Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe how much ignorance about the AP course there is on this thread.

Yes. Suddenly everyone is an African American Studies scholar.

And apparently nobody is more qualified to determine what makes sense for African Americans to study but a white conservative dude from Florida

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White conservative dude doesn't like being reminded his ancestors were a-holes and so bans teaching about said a-holedom

[Anonymous]

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Now who's being political? Once College Board saw some pushback, then they speak out against the meanie Florida DOE. Sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Now who's being political? Once College Board saw some pushback, then they speak out against the meanie Florida DOE. Sure.

Not "meanies." Incompetent, racist, lying political hacks. Read the entire College Board statement

https://allaccess.collegeboard.org/our-commitment-ap-african-american-studies-scholars-and-field

The part specifically about the Florida DOE:

While it has been claimed that the College Board was in frequent dialogue with Florida about the content of AP African American Studies, this is a false and politically motivated charge. Our exchanges with them are actually transactional emails about the filing of paperwork to request a pilot course code and our response to their request that the College Board explain why we believe the course is not in violation of Florida laws.

We had no negotiations about the content of this course with Florida or any other state, nor did we receive any requests, suggestions, or feedback.

We were naive not to announce Florida’s rejection of the course when FDOE first notified us on September 23, 2022, in a letter entitled “CB Letter AP Africain [sic] Studies.” This letter, like all written communications we received from Florida, contained no explanation of the rejection. Instead, Florida invited us to call them if we had any questions.

We made those calls, as we would to any state that says they have unstated concerns about an AP course. These phone calls with FDOE were absent of substance, despite the audacious claims of influence FDOE is now making. In the discussion, they did not offer feedback but instead asked vague, uninformed questions like, “What does the word ‘intersectionality’ mean?” and “Does the course promote Black Panther thinking?” FDOE did not bring any African American Studies scholars or teachers to their call with us, despite the presence in their state of so many renowned experts in this discipline.

Since FDOE did not make any requests or suggestions during the calls, we asked them if they could share specific concerns in writing. They said they had to check with their supervisors and get permission. They never sent us any feedback, but instead sent a second letter to us on January 12, 2023, as a PR stunt which repeated the same rejection but now with inflated rhetoric and posturing, saying the course lacked “educational value.”

On the day after Florida sent us that second letter, the AP executive overseeing the process of developing this course—the only AP leader who participated in the telephone calls with FDOE—followed up with the College Board’s FDOE liaison to ask whether we should ever expect any actual feedback from Florida. This is the response:

“I don’t think they [FDOE] intend to provide any notes. My guess is that [the FDOE staff member] shared his notes with leadership (as he told us he would) and they shut it down. He might have even been instructed not to share notes.”

We have made the mistake of treating FDOE with the courtesy we always accord to an education agency, but they have instead exploited this courtesy for their political agenda. After each written or verbal exchange with them, as a matter of professional protocol, we politely thanked them for their feedback and contributions, although they had given none.

In Florida’s effort to engineer a political win, they have claimed credit for the specific changes we made to the official framework. In their February 7, 2023, letter to us, which they leaked to the media within hours of sending, Florida expresses gratitude for the removal of 19 topics, none of which they ever asked us to remove, and most of which remain in the official framework.

They also claimed that we removed terms like “systemic marginalization” and “intersectionality” at their behest. This is not true. The notion that we needed Florida to enlighten us that these terms are politicized in several states is ridiculous. We took a hard look at these terms because they often are misunderstood, misrepresented, and co-opted as political weapons. Instead we focused throughout the framework on providing concrete examples of these important concepts. Florida is attempting to claim a political victory by taking credit retroactively for changes we ourselves made but that they never suggested to us.

FDOE’s most recent letter continues to deride the field of African American Studies by describing key topics as “historically fictional.” We have asked them what they meant by that accusation, and they have failed to answer. The College Board condemns this uninformed caricature of African American Studies and the harm it does to scholars and students.

[Anonymous]

This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

The College Board looks pretty bad too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

The College Board looks pretty bad too.

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[Anonymous]

Sure, if you want to whatabout it, they both look bad.

Same can be said about the 1/6 insurrectionists and the guy who ran a stop sign on a bike. They both broke the law, but...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

The College Board looks pretty bad too.

They were operating in good faith and got bullied by a bunch of aholes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

Compared to the wokies trying to hijack AA Studies to promote intersectional queer whatever, being stuck in the 1950s is not that bad.

You do know that there was no slavery and no segregation in Florida, correct?

[Anonymous]

Florida enacted 19 Jim Crow segregation laws between 1865 and 1967. It also imposed some of the harshest penalties on record. The state also rewarded informers for reporting cases of miscegenation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

The College Board looks pretty bad too.

They were operating in good faith and got bullied by a bunch of aholes.

The Florida DOE is a state agency. College Board? They're a private company that sets the curriculum for high schools nationally - and charges a lot of money to do so. Without any oversight, until now.

The farther they step, the more they overreach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

The College Board looks pretty bad too.

They were operating in good faith and got bullied by a bunch of aholes.

The Florida DOE is a state agency. College Board? They're a private company that sets the curriculum for high schools nationally - and charges a lot of money to do so. Without any oversight, until now.

The farther they step, the more they overreach.

In this case the overreach was so massive they couldn't hide.

The revised AP class draft is clearly superior to the previous one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

The College Board looks pretty bad too.

They were operating in good faith and got bullied by a bunch of aholes.

The Florida DOE is a state agency. College Board? They're a private company that sets the curriculum for high schools nationally - and charges a lot of money to do so. Without any oversight, until now.

The farther they step, the more they overreach.

My eye roll to your post was practically audible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

The College Board looks pretty bad too.

They were operating in good faith and got bullied by a bunch of aholes.

BS. They thought they could stay out of it and still collect $$$. We all have been seeing what DeSantis has been doing, it’s no surprise. Appeasement to fascism is never an option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode makes Florida Department of Education look like they are stuck in the 1950s

Compared to the wokies trying to hijack AA Studies to promote intersectional queer whatever, being stuck in the 1950s is not that bad.

You do know that there was no slavery and no segregation in Florida, correct?

Who taught you that? Ron DeSantis?

In Florida, 44% of the population were slaves. This guy owned 100 of them.

"At the South, and with our People of course, slavery is the element of all value, and a destruction of that destroys all that is property."
—President John C. McGehee, Florida Secession Convention