Shots fired at Trump rally

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guys, I went ahead and dug this one up because this is something that still baffles me. It just doesn’t add up. I feel like I am wearing a tinfoil hat, but I have questions.

There is a lot that points to this being staged:

The weapon was an AR-15. I admittedly know nothing about guns, but does it make sense that this gun could make contact and do so little damage?

His ear completely healed, even though his doc said it was a 2 cm wide wound to the cartilage. That’s the size of a penny. A wound that size to cartilage would bleed profusely. That whole side of his head and shirt should have been covered in blood. And cartilage doesn’t heal. Compare his wound to Mike Tyson’s.

Doc said it came within a quarter of an inch from entering his head. If that’s true, it would have taken his ear off, to say the least! Not just a grazing that healed a couple of days later.

SS did not rush him out and they even let him put his shoes back on and stand up for a photo op. That is not how SS operates. They should have had him covered, out of sight, and in a bulletproof car in the blink of an eye.

Trump never talks about it, and there doesn’t seem to be a major investigation. This is a man who thrives on drama, attention, and revenge. I realize the shooter is dead, but Trump investigates everyone who looks at him funny. Shouldn’t he be investigating the parents, school, anyone who might have known his plan? Holding the parents accountable?

The lack of panic from the attendees. If you watch the video, there is very little reaction. Why weren’t they running, taking cover? Trump was shot and another man was killed right in front of them. Why are they barely reacting?

And Yet:

How would you possibly stage something like that? I can’t see Trump arranging for some kid to shoot at him but barely miss. And a man was actually shot. I do think Trump is evil enough to sacrifice a rally-goer, but idk.

The number of people who would have known about it. Seems far-fetched to find that many people who would agree to be in the vicinity of a 19 year old firing into a crowd, be it rally-goers, SS, or staff. Especially since a guy died, I feel like someone would have come forward by now.

So, I don’t really think the whole thing was staged, but it still just doesn’t make sense. Something was definitely off.

Some thoughts:

I suspect the “2cm” wound - which is quite large - is the result of a journalist mistaking “cm” for “mm”. A 2 mm wound - just a nick - would be consistent with a slight graze from a 5.56mm bullet. Journalists are typically not very good at math, conceptualizing numbers, or checking facts these days, so that seems like a plausible explanation - the reporter confused mm for cm, and err’d by a factor of 10.


The wound itself may have been created by the wake vortex of the bullet - the disturbed air around the surface of the bullet, about .5mm thick, rather than the actual surface of the bullet itself. Or perhaps the shock-cone of the bullet, which is a shockwave propagating through the air from the tip bullet at approximately a 45 degree angle. It would have to have been extremely close, since intensity of the shockwave falls off at the inverse-square relative to distance. You can actually see the wake vortex of the bullet passing behind him in the Pulitzer photo. That streak is the disturbed air around the much smaller/thinner bullet.

The secret service personnel were shamefully disorganized and incompetent. Which is about what we should expect from them, since the other incidents in the past that have provided insights into poor judgment and incompetence and bad behavior on the part of the secret service. So this is true to form. However, they also knew the shooter had been taken out by their own counter sniper team at that point. But they couldn’t have know there might’ve been another sniper, waiting to engage after the initial chaos. Again - incompetence.


I think Trump doesn’t discuss it much because for him, it was a moment where he almost died, and he knows it, and his ego, his personality, his everything, couldn’t have stopped it. For him, it’s too uncomfortable to think about much. It reminds him that he’s not in total control of everything, and it makes him feel vulnerable. He doesn’t like that.


Investigation into shooter? Where is the media that should’ve been doing this for the last year? They’re AWOL. I cannot explain why the NYT or WaPo haven’t been doing a deep dive into every person who knew this guy. We knew more about a plumber from Ohio named Joe, 12 hours after he asked Obama an embarrassing question at a campaign event, than we know a year later about a guy who shot Trump. That’s journalistic malpractice.


The lack of panic from attendees? They’re all paralyzed/confused by the shock of what’s happening. They’re frozen. Pretty normal reaction for people, actually. A few understand what’s happening, and they’re probably trying not to panic so they don’t accidentally get shot by secret service. Which is pretty sensible on their part, given the secret service. Plus, I’m sure quite a few people in the crowd also figured something like this would happen sooner or later, and here it is.



