TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

Right but URM representation in AAP lagged and still lags which indicates that either the system can’t identify the requisite number of kids or they don’t exist in large enough numbers? This is evidenced in TJ admissions prior to the change. But rather than starting from the ground up they just made it as easy as possible to give URMs access. The AAP indicators still exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

If this were true, the average GPA of admitted students would be significantly lower than the 3.911 that it was for the incoming class.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

Is TJ a Governor's School for high test scores and high US News ranking? Or is it a Governor's School for gifted STEM students?

It's the latter.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

If this were true, the average GPA of admitted students would be significantly lower than the 3.911 that it was for the incoming class.

Don't bother interrupting PP's rant. They're on a roll. They don't need to get hung up on facts or logic.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

If this were true, the average GPA of admitted students would be significantly lower than the 3.911 that it was for the incoming class.

GPAs are highly inflated across FCPS's schools. It's hardly relevant as a distinguishing factor.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

If this were true, the average GPA of admitted students would be significantly lower than the 3.911 that it was for the incoming class.

GPA weight is much less than FARMs weight in the application scoring. So the GPA doesn’t really matter after 3.5. But honestly, given how easy it is to get a 4.0 and the 15-20% FARMs rate. It’s possible that the .09 is attributed to a group with experience factors and 3.5/6 and everyone else getting close to 4.0. We don’t know. But your push of the admitted GPA doesn’t negate the statement. I doubt that’s the case however just pointing out how much weight experience factors carry.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

This is a pretty broad and ugly generalization. And you would be very surprised at how many of the economically disadvantaged kids who now have access to TJ (most of whom, by the way, are Asian) come from those same first-gen immigrant families that prioritize hard work and education.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

This is a pretty broad and ugly generalization. And you would be very surprised at how many of the economically disadvantaged kids who now have access to TJ (most of whom, by the way, are Asian) come from those same first-gen immigrant families that prioritize hard work and education.

That is the ironic part, the merit based mechanism to admit qualified economically backward students has been removed, and random economically backward students are being admitted to the TJ bottom based on race.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

"*African-American or Black Students Receive the Greatest Share of Athletic Scholarships among Minority Students*
Among minority students enrolled in Bachelor’s degree programs, African-American or Black students receive a greater number of athletic scholarships (22.8% in 2007-2008) as compared to other minority groups of students including Asian and Hispanic students. Asian students receive the lowest number of athletic scholarships, 0.1% in 2007-2008. "

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

"*African-American or Black Students Receive the Greatest Share of Athletic Scholarships among Minority Students*
Among minority students enrolled in Bachelor’s degree programs, African-American or Black students receive a greater number of athletic scholarships (22.8% in 2007-2008) as compared to other minority groups of students including Asian and Hispanic students. Asian students receive the lowest number of athletic scholarships, 0.1% in 2007-2008. "

Oh, I thought you were dinging soccer moms when you were dinging sports families. You were actually dinging Black families? Silly me.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

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So disgusting.