ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To grab at a share of parents pay to play money, US Soccer pulls in about $10 million from youth soccer registrations and overinflated coach license fees. And US Soccer has the expense of running major pro tournaments in the near future, the cost of moving their headquarters and couldn't even afford to pay there men's national team coach without a donation.

If US Soccer continually sides with a few years youth national teams (say 100 kids) trying to get a couple of relatively meaningless wins at the expense of grass roots soccer plus what I will call mainstream travel soccer plus the youth soccer pathway into the college game (millions of kids), I just can't see a scenario where youth soccer, AYSO, USYS and USCS, doesn't tell US Soccer to pound sand and start their own governance.

Not arguing whether youth soccer should be SY or CY but US Soccer is completely responsible for blindly allowing RAE to thrive and not coming up with any tangible solutions. The crazy thing is that it is in US Soccer's best interest to grow the game and allow the younger half of an age group to be on something close to equal footing with the older half in opportunity but US Soccer has been wholly negligent.

US Soccer would have better senior national teams if they were able to make a dent in RAE as they could have the opportunity to pull from a pool of players up to double the current pool to pick the best players.

The billions of dollars in the youth soccer economy waiting for orders from US Soccer who only pulls in about $150 million a year is too imbalanced to continue. I can't see a scenario where youth soccer doesn't splinter at this point.

So to be clear, US Soccer's failure isn't centered on not listening to youth soccer who want to adjust their age dates, it is on not being a leader in fixing RAE.

So many things to correct in here, not worth the time or effort.

I’ll just focus on RAE. US soccer has nothing to do with how children physically mature. (See genetics, nutrition, and sleep for that).

US soccer has done as solid a job of any at the national team level accounting for RAE. They made it a huge area of focus at all level when they made the change in 2015, as well as when they ran DA.

US soccer also has little to do with the nature of time as it regards to RAE and cutoff dates.

Your issue on this should start in the mirror, and maybe at the club and coach level. Parents are what drive clubs and coaches to make short term decisions. And the clubs and some coaches certainly know better than to dismiss maturation rate differences.

But look, the idea that some sorry of Soviet 5 year top down systemic plan would develop better talent or even keep more kids in sport (in this case soccer) past the age of 12 is just laughable. Kids quit sports, most of them quit just after puberty….

Why? Because it gets harder to be good when the physical playing field changes. Some unathletic kids who survived in sport before, can’t survive anymore. The sorting takes place for more serious competition on bigger fields and tons of kids just don’t want to play if they can’t win now (also a parenting problem I’d argue). This is just such as stupid argument “more kids will play if we make it less competitive” is silly. Competition is how we separate the winners from the losers - nothing more, nothing less. And some people hate losing, but not enough to motivate them to work really hard to not lose. Thats life! Do we do the same thing for non-sport competition? Dating pool? Job market? College admissions? Promotions? Etc? This whole “more kids should play and it should be less serious” is the millennial parent equivalent of the boomer parent participation trophy. Enough of the BS!

Dude you are annoying as hell with the RAE crap. If your kid is good, they are good. That’s it. Nothing more to it.

That’s my point! PP was saying US soccer should have fixed RAE. Keep up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:New to this thread, and it’s interesting how invested people are in this issue. It seems to me that there will always be a 12 month spread no matter how they place the cut offs. Younger kids will always be at a slight disadvantage. It’s just going to be different kids. So the real issue is “trapped” players? An extra year of exposure doesn’t necessarily seem like a bad thing if your player is strong? So are all the SY advocates parents of smaller August-December players that aren’t getting much playing time? And if we moved to SY we’d have a similar issue with parents of February-July birthdays? Let’s just pick a cut off and live with it instead of upending these teams every 10 years.

“Trapped” doesn’t exist. It’s a crutch parents and kids use to excuse and blame outcomes they don’t like.

Youth soccer age dates create a misalignment for some players and their school grades. People refer to them they trapped players. You can use the term misaligned if trapped isn't to your personal liking.

Soccer is not school! Who cares?! It doesn’t need to align! Especially not in the “everyone should be welcome” levels and ages.

The 8th grade trap is called FOMO. The 12th grade trap is “my kid isn’t as good as we though, but I’ll blame the system because I should have known earlier.”

