Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has to have a new grievance to rally the MAGA zombies to the polls.

He likes fresh material, but just like the Great Pumpkin comes every Halloween, so too does the Caravan come every election eve!

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

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This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

According to reports, the Archives was concerned about the nature and subject of missing documents that were so sensitiive that they could not be itemized in the warrant. This isn't a fishing expedition, that isn't how the warrants work. Stop watching Fox.

Really now?

Yes, the reports really say that.

Wow, she has such credentials!

What are yours?

The GOP is freaking out before they have all the information. This is exactly what they do to bills. They vote everything down before reading and having all the information. Something like 23 FBI agents participated in the search. They have a duty to refuse illegal orders. I’ve known many agents and am pretty sure all of them are conservative. That tells me there is something justified in the search warrant. Wait for more information before calling for sedition as one FL state lawmaker has.

You people posted a photo of a paper in the bottom of a toilet bowl as proof. And believe it. I don't know how I can help if that doesn't even raise any questions.

That’s not was submitted to the federal magistrate who signed the search warrant.

Never said it was. I'm just surprised so many here just take things at face value.

I agree. That toilet photo doesn't prove anything, and sometimes I roll my eyes that some Democrats are as stupid as some Republicans. But remember that you get the scum of the earth screaming the loudest on social media about anything potty related, not the quiet, intelligent ones on either side thinking in terms of evidence.

There's many Republicans out there who wouldn't defend Trump to save their lives. Just like there are many Democrats who believe that toilet photo is "proof" Trump flushed things down a toilet.

And yes, as a party, right now the GOP is looking way more foolish than the other side. There's a "both sides" qualitatively, but not quantitatively!

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Question from me, a 5 year with regards to these matters.

Why is there still so much paper these days? Is a digital trail too prone to interception? I'm just baffled how there's boxes and boxes and boxes of paper intel these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's new slogan: Defund the Police.

Next up: defund the military because the military brass think Trump is an idiot.


GOPs 5 point plan of action:

- Defund schools because they are teaching CRT and they are full of liberal elites. GOP only want uneducate people in the country because they are more gullible and easily fooled

- Fund Russia's invasion of Ukraine, or at least, don't help Ukraine.

- Defund NATO, thereby letting Russia takeover Europe

- Ignore white nationalist terrorists and ban abortions so that they can reverse the "Great Replacement". GOP already don't want the DoJ to investigate white nationalists organizations since they make up their base.

- Destabilize our democracy by questionning the legality of the elections; overwhelm State board of elections with ridiculous FIOA (already happening in AZ), and threaten election volunteer workers such that they can put their own operatives in there, then they can overthrow the election results in their favor (failed attempt on 1/6, but try again till they succeed.)

Sounds like a political thriller plot, except we are seeing it IRL play out in the ranks of the GOP.

Sad but true. Is the Republicans' goal to hand over a weakened USA to Russia?

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Anonymous wrote:What is his excuse for having these documents in the first place? Why would he need to remove "top secret" documents from the white house when his presidency ended? what was he planning on doing them?

When Obama left he did not take stacks of classified materials with him.

According to a PP, it was the GSA's fault for boxing them up and sending it his residence. It's alwasys someone else's fault.

But Fox News disagrees with the GSA conspiracy theory.

I'll repost in case the "it was the GSA's fault" poster missed it:

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/president-donald-trump-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago-house-news

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Anonymous wrote:What is his excuse for having these documents in the first place? Why would he need to remove "top secret" documents from the white house when his presidency ended? what was he planning on doing them?

When Obama left he did not take stacks of classified materials with him.

According to a PP, it was the GSA's fault for boxing them up and sending it his residence. It's alwasys someone else's fault.

But Fox News disagrees with the GSA conspiracy theory.

I'll repost in case the "it was the GSA's fault" poster missed it:

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/president-donald-trump-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago-house-news

Yeah but it's always somebody's fault with that guy. Never him. Oh no, never him.

Except maybe now, all at once, and eeeee

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has to have a new grievance to rally the MAGA zombies to the polls.

He’s already fundraising off this raid.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from me, a 5 year with regards to these matters.

Why is there still so much paper these days? Is a digital trail too prone to interception? I'm just baffled how there's boxes and boxes and boxes of paper intel these days.

The intel is printed from computers inside of secure rooms. It is then organized into binders for certain readers or categories of readers who are VIPs and who generally prefer to read in their offices rather than go to the secure room to read on their computers.

At times, the VIP will request a copy of a report or set of reports to be retained by their staff in an appropriate safe or facility. That is how paper intel records get brought into these scenarios.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's new slogan: Defund the Police.

Holy carp, I was being sarcastic.

Is "holy carp" a typo or is just a fantastic expression I will be using the rest of my life?

You just now heard this? Is it 1995?

