election without Trump on the ballot. We are doomed.

Forgot also say and also give any consideration to something serious health wise happening to Biden such that he can’t run.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.

With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?

46% of the country is locked in on Trump no matter who Dems nominate. There is no “unicorn” candidate. In fact, if he wasn’t president right now, people would be pointing to Biden as the kind of moderate candidate Democrats *should* be nominating.

From a policy standpoint sure, but are you forgetting how much of an effort it was last time to get the Democrats to not nominate Bernie Sanders, who has a zero percent chance at winning a national election? We also cannot be nominating octogenarians to be president regardless of their policies, full stop.

The Dems did not nominate Bernie and they won. They understand the compromise required to win. Can't say the same for the GOP

I don’t think they understand, they just got lucky. I have no doubt that if Biden wasn’t an incumbent we would be watching a Dem primary with some crazy-a$$ left wing candidate up against a more moderate candidate and the party would again be locked in an internal struggle over its direction.

If Biden wasn't a candidate, there would be a race between Nesome, Whitmer, Bashear and probably one of the crazy left wingers you hypothosize.

Have you looked at the slate of candidates outside of Trump? One is worse than the next, they are all prohibitively pro-life and most of them have some form of corruption in their background.

It’s terrible that the Democrats could have given people the option of Whitmer or Beshear and are trotting Biden out again. Biden was supposed to be the one-term bridge back to normalcy and yet here we are with Biden-Trump II.

A party does not give up the power of incumbency. Hasn't happened since LBJ.

I don’t know how much power Dems are getting from Biden’s incumbency.

There are a small handful of states that matter. Do they choose a moderate, experienced, albeit elderly incumbent or a forced-birther, insurrectionist loser to be the president of the USA? Geee...I wonder what they will choose?

My God! You don’t even consider the possibility for a 2024 election without Trump on the ballot. We are doomed.

You really think the GOP is going to shut down the MAGA base at the convention and nominate someone else? Really? You don't understand the GOP very well if you believe that.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.

With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?

46% of the country is locked in on Trump no matter who Dems nominate. There is no “unicorn” candidate. In fact, if he wasn’t president right now, people would be pointing to Biden as the kind of moderate candidate Democrats *should* be nominating.

From a policy standpoint sure, but are you forgetting how much of an effort it was last time to get the Democrats to not nominate Bernie Sanders, who has a zero percent chance at winning a national election? We also cannot be nominating octogenarians to be president regardless of their policies, full stop.

The Dems did not nominate Bernie and they won. They understand the compromise required to win. Can't say the same for the GOP

I don’t think they understand, they just got lucky. I have no doubt that if Biden wasn’t an incumbent we would be watching a Dem primary with some crazy-a$$ left wing candidate up against a more moderate candidate and the party would again be locked in an internal struggle over its direction.

If Biden wasn't a candidate, there would be a race between Nesome, Whitmer, Bashear and probably one of the crazy left wingers you hypothosize.

Have you looked at the slate of candidates outside of Trump? One is worse than the next, they are all prohibitively pro-life and most of them have some form of corruption in their background.

It’s terrible that the Democrats could have given people the option of Whitmer or Beshear and are trotting Biden out again. Biden was supposed to be the one-term bridge back to normalcy and yet here we are with Biden-Trump II.

A party does not give up the power of incumbency. Hasn't happened since LBJ.

I don’t know how much power Dems are getting from Biden’s incumbency.

There are a small handful of states that matter. Do they choose a moderate, experienced, albeit elderly incumbent or a forced-birther, insurrectionist loser to be the president of the USA? Geee...I wonder what they will choose?

My God! You don’t even consider the possibility for a 2024 election without Trump on the ballot. We are doomed.

"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed and we will deserve it" ~~Lindsay Graham

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

This — assuming trump even manages to be a candidate. There needs to be a solid Plan B Democrat candidate.

With Biden losing in the polls now to Trump, just imagine how far he'd be behind if Trump was forced out of the race due to his legal problems, and was replaced by a more fit candidate? Why is our Dem incumbent behind in the polls to someone as awful as Trump? What are we thinking?

When you say, "Biden losing in the polls" are you referring to the WSJ poll that was trotted out over the weekend? If so...

Not really an independent poll, now, is it?

The same polls that had Biden up by double digit points on trump a year prior to the 2020 election. You know, the reason we were all comfortable with the Biden nomination in 2020. We are in a different place now. Point fingers and cast blame to whom ever you want. All I care about is keeping Trump out of office. I can't ignore the fact that the data staring me right in the face tells me Biden has less than a 50/50 chance of beating Trump in 2024. Considering Trump's history of over performing on election day relative to the polling data leading up to the election in both 2016 and 2020, I won't feel comfortable with anything less than a 5 point average polling lead over Trump. Trump is currently ahead of Biden by a point or two in the average polling data (same polls Biden led by double digit points in 2019). Denying or ignoring these facts will surely put Trump back in office.

There is no unicorn candidate. They all have weaknesses. A divisive primary would do way more harm than good. Always go with the incumbent. If the economy is strong, Biden will win easily.

I agree with most of what you're saying and this approach would make sense to me if Biden was currently a clear favorite to beat Trump. Biden is anything but a clear favorite to beat Trump at this point. The economy has remained strong throughout Biden's 1st term yet is currently not favored to beat Trump. We are on the brink of a consumer credit default crisis and the Fed is continuing with their tactics geared towards cooling the economy/job market in their efforts to tame inflation. Is a soft landing for the economy possible? Yes. Will the economy be better off in 12 to 14 months than it is now? Almost certainly not. Is it fair for voters to blame Biden for the out of control inflation or the consumer debt problem? No, it isn't. Will many voters in swing states misplace that blame on Biden? Yes. If you are suggesting the best way to beat Trump is by remaining in Biden's corner regardless of what the polling data tells us, I can respect that as a reasonable, well thought out opinion and it could very well turn out to be an accurate opinion. If your commitment to Biden is in part based on an assumption that he is very likely to beat Trump, you should know that the data is no where close to indicating a likely Biden victory over Trump at this point.