As for the dead attendee, Mr Campetore…. I work with a person who insists that he was a crisis actor paid for by Trump/MAGA, and is in fact not dead at all, but living happily under an assumed identity, in a new place, with a lot of cash to start his new life. Would YOU recognize him if you met a stranger months later who moved to your neighborhood and kept to himself? I had to admit, I wouldn’t. I still think my coworker is crazy, but it goes to show you the right doesn’t have sole ownership of nutters. There’s plenty on the other side of the fence too, and she’s proof of it.


I think the simplest explanation is the most likely - Trump was shot at, grazed slightly in the ear, and was extremely lucky that he turned his head a couple seconds before. Because otherwise that bullet would’ve been dead center in his head.


That’s the simplest explanation.

Thank you for the level-headed response. That’s helpful! I still have questions though!

1. In the letter from “Dr Ronny Jackson” it clearly states that the bullet struck his right ear and left a 2 cm would. So, best case scenario, the president had a doctor lie about him being struck by a bullet and the size of the wound. That should be a big deal in and of itself. But in the Trump era, it’s not even a blip.

If the SS behavior can be attributed to incompetence, again, this should be a much bigger issue. Compare it to the Reagan shooting. Within a split second, he was covered, thrown into the car, and they left the scene. SS and LEO also instructed and protected the crowd. This did not appear to happen in Butler. Not to mention the fact that he was able to climb up on a roof in plain sight. It is also bizarre that he was so careful about hiding his online activity, but suddenly not so careful in his last month - as he was trying to find a target for a mass shooting!

You are correct that Trump should be traumatized by the event and it would be understandable if he tried to put it out of his mind. But that’s not the case. He had a giant framed portrait made from the event and hung it in the WH! He is proud of it for some reason. It’s not like he fought off an attacker with his bare hands. He just got lucky. And a man died. How heartless to commemorate the event in that way.

I agree that the media should have been doing a deep dive into the kid and everyone around him. But their incompetence is another issue. Trump is calling for investigations on everyone from Comey to Springsteen. But he isn’t concerned to know more about his shooter?

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And let’s be real. If it wasn’t staged, he’d be whining about it all the time. He doesn’t bring it up.

[Anonymous]

Until proven otherwise, this was a Trump stunt. Even I, who has never even held a gun of any kind, shape, or form, could not have missed. It takes a skilled marksman to aim and only hit an ear!

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DP here, and while I could be convinced it was staged, it is a leap. However, you make some stretches:

The secret service personnel were shamefully disorganized and incompetent. Which is about what we should expect from them, since the other incidents in the past that have provided insights into poor judgment and incompetence and bad behavior on the part of the secret service. So this is true to form. However, they also knew the shooter had been taken out by their own counter sniper team at that point. But they couldn’t have know there might’ve been another sniper, waiting to engage after the initial chaos. Again - incompetence.

How would SS informed them in less than 1 min? He fired the shot. Totally implausible. Yes, they are disorganized, but not a single one is trying to push Trump down. If you’re in danger, their own instinct would be to duck! They also let him put his shoe on. It could be gross negligence or complicity.

I think Trump doesn’t discuss it much because for him, it was a moment where he almost died, and he knows it, and his ego, his personality, his everything, couldn’t have stopped it. For him, it’s too uncomfortable to think about much. It reminds him that he’s not in total control of everything, and it makes him feel vulnerable. He doesn’t like that.

You can’t be serious. There’s merch of him getting shot and he has a photo in the White House. Please. LMAO.

Investigation into shooter? Where is the media that should’ve been doing this for the last year? They’re AWOL. I cannot explain why the NYT or WaPo haven’t been doing a deep dive into every person who knew this guy. We knew more about a plumber from Ohio named Joe, 12 hours after he asked Obama an embarrassing question at a campaign event, than we know a year later about a guy who shot Trump. That’s journalistic malpractice.

WaPo and NYT are friends of MAGA. This has been addressed repeatedly on DCUM. It’s clear why they aren’t reporting on the shooter.

