Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is trying to get ahead of what they know is coming. My student teacher got a job offer their second day of the student teaching arrangement. No interview, no recommendation, no sample lesson. You signed up to student teach for FCPS? You’re hired for fall.

The quality of these hires is going to be….iffy…in my opinion. I hope I’m wrong and desire carries them through the first few years.

Only two out of five of our student teachers even finished the school year last year.

Wait, what? They dropped out? And didn't finish their teaching degree?

They dropped out of student teaching. I assume they switched their major to something else.

Does anyone realize how insane that is? Student teaching is your last semester of college. I'm not even sure they can get their degree if they don't do it.That literally means years more of schooling because they thought teaching was so awful after spending four years preparing to teach.

It’s not that dire. They most likely have completed all their classes and requirements for the major so they might graduate. They just don’t get a teaching license.

Or they could have had a double major, and dropping one major isn’t going to impact graduation if the other major has been completed.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no data to support the claim that teachers are resigning more than other professions.

I’m happy to be proven wrong, but please post a link. A story is not data.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

The primary problems I see among the kids in my neighborhood and the ones on my children's sports teams are almost all related to poor parenting. These kids are held accountable for nothing, their parents jump in to rescue them from any adversity, and the kids are showered with things rather than given structure. Speaking to the parents at practice or in the neighborhood, I am disgusted to hear them blame others for everything their kids do. The kids aren't expected to take any responsibility for a single thing. The parents especially seem to vilify teachers and schools, which is wrong. Parents need to look in the mirror and directly at their children when evaluating whom is to blame for kids' bad behavior.

I watch my neighbor children intentionally litter their snack wrappers, and their parents excuse it, saying they didn't know to throw away their trash. If your 12-year-old doesn't know to throw away their trash, that's a reflection of your poor parenting.

The way my children's teammates speak to the coach and to their own parents is appalling. If your 10-year-old completely ignores adults speaking to them, that's a reflection of your poor parenting. If your 10-year-old can't even listen to the coach's directions for 3 minutes without rudely interrupting him or bouncing a ball against the wall while the coach is talking, that's a reflection on you as a parent (Before anyone jumps on me and says that some kids are not neutotypical, I am aware of that, but when 50% of the team acts this way, I'm sure it is not all because of neurodivergence.)

When my kids have invited their classmates to a birthday party, I have encountered kids (ages 8+) who have broken all the plastic forks before cake time, parents who have sent demanding lists of foods, music, and activities that their children like or do not like, kids who have thrown temper tantrums when I tell them they may not go through our personal items, and parents who just stand there watching their kids destroy other people's property.


If the above are the types of behaviors schools are encountering from both students and parents, no wonder the teachers are burning out! They must feel so discouraged and frustrated! I know I am, and I only have to deal with this nonsense a few hours per week!

Thank you for this. I am a teacher and 100 percent agree.

1 million percent these kids could care less what teachers and admin say and they care even less when their parents speak to them. Blatant disrespect and it's all day.

Respect has morphed into a dirty word in American culture. People now conflate respect with subservience, and of course no one wants their kid to be subservient. So they go all in with teaching kids to defy authority and entourage being “sassy” or whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

And then doing what for income?? Waitressing?
going back to school?
They are not qualified for anything else

I’m a teacher now. I plan on quitting after I earn a certification or two in coding. My son is teaching me now. He’s 16 and he says I shouldn’t be treated the way I am in a professional job. He’s a kid and he knows what’s what.

Ten years ago I knew, probably a dozen teachers personally as friends. Now I know one. They've managed to find jobs they like better without any issue; none of them have ever mentioned wanting to go back to teaching. The "doing what for income" poster is out of touch.

Like what? What are they doing? Wal-Mart? Volunteering?

Nope. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

The primary problems I see among the kids in my neighborhood and the ones on my children's sports teams are almost all related to poor parenting. These kids are held accountable for nothing, their parents jump in to rescue them from any adversity, and the kids are showered with things rather than given structure. Speaking to the parents at practice or in the neighborhood, I am disgusted to hear them blame others for everything their kids do. The kids aren't expected to take any responsibility for a single thing. The parents especially seem to vilify teachers and schools, which is wrong. Parents need to look in the mirror and directly at their children when evaluating whom is to blame for kids' bad behavior.

I watch my neighbor children intentionally litter their snack wrappers, and their parents excuse it, saying they didn't know to throw away their trash. If your 12-year-old doesn't know to throw away their trash, that's a reflection of your poor parenting.

