Class of '26 Instagram College Decisions

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the "hooks" which is definitely the case for a portion of the girls - one thing that i believe helps is the smaller class size.

I believe HM has close to 200 kids per grade. the girls schools generally are in the 60-70 range.

It's alot easier for the CC at B/S/C to push for 1-2 girls at a Columbia or Dartmouth versus having to go to the AO and try to pitch 6 different kids trying to get into columbia ED.

If you take out the 10-15 hooked kids at each of these girls schools you are left with 50 kids. the CC are only going to bat for a couple of girls per t30 college. to me i think that has to make an impact.
do you agree?

I am not sure how that would explain why Brearley performs so well in absolute numbers. It actually seems to send more students than HM to Harvard, Princeton, Yale - and Columbia (each!), despite having 1/3 the number of seniors.

You’re right. It’s just having richer families.

in your context what is consider "richer"?

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Anonymous wrote:but anyway those are the 3 top public schools in nyc. It's not easy to get into them.

A typical grade cohort in NYC is around 60,000, so between Hunter's 200 and BS/Stuy's 750 each we're talking around the top 3% of kids. (maybe a touch more if you throw in HSMSE)

Which is not an *easy* lift, but if your kid is getting the ISEE 8's and 9's needed to interest Trinity or Brearley or HM as an unconnected kid (note that the percentiles on those are relative to other ISEE test takers and not the general population), they can probably also do well enough on the SHSAT or Hunter Test to get into one of those top public schools.

being top 3% is impressive. It's not easy. but i understand your point.

I question if it's that hard to get into these private schools as an unconnected kid. we have 1 in what is considered TT and 1 in 2T. We are not a connected family at all. We are like the thousands of generic "upper middle class" manhattan families - dual income making $500-1mm a year.

it may feel generic, but if you make >$500k/yr in nyc, you are within 3% of the city's top-earning households.

"upper middle class" in quotes.

are you in the top 10% of families in manhattan with 500k?

it's snobbish to say manhattan south of 96th street.

that use to be the term people used in the past
"Manhattan" is way too broad. Because their are a lot of people living in the upper half/third of Manhattan who are way below that who would weigh down the averages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We turned down one of the top 3 SHSAT schools for a 2T private and know multiple other families that did the same. We only applied to one TT and didn't go through the required butt kissing to get in (we knew families who could have helped but decided it wasn't the right place for our child).

Our child and the other similar ones are top of their classes at the 2Ts and a lot less stressed than if at a TT or SHSAT. Top kids from their schools do just as well as kids from the other schools.

Everyone runs their own raise and makes their own decisions.

my sense is that SHSAT schools are pretty stressful.

what are some 2T schools - is this the Trevor/CGPS/Nightingale type of school? what others?

Stuy isn’t really stressful if your child is competitive and is the top of the class since elementary. If anything they live for the challenge. It is only stressful if you try to turn them into something they are not or expect them to turn it on when they arrive at HS.

Yes, but it is 30+ kids in a classroom, most of whom are the "what did you get, what did you get?" types. Many of whom are children of immigrants carrying a lot of pressure to succeed so lacking the "act like you've been there before" instinct and comfort in social situations that we take for granted. Particularly for a kid coming from private school, it would be a huge culture shock.

2T schools include the ones you mentioned, Friends, Grace, Packer, Dwight Englewood, Avenues, UNIS? Some of those might be called 3T by some, but they all send a decent number of top kids to Ivies.

many people we speak with talk about growing up in a immigrant family with the intense pressure to succeed - and not wanting to put their kids thru the same stressor by sending them to a SHSAT school and prefer a private school instead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the "hooks" which is definitely the case for a portion of the girls - one thing that i believe helps is the smaller class size.

I believe HM has close to 200 kids per grade. the girls schools generally are in the 60-70 range.

It's alot easier for the CC at B/S/C to push for 1-2 girls at a Columbia or Dartmouth versus having to go to the AO and try to pitch 6 different kids trying to get into columbia ED.

If you take out the 10-15 hooked kids at each of these girls schools you are left with 50 kids. the CC are only going to bat for a couple of girls per t30 college. to me i think that has to make an impact.
do you agree?

I am not sure how that would explain why Brearley performs so well in absolute numbers. It actually seems to send more students than HM to Harvard, Princeton, Yale - and Columbia (each!), despite having 1/3 the number of seniors.

You’re right. It’s just having richer families.

does the generic 5-25MM net worth Brearley family really have a leg up in admissions? compared to any other full pay students?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We turned down one of the top 3 SHSAT schools for a 2T private and know multiple other families that did the same. We only applied to one TT and didn't go through the required butt kissing to get in (we knew families who could have helped but decided it wasn't the right place for our child).

Our child and the other similar ones are top of their classes at the 2Ts and a lot less stressed than if at a TT or SHSAT. Top kids from their schools do just as well as kids from the other schools.

Everyone runs their own raise and makes their own decisions.

my sense is that SHSAT schools are pretty stressful.

what are some 2T schools - is this the Trevor/CGPS/Nightingale type of school? what others?