The lack of panic from attendees? They’re all paralyzed/confused by the shock of what’s happening. They’re frozen. Pretty normal reaction for people, actually. A few understand what’s happening, and they’re probably trying not to panic so they don’t accidentally get shot by secret service. Which is pretty sensible on their part, given the secret service. Plus, I’m sure quite a few people in the crowd also figured something like this would happen sooner or later, and here it is.

Totally false. We were just reminiscing about being at the Nats game were shot outside the stadium. People fell to the ground, covered family members, panic ensued. Absolutely zero people were frozen.

[Anonymous]

I’m pp and reading the past couple of pages, nobody denies a gun was shot. That a reporter got the bullet on photo isn’t in dispute.

[Anonymous]

Even a 2MM nick would have left a scar. I challenge anyone to look at hig def images of Trump since the shooting that shows ANY scar at all.

Hint: you won;t find one. And ears don't just heal like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guys, I went ahead and dug this one up because this is something that still baffles me. It just doesn’t add up. I feel like I am wearing a tinfoil hat, but I have questions.

There is a lot that points to this being staged:

The weapon was an AR-15. I admittedly know nothing about guns, but does it make sense that this gun could make contact and do so little damage?

His ear completely healed, even though his doc said it was a 2 cm wide wound to the cartilage. That’s the size of a penny. A wound that size to cartilage would bleed profusely. That whole side of his head and shirt should have been covered in blood. And cartilage doesn’t heal. Compare his wound to Mike Tyson’s.

Doc said it came within a quarter of an inch from entering his head. If that’s true, it would have taken his ear off, to say the least! Not just a grazing that healed a couple of days later.

SS did not rush him out and they even let him put his shoes back on and stand up for a photo op. That is not how SS operates. They should have had him covered, out of sight, and in a bulletproof car in the blink of an eye.

Trump never talks about it, and there doesn’t seem to be a major investigation. This is a man who thrives on drama, attention, and revenge. I realize the shooter is dead, but Trump investigates everyone who looks at him funny. Shouldn’t he be investigating the parents, school, anyone who might have known his plan? Holding the parents accountable?

The lack of panic from the attendees. If you watch the video, there is very little reaction. Why weren’t they running, taking cover? Trump was shot and another man was killed right in front of them. Why are they barely reacting?

And Yet:

How would you possibly stage something like that? I can’t see Trump arranging for some kid to shoot at him but barely miss. And a man was actually shot. I do think Trump is evil enough to sacrifice a rally-goer, but idk.

The number of people who would have known about it. Seems far-fetched to find that many people who would agree to be in the vicinity of a 19 year old firing into a crowd, be it rally-goers, SS, or staff. Especially since a guy died, I feel like someone would have come forward by now.

So, I don’t really think the whole thing was staged, but it still just doesn’t make sense. Something was definitely off.

Some thoughts:

I suspect the “2cm” wound - which is quite large - is the result of a journalist mistaking “cm” for “mm”. A 2 mm wound - just a nick - would be consistent with a slight graze from a 5.56mm bullet. Journalists are typically not very good at math, conceptualizing numbers, or checking facts these days, so that seems like a plausible explanation - the reporter confused mm for cm, and err’d by a factor of 10.


The wound itself may have been created by the wake vortex of the bullet - the disturbed air around the surface of the bullet, about .5mm thick, rather than the actual surface of the bullet itself. Or perhaps the shock-cone of the bullet, which is a shockwave propagating through the air from the tip bullet at approximately a 45 degree angle. It would have to have been extremely close, since intensity of the shockwave falls off at the inverse-square relative to distance. You can actually see the wake vortex of the bullet passing behind him in the Pulitzer photo. That streak is the disturbed air around the much smaller/thinner bullet.

The secret service personnel were shamefully disorganized and incompetent. Which is about what we should expect from them, since the other incidents in the past that have provided insights into poor judgment and incompetence and bad behavior on the part of the secret service. So this is true to form. However, they also knew the shooter had been taken out by their own counter sniper team at that point. But they couldn’t have know there might’ve been another sniper, waiting to engage after the initial chaos. Again - incompetence.


I think Trump doesn’t discuss it much because for him, it was a moment where he almost died, and he knows it, and his ego, his personality, his everything, couldn’t have stopped it. For him, it’s too uncomfortable to think about much. It reminds him that he’s not in total control of everything, and it makes him feel vulnerable. He doesn’t like that.