Yet when the 08s have to compete for spots next year against the four 07 ECNLs that will not graduate this year, giving our club a pool of 20 ECNL players to trim, it might get ugly. I am not sure how it has been previously handled. Seems unnecessary, but what do I know.

I will see how it plays out for my son, a September 09 that starts on his ECNL team. He is one of five freshmen (9th graders) on the team, three (my son included) of which start and a fourth that gets significant minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to this thread, and it’s interesting how invested people are in this issue. It seems to me that there will always be a 12 month spread no matter how they place the cut offs. Younger kids will always be at a slight disadvantage. It’s just going to be different kids. So the real issue is “trapped” players? An extra year of exposure doesn’t necessarily seem like a bad thing if your player is strong? So are all the SY advocates parents of smaller August-December players that aren’t getting much playing time? And if we moved to SY we’d have a similar issue with parents of February-July birthdays? Let’s just pick a cut off and live with it instead of upending these teams every 10 years.

“Trapped” doesn’t exist. It’s a crutch parents and kids use to excuse and blame outcomes they don’t like.

Youth soccer age dates create a misalignment for some players and their school grades. People refer to them they trapped players. You can use the term misaligned if trapped isn't to your personal liking.

Soccer is not school! Who cares?! It doesn’t need to align! Especially not in the “everyone should be welcome” levels and ages.

The 8th grade trap is called FOMO. The 12th grade trap is “my kid isn’t as good as we though, but I’ll blame the system because I should have known earlier.”

You are super dumb, or a troll, maybe both? The trapped player bit is well explained both here and on numerous websites.

It’s well whined, not well explained. I have not encountered one “trapped” parent who has a kid that is flourishing that complains about their kid being “trapped.”

I’ve never met a coach college or youth that complains about “the trap.”

Like a PP said, either your kid is good or they aren’t. The only people I’ve met that complain about kids being “trapped” are parents who are looking for excuses.

Not trolling. I just don’t have patience for excuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to this thread, and it’s interesting how invested people are in this issue. It seems to me that there will always be a 12 month spread no matter how they place the cut offs. Younger kids will always be at a slight disadvantage. It’s just going to be different kids. So the real issue is “trapped” players? An extra year of exposure doesn’t necessarily seem like a bad thing if your player is strong? So are all the SY advocates parents of smaller August-December players that aren’t getting much playing time? And if we moved to SY we’d have a similar issue with parents of February-July birthdays? Let’s just pick a cut off and live with it instead of upending these teams every 10 years.

“Trapped” doesn’t exist. It’s a crutch parents and kids use to excuse and blame outcomes they don’t like.

Youth soccer age dates create a misalignment for some players and their school grades. People refer to them they trapped players. You can use the term misaligned if trapped isn't to your personal liking.

Soccer is not school! Who cares?! It doesn’t need to align! Especially not in the “everyone should be welcome” levels and ages.

The 8th grade trap is called FOMO. The 12th grade trap is “my kid isn’t as good as we though, but I’ll blame the system because I should have known earlier.”

Yet when the 08s have to compete for spots next year against the four 07 ECNLs that will not graduate this year, giving our club a pool of 20 ECNL players to trim, it might get ugly. I am not sure how it has been previously handled. Seems unnecessary, but what do I know.

I will see how it plays out for my son, a September 09 that starts on his ECNL team. He is one of five freshmen (9th graders) on the team, three (my son included) of which start and a fourth that gets significant minutes.

No joking, if your kid isn’t getting calls in July between 10th and 11th grade, you have work to do. If they haven’t figured out where they will be playing by end of 11th grade / end of spring season. The “trap” isn’t the problem, there are fundamentals - either with your kid or the player pool for your kids grad year.

The trap isn’t the issue. More exposure is always a good thing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

DING DING DING

Shoe is on the other foot, and they’re acting exactly like the same lunatic crew they were when they were shoving their “facts” down everyone’s throat off a dumb twitter post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

I feel bad for any parent that has to put up with your nonsense on the sidelines. We all know one, the blowhard who thinks he is all knowing and yet can't come up with a compelling argument for anything, they just shit on other people, that is their contribution to society. Sad!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

DING DING DING

Shoe is on the other foot, and they’re acting exactly like the same lunatic crew they were when they were shoving their “facts” down everyone’s throat off a dumb twitter post.