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Hmmm what changed?

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Anonymous wrote:What is his excuse for having these documents in the first place? Why would he need to remove "top secret" documents from the white house when his presidency ended? what was he planning on doing them?

When Obama left he did not take stacks of classified materials with him.

According to a PP, it was the GSA's fault for boxing them up and sending it his residence. It's alwasys someone else's fault.

But Fox News disagrees with the GSA conspiracy theory.

I'll repost in case the "it was the GSA's fault" poster missed it:

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/president-donald-trump-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago-house-news

That collection of articles is about as opposite your point as possible. Do you think he boxed those up himself?

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Anonymous wrote:Question from me, a 5 year with regards to these matters.

Why is there still so much paper these days? Is a digital trail too prone to interception? I'm just baffled how there's boxes and boxes and boxes of paper intel these days.

The intel is printed from computers inside of secure rooms. It is then organized into binders for certain readers or categories of readers who are VIPs and who generally prefer to read in their offices rather than go to the secure room to read on their computers.

At times, the VIP will request a copy of a report or set of reports to be retained by their staff in an appropriate safe or facility. That is how paper intel records get brought into these scenarios.

Same poster again- it is also worth noting that Mar A Lago has a SCIF, which is a room approved to store and discuss classified information up to Top Secret and Sensitive Compartmented Information. This may play into why the documents were at MAL. Given the SCIF at his house, it makes a lot more sense to me that these documents were in the house while he was president and not returned, vs that he somehow exfiltrated the documents from the WH and loaded them on a plane bound for FL, AFTER he left the presidency. That is not a very plausible scenario to me.

It leads to the question of why the documents werent just cleared out after the SCIF was decommissioned. The entire thing is odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from me, a 5 year with regards to these matters.

Why is there still so much paper these days? Is a digital trail too prone to interception? I'm just baffled how there's boxes and boxes and boxes of paper intel these days.

The intel is printed from computers inside of secure rooms. It is then organized into binders for certain readers or categories of readers who are VIPs and who generally prefer to read in their offices rather than go to the secure room to read on their computers.

At times, the VIP will request a copy of a report or set of reports to be retained by their staff in an appropriate safe or facility. That is how paper intel records get brought into these scenarios.

Same poster again- it is also worth noting that Mar A Lago has a SCIF, which is a room approved to store and discuss classified information up to Top Secret and Sensitive Compartmented Information. This may play into why the documents were at MAL. Given the SCIF at his house, it makes a lot more sense to me that these documents were in the house while he was president and not returned, vs that he somehow exfiltrated the documents from the WH and loaded them on a plane bound for FL, AFTER he left the presidency. That is not a very plausible scenario to me.

It leads to the question of why the documents werent just cleared out after the SCIF was decommissioned. The entire thing is odd.

Thank you for the reply!

So it is impossible for people (with the appropriate clearance) to read these sensitive documents (1) anywhere not being physically the secure rooms? So the paper/binders make the documents transportable for review - in the appropriate hands and wider range of appropriate places? And thus the warrant, because the paper documents were taken into an inappropriate/not secured space?

Thank you for indulging my pea brain!

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Anonymous wrote:Question from me, a 5 year with regards to these matters.

Why is there still so much paper these days? Is a digital trail too prone to interception? I'm just baffled how there's boxes and boxes and boxes of paper intel these days.

The intel is printed from computers inside of secure rooms. It is then organized into binders for certain readers or categories of readers who are VIPs and who generally prefer to read in their offices rather than go to the secure room to read on their computers.

At times, the VIP will request a copy of a report or set of reports to be retained by their staff in an appropriate safe or facility. That is how paper intel records get brought into these scenarios.

Same poster again- it is also worth noting that Mar A Lago has a SCIF, which is a room approved to store and discuss classified information up to Top Secret and Sensitive Compartmented Information. This may play into why the documents were at MAL. Given the SCIF at his house, it makes a lot more sense to me that these documents were in the house while he was president and not returned, vs that he somehow exfiltrated the documents from the WH and loaded them on a plane bound for FL, AFTER he left the presidency. That is not a very plausible scenario to me.

It leads to the question of why the documents werent just cleared out after the SCIF was decommissioned. The entire thing is odd.

Thank you for the reply!

So it is impossible for people (with the appropriate clearance) to read these sensitive documents (1) anywhere not being physically the secure rooms? So the paper/binders make the documents transportable for review - in the appropriate hands and wider range of appropriate places? And thus the warrant, because the paper documents were taken into an inappropriate/not secured space?

Thank you for indulging my pea brain!

No need to worry about it. Arcane stuff and not germane to the issue at hand. Why on earth would trump save this stuff???

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Perry’s cell phone was just confiscated today, a day after he filed articles of impeachment against Garland.