Investigation into shooter? Where is the media that should’ve been doing this for the last year? They’re AWOL. I cannot explain why the NYT or WaPo haven’t been doing a deep dive into every person who knew this guy. We knew more about a plumber from Ohio named Joe, 12 hours after he asked Obama an embarrassing question at a campaign event, than we know a year later about a guy who shot Trump. That’s journalistic malpractice.


The lack of panic from attendees? They’re all paralyzed/confused by the shock of what’s happening. They’re frozen. Pretty normal reaction for people, actually. A few understand what’s happening, and they’re probably trying not to panic so they don’t accidentally get shot by secret service. Which is pretty sensible on their part, given the secret service. Plus, I’m sure quite a few people in the crowd also figured something like this would happen sooner or later, and here it is.



As for the dead attendee, Mr Campetore…. I work with a person who insists that he was a crisis actor paid for by Trump/MAGA, and is in fact not dead at all, but living happily under an assumed identity, in a new place, with a lot of cash to start his new life. Would YOU recognize him if you met a stranger months later who moved to your neighborhood and kept to himself? I had to admit, I wouldn’t. I still think my coworker is crazy, but it goes to show you the right doesn’t have sole ownership of nutters. There’s plenty on the other side of the fence too, and she’s proof of it.


I think the simplest explanation is the most likely - Trump was shot at, grazed slightly in the ear, and was extremely lucky that he turned his head a couple seconds before. Because otherwise that bullet would’ve been dead center in his head.


That’s the simplest explanation.

Brilliantly comprehensive explanation and it's safe to say at this point that anyone still supporting the GOP and Dem Parties on the Federal level are indeed gullible nutters.

[Anonymous]

Trumps ear looks like it has had no damage.

Cartilage doesn't grow back folks.

[Anonymous]

lol at the people that fear guns all of sudden becoming ballistic experts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lol at the people that fear guns all of sudden becoming ballistic experts.

lol if gun nutters were so manly, they wouldn't need to cosplay being soldiers and cops

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lol at the people that fear guns all of sudden becoming ballistic experts.

We don't "fear" guns, and many of us are gun owners, and we understand ballistics just fine. We just support stricter gun controls, unlike you who is perfectly fine with people who have documented histories of significant mental illness, domestic violence and so on still being allowed to buy and own guns. Unlike you, we believe that law enforcement should be able to have the tools it needs to be able to crack down on things like straw buyers and the entire underground market for guns being bought and sold without background checks.

Stop being a disingenuous strawman dumbass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trumps ear looks like it has had no damage.

Cartilage doesn't grow back folks.

Yeah, that was theatre blood.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know if it was staged, but I do know that I agree with several offputting observations that have been raised in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guys, I went ahead and dug this one up because this is something that still baffles me. It just doesn’t add up. I feel like I am wearing a tinfoil hat, but I have questions.

There is a lot that points to this being staged:

The weapon was an AR-15. I admittedly know nothing about guns, but does it make sense that this gun could make contact and do so little damage?

His ear completely healed, even though his doc said it was a 2 cm wide wound to the cartilage. That’s the size of a penny. A wound that size to cartilage would bleed profusely. That whole side of his head and shirt should have been covered in blood. And cartilage doesn’t heal. Compare his wound to Mike Tyson’s.

Doc said it came within a quarter of an inch from entering his head. If that’s true, it would have taken his ear off, to say the least! Not just a grazing that healed a couple of days later.

SS did not rush him out and they even let him put his shoes back on and stand up for a photo op. That is not how SS operates. They should have had him covered, out of sight, and in a bulletproof car in the blink of an eye.

Trump never talks about it, and there doesn’t seem to be a major investigation. This is a man who thrives on drama, attention, and revenge. I realize the shooter is dead, but Trump investigates everyone who looks at him funny. Shouldn’t he be investigating the parents, school, anyone who might have known his plan? Holding the parents accountable?

The lack of panic from the attendees. If you watch the video, there is very little reaction. Why weren’t they running, taking cover? Trump was shot and another man was killed right in front of them. Why are they barely reacting?