The way my children's teammates speak to the coach and to their own parents is appalling. If your 10-year-old completely ignores adults speaking to them, that's a reflection of your poor parenting. If your 10-year-old can't even listen to the coach's directions for 3 minutes without rudely interrupting him or bouncing a ball against the wall while the coach is talking, that's a reflection on you as a parent (Before anyone jumps on me and says that some kids are not neutotypical, I am aware of that, but when 50% of the team acts this way, I'm sure it is not all because of neurodivergence.)

When my kids have invited their classmates to a birthday party, I have encountered kids (ages 8+) who have broken all the plastic forks before cake time, parents who have sent demanding lists of foods, music, and activities that their children like or do not like, kids who have thrown temper tantrums when I tell them they may not go through our personal items, and parents who just stand there watching their kids destroy other people's property.


If the above are the types of behaviors schools are encountering from both students and parents, no wonder the teachers are burning out! They must feel so discouraged and frustrated! I know I am, and I only have to deal with this nonsense a few hours per week!

Thank you for this. I am a teacher and 100 percent agree.

Maybe the public schools need to require parents go to "parenting school" for X hours before allowing their children to enter public school each year???? Has this always been a conflict b/t parents and teachers -- that kids are not sufficiently disciplined at home? I really don't know. I went to Catholic school for most of my K-12 schooling and we were taught manners like holding the door for others and standing up to say "good morning, Mrs.... " when someone walked into the room. In the rural states, the teachers are generally respected as part of the "more educated" people in the community. So, maybe there's less respect for school itself, and teachers in general, in an area where parents don't necessarily look up to or regard teachers as better than themselves.

While helping recently with my son's sport team practice, I did a little keeping of statistics.

1. I said good morning to each of the 24 children separately, using their names as well. Of the 24 children, all fifth grade students, three children said good morning back. That is three out of 24! The rest just looked at me.

2. As I was handing out snacks, the same three children who said good morning all said "Thank you," plus one other child as well. Twenty of the 24 children just took the snack and said nothing to me.

3. When the families left, fewer than half of the parents said a word to the coach or me. The rest just collected their children and left.


It seems that reciprocating greetings is a common courtesy that is no longer being taught by parents. That is unfortunate.

It seems that using appropriate manners, such as thanking someone when they hand you a treat, is also no longer taught by parents.


As a parent myself, I am disgusted by the behavior of several of my children's peers. The lack of respect for others, complete disregard for common courtesy, and lack of empathy I see among other children is horrific. I hate that my children are surrounded by rudeness and disrespect, but I also resent that these children are being raised in homes in which this is the norm, so that means their parents also act that way.

NP. I have a kid with ASD and attention issues and he doesn't say greetings, sometimes says thank you. What I have heard is that post-pandemic, 50% of children don't say greetings and have attentional issues.

I don't know how teachers do it. I appreciate them, good ones and bad ones.

Screen devices are a major factor in the inattentive problems. Have you ever seen an inattentive child not raised on screens? I haven’t. And I’ve dedicated 40 years of working with children and their parents.

You’re kidding, right? I know plenty of “inattentive kids” I grew up with in GenX. We had only TV and cable pretty much didn’t exist. You watched Saturday morning cartoons and maybe a couple of scheduled sitcoms on weekend nights. No computers. No immersive or affordable home videogames. No phones.

Please,

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are resigning because of MAGA crazies.

Book banning etc...

Sex manuals in kindergarten? I’m good with that.

Luckily, as you already know, “sex manuals” in kindergarten are not and never were a thing — just a fake Right Wing boogieman to stir up the conservative outage machine.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are resigning because of MAGA crazies.

Book banning etc...

Sex manuals in kindergarten? I’m good with that.

Luckily, as you already know, “sex manuals” in kindergarten are not and never were a thing — just a fake Right Wing boogieman to stir up the conservative outage machine.

*outrage, obviously

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are resigning because of MAGA crazies.

Book banning etc...

Liar. Democrats own the school board, hence the skyrocketing violence with no consequences and massive overcrowding.

Yawwwwwnnnnnnn.

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Anonymous wrote:Things are great here in New Jersey, where the median teacher salary is above $90,000 (versus about $65,000 in Fairfax County). Of course, we pay 2x the property tax you do.

How many years of teaching with a Bachelor’s degree does it take to get up $90k? Just curious. I’m in year 11 in my district and I’m around $81k. I should get to $90k by year 20. That’s nothing to get excited about.

If salaries aren't frozen AGAIN...