And some faked / forged emails / text msgs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

DING DING DING

Shoe is on the other foot, and they’re acting exactly like the same lunatic crew they were when they were shoving their “facts” down everyone’s throat off a dumb twitter post.

Or it is happening and is delayed. Since there has been zero official announcments on that topic it's too early. But the dumbest comments are the ones that trapped players don't exist. They do exist. There is more to youth soccer than getting to play on a college team, yes that's important to some but the vast majority that is not a posibility. And being able to play with a team without being F'ed around with multiple years of their playing career is not too much to ask for even if they aren't at the highlest level. They will just go to sports that don't do that to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

DING DING DING

Shoe is on the other foot, and they’re acting exactly like the same lunatic crew they were when they were shoving their “facts” down everyone’s throat off a dumb twitter post.

I was really hoping for the change obviously for my kid to be able to punch down. Rather try and punch up.

But it’s definitely not changing for next year and everyone will have to accept that. Probably will not change for the foreseeable future.

Back to the grind Q4 families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

I feel bad for any parent that has to put up with your nonsense on the sidelines. We all know one, the blowhard who thinks he is all knowing and yet can't come up with a compelling argument for anything, they just shit on other people, that is their contribution to society. Sad!

Posted with no shame and no self-reflection. 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

DING DING DING

Shoe is on the other foot, and they’re acting exactly like the same lunatic crew they were when they were shoving their “facts” down everyone’s throat off a dumb twitter post.

I was really hoping for the change obviously for my kid to be able to punch down. Rather try and punch up.

But it’s definitely not changing for next year and everyone will have to accept that. Probably will not change for the foreseeable future.

Back to the grind Q4 families.

I hope you’re joking.

But the idea that an age cutoff change would mean no grind is truly what I think some parents actually believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

I feel bad for any parent that has to put up with your nonsense on the sidelines. We all know one, the blowhard who thinks he is all knowing and yet can't come up with a compelling argument for anything, they just shit on other people, that is their contribution to society. Sad!

I can guarantee you that over 100+ pages on here are about ECNL parents trying to shove this crap down everyone’s throats. Sharing fake emails, sharing every single thing that was said about the “change” being inevitable.

Now that some stuff has come out about the “change” not happening, those same folks are acting like crazy conspiracy theorists they claimed others to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

DING DING DING

Shoe is on the other foot, and they’re acting exactly like the same lunatic crew they were when they were shoving their “facts” down everyone’s throat off a dumb twitter post.

I was really hoping for the change obviously for my kid to be able to punch down. Rather try and punch up.

But it’s definitely not changing for next year and everyone will have to accept that. Probably will not change for the foreseeable future.

Back to the grind Q4 families.

The fact that you were looking forward to your kid "punching down" instead of "punching up" is everything wrong with ECNL parents.

First no top player has ever looked forward to playing down. It's boring and not a challenge.

Second looking forward to playing down is pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are coming up on an entire 24 hours with only the one Michigan league posting anything

It’s very funny that the entire US soccer universe is going off of this one random FB post taken as the truth. Not even one corroborating report besides “I heard it, too.”

Until someone from US Soccer actually sends out a formal presser, everyone is just arguing for no reason.

lol and this is what you ECNL dweebs were basing your “it’s happening whether you like it or not” phrases.

Accept it. It’s not changing.

DING DING DING

Shoe is on the other foot, and they’re acting exactly like the same lunatic crew they were when they were shoving their “facts” down everyone’s throat off a dumb twitter post.

I was really hoping for the change obviously for my kid to be able to punch down. Rather try and punch up.

But it’s definitely not changing for next year and everyone will have to accept that. Probably will not change for the foreseeable future.

Back to the grind Q4 families.

I hope you’re joking.

But the idea that an age cutoff change would mean no grind is truly what I think some parents actually believe.

it’s a race to the top of the mountain but for Q4 families I we have to start at the base and everyone else gets to start a little higher up. Still a grind for everyone that’s a fact.

Like I said back to work we go! If people want to argue there’s no advantage for Q1/2 kids go try and play up ECNL see how many can make that team or even get a real option to play.

High ho high ho it’s back to work we go….