And Yet:

How would you possibly stage something like that? I can’t see Trump arranging for some kid to shoot at him but barely miss. And a man was actually shot. I do think Trump is evil enough to sacrifice a rally-goer, but idk.

The number of people who would have known about it. Seems far-fetched to find that many people who would agree to be in the vicinity of a 19 year old firing into a crowd, be it rally-goers, SS, or staff. Especially since a guy died, I feel like someone would have come forward by now.

So, I don’t really think the whole thing was staged, but it still just doesn’t make sense. Something was definitely off.

Some thoughts:

I suspect the “2cm” wound - which is quite large - is the result of a journalist mistaking “cm” for “mm”. A 2 mm wound - just a nick - would be consistent with a slight graze from a 5.56mm bullet. Journalists are typically not very good at math, conceptualizing numbers, or checking facts these days, so that seems like a plausible explanation - the reporter confused mm for cm, and err’d by a factor of 10.


The wound itself may have been created by the wake vortex of the bullet - the disturbed air around the surface of the bullet, about .5mm thick, rather than the actual surface of the bullet itself. Or perhaps the shock-cone of the bullet, which is a shockwave propagating through the air from the tip bullet at approximately a 45 degree angle. It would have to have been extremely close, since intensity of the shockwave falls off at the inverse-square relative to distance. You can actually see the wake vortex of the bullet passing behind him in the Pulitzer photo. That streak is the disturbed air around the much smaller/thinner bullet.

The secret service personnel were shamefully disorganized and incompetent. Which is about what we should expect from them, since the other incidents in the past that have provided insights into poor judgment and incompetence and bad behavior on the part of the secret service. So this is true to form. However, they also knew the shooter had been taken out by their own counter sniper team at that point. But they couldn’t have know there might’ve been another sniper, waiting to engage after the initial chaos. Again - incompetence.


I think Trump doesn’t discuss it much because for him, it was a moment where he almost died, and he knows it, and his ego, his personality, his everything, couldn’t have stopped it. For him, it’s too uncomfortable to think about much. It reminds him that he’s not in total control of everything, and it makes him feel vulnerable. He doesn’t like that.


Investigation into shooter? Where is the media that should’ve been doing this for the last year? They’re AWOL. I cannot explain why the NYT or WaPo haven’t been doing a deep dive into every person who knew this guy. We knew more about a plumber from Ohio named Joe, 12 hours after he asked Obama an embarrassing question at a campaign event, than we know a year later about a guy who shot Trump. That’s journalistic malpractice.


The lack of panic from attendees? They’re all paralyzed/confused by the shock of what’s happening. They’re frozen. Pretty normal reaction for people, actually. A few understand what’s happening, and they’re probably trying not to panic so they don’t accidentally get shot by secret service. Which is pretty sensible on their part, given the secret service. Plus, I’m sure quite a few people in the crowd also figured something like this would happen sooner or later, and here it is.



As for the dead attendee, Mr Campetore…. I work with a person who insists that he was a crisis actor paid for by Trump/MAGA, and is in fact not dead at all, but living happily under an assumed identity, in a new place, with a lot of cash to start his new life. Would YOU recognize him if you met a stranger months later who moved to your neighborhood and kept to himself? I had to admit, I wouldn’t. I still think my coworker is crazy, but it goes to show you the right doesn’t have sole ownership of nutters. There’s plenty on the other side of the fence too, and she’s proof of it.


I think the simplest explanation is the most likely - Trump was shot at, grazed slightly in the ear, and was extremely lucky that he turned his head a couple seconds before. Because otherwise that bullet would’ve been dead center in his head.


That’s the simplest explanation.

I find these explanations of Trump’s wound to be very plausible. We have definitely been lied to about his ear’s being struck by the bullet itself and the size of the wound. What plausible reason is there for Trump to refuse to let any of the treating ER physicians make statements about his injury or allow any portion of his medical records from that day be released publicly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps ear looks like it has had no damage.

Cartilage doesn't grow back folks.

Yeah, that was theatre blood.

Have you ever seen another attempted Presidential assassination where the secret service let him do a theatrical fist raise for a photographer?

Heck, the Secret Service hustled W out after he dodged the shoes.

Something is very fishy here. Almost as fishy as the edited Epstein jail video.