I have a MA+30 and have been teaching over 20 years, but only 16 with FCPS. I barely make $90K. I've had an MA the entire time I've been teaching and added the +30 about 15 years ago, so it isn't as though those are new credentials. We've had salary and step freezes so often that I am not on the step I should be.

I've worked for 30 years professional work and make $100,000 and don't have summers off. Teaching might be harder, but there are real other jobs that make this same amount. I think the safety issues are ridiculous in the schools.

Right, but if people aren't willing to do the job, then you don't have people doing the job. That's the bottom line.

It's a necessary job, so you have to get it filled somehow. That means more salary or better benefits or something. The benefits and salary are not too much if you can't find people to do it. Obviously -- and I mean obviously -- if it was that great a trade-off, people would go into teaching from other jobs instead of just saying it's a better deal. If it were, they would do it, especially with requirements loosened.

Not really. That’s what they said about grocery store checkout employees. Should we pay checkout workers 6 figure salaries because they had to work duri by the pandemic and deal with the public and other undesirable traits of their jobs? Nope. Self checkout!

Trends are moving in different directions. Traditional styles of in person teaching are fading away. Time to rethink education.

Great sounds like you are good with having no teachers at school. Enjoy

Many schools already are moving towards flipped classrooms where 1 teacher can record the lesson for multiple classrooms. Kids watch the lesson and then complete the assignments. Many times the assignment is graded by the computer. The teacher can hold office hours for questions or respond via email. Stride K12, Connections Academy, and many others have software based learning augmented by a teacher. We won’t need as many teachers anyway. This is the future.

This is funny after how you all SCREAMED that students needed to be in the building students need to build relationships with their teachers. "just look at what covid did to our kids" LOL

It was never about that. It was all a lie. It was really about having the kids somewhere other than their house, so the “WFH” parents (all of whom claimed to be in-person “on the front lines of COVID” on DCUM — another lie) could have their quiet house alone in peace.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop all the f*ck$n standardized testing on young children. Get big tech out of schools. Problem solved.

Not even close, but you are impressively confident in your wrongness.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop all the f*ck$n standardized testing on young children. Get big tech out of schools. Problem solved.

OMG enough with the standardized tests. That issue is long gone. There are way more tests in private school. FCPS barely has any now. They got rid of all of them. You sound like a mom of a preschooler or a grandma.

You sound like you live in your mother’s basement.

You can retire this dated, tired adolescent jab now. It just makes you sound stupid.

DP, homeowner

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Anonymous wrote:Covid lockdowns have proven to have been a huge mistake.

Look what happens when kids spend time with their families. Their behavior goes to s&%t.

You know that “lockdowns” and isolation are a form of torture. Most families couldn’t afford babysitters.

Good thing we never had a “lockdown” then.

And the ill-mannered children of DCUM parents weren’t the ones who “couldn’t afford babysitters.” They just refused to do so and threw entitled toddler tantrums instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Covid lockdowns have proven to have been a huge mistake.

Look what happens when kids spend time with their families. Their behavior goes to s&%t.

When my 3 year old couldn't visit her favorite playground for months, yep her behavior got worse.

How disgustingly, disgustingly privileged you are. Unreal.

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Anonymous wrote:Covid lockdowns have proven to have been a huge mistake.

Look what happens when kids spend time with their families. Their behavior goes to s&%t.

When my 3 year old couldn't visit her favorite playground for months, yep her behavior got worse.

What? When? The 2020 covid shutdowns? Your child could only develop appropriately if she had access to her one and only favorite playground in the whole world? You were unable to distract a three-year-old sufficiently? She won't even remember the deprivation now, if you mean 2020. Yes, kids need to blow off steam. No, your family should not be so very inflexible you can't take your child for a walk in the woods in the myriad county parks that were still open, even if playgrounds on them weren't. But I have no idea if your post means the brief 2020 shutting of some playgrounds because you didn't bother to give any context. Maybe you live in an apartment and hse needs outdoor time. Understandable. But...her favorite playground only?

This response is part of the bigger picture of what is wrong.

Plenty of people complaining about the state of kids and then when presumably a parent posts something that affected their child they are gaslighted with an essay response of incredulity.

Sorry teachers. It is not looking good for you.

The PP claiming her child is poorly behaved because she wasn’t able to “visit her favorite playground” over TWO YEARS AGO is positively asinine. Not a good look for her at all, or you for supporting idiocy and deflection of parental responsibility.

(parent, not a teacher)

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Anonymous wrote:^ I say this as a parent and a teacher: how your children develop and turn out is always on you as the parent. Always.

Teachers can influence behavior while at school for most. They just don’t want to be bothered often.

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