Stuy isn’t really stressful if your child is competitive and is the top of the class since elementary. If anything they live for the challenge. It is only stressful if you try to turn them into something they are not or expect them to turn it on when they arrive at HS.

This is not true. Have a friend who attended who is still scared from her experience. Very intense and competitive. She did go to Wellesley, so maybe she would have benefited from a smaller, more holistic school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:but anyway those are the 3 top public schools in nyc. It's not easy to get into them.

A typical grade cohort in NYC is around 60,000, so between Hunter's 200 and BS/Stuy's 750 each we're talking around the top 3% of kids. (maybe a touch more if you throw in HSMSE)

Which is not an *easy* lift, but if your kid is getting the ISEE 8's and 9's needed to interest Trinity or Brearley or HM as an unconnected kid (note that the percentiles on those are relative to other ISEE test takers and not the general population), they can probably also do well enough on the SHSAT or Hunter Test to get into one of those top public schools.

being top 3% is impressive. It's not easy. but i understand your point.

I question if it's that hard to get into these private schools as an unconnected kid. we have 1 in what is considered TT and 1 in 2T. We are not a connected family at all. We are like the thousands of generic "upper middle class" manhattan families - dual income making $500-1mm a year.

it may feel generic, but if you make >$500k/yr in nyc, you are within 3% of the city's top-earning households.

"upper middle class" in quotes.

are you in the top 10% of families in manhattan with 500k?

it's snobbish to say manhattan south of 96th street.

that use to be the term people used in the past
"Manhattan" is way too broad. Because their are a lot of people living in the upper half/third of Manhattan who are way below that who would weigh down the averages.

It's not snobbish. It's a fact. The financial status of those in upper Manhattan is dramatically different than UES, UWS, etc. And I'm guessing that when the OP posed the question they were not factoring that in. That does not make those people better or worse. Just a fact of life. Lighten up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the "hooks" which is definitely the case for a portion of the girls - one thing that i believe helps is the smaller class size.

I believe HM has close to 200 kids per grade. the girls schools generally are in the 60-70 range.

It's alot easier for the CC at B/S/C to push for 1-2 girls at a Columbia or Dartmouth versus having to go to the AO and try to pitch 6 different kids trying to get into columbia ED.

If you take out the 10-15 hooked kids at each of these girls schools you are left with 50 kids. the CC are only going to bat for a couple of girls per t30 college. to me i think that has to make an impact.
do you agree?

I am not sure how that would explain why Brearley performs so well in absolute numbers. It actually seems to send more students than HM to Harvard, Princeton, Yale - and Columbia (each!), despite having 1/3 the number of seniors.

You’re right. It’s just having richer families.

does the generic 5-25MM net worth Brearley family really have a leg up in admissions? compared to any other full pay students?

The generic family there is worth a lot more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but anyway those are the 3 top public schools in nyc. It's not easy to get into them.

A typical grade cohort in NYC is around 60,000, so between Hunter's 200 and BS/Stuy's 750 each we're talking around the top 3% of kids. (maybe a touch more if you throw in HSMSE)

Which is not an *easy* lift, but if your kid is getting the ISEE 8's and 9's needed to interest Trinity or Brearley or HM as an unconnected kid (note that the percentiles on those are relative to other ISEE test takers and not the general population), they can probably also do well enough on the SHSAT or Hunter Test to get into one of those top public schools.

being top 3% is impressive. It's not easy. but i understand your point.

I question if it's that hard to get into these private schools as an unconnected kid. we have 1 in what is considered TT and 1 in 2T. We are not a connected family at all. We are like the thousands of generic "upper middle class" manhattan families - dual income making $500-1mm a year.

it may feel generic, but if you make >$500k/yr in nyc, you are within 3% of the city's top-earning households.

"upper middle class" in quotes.

are you in the top 10% of families in manhattan with 500k?

it's snobbish to say manhattan south of 96th street.

that use to be the term people used in the past
"Manhattan" is way too broad. Because their are a lot of people living in the upper half/third of Manhattan who are way below that who would weigh down the averages.

It's not snobbish. It's a fact. The financial status of those in upper Manhattan is dramatically different than UES, UWS, etc. And I'm guessing that when the OP posed the question they were not factoring that in. That does not make those people better or worse. Just a fact of life. Lighten up.

Yep. Almost no full pay family would be caught dead buying their residence north of 96th

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but anyway those are the 3 top public schools in nyc. It's not easy to get into them.

A typical grade cohort in NYC is around 60,000, so between Hunter's 200 and BS/Stuy's 750 each we're talking around the top 3% of kids. (maybe a touch more if you throw in HSMSE)

Which is not an *easy* lift, but if your kid is getting the ISEE 8's and 9's needed to interest Trinity or Brearley or HM as an unconnected kid (note that the percentiles on those are relative to other ISEE test takers and not the general population), they can probably also do well enough on the SHSAT or Hunter Test to get into one of those top public schools.

being top 3% is impressive. It's not easy. but i understand your point.

I question if it's that hard to get into these private schools as an unconnected kid. we have 1 in what is considered TT and 1 in 2T. We are not a connected family at all. We are like the thousands of generic "upper middle class" manhattan families - dual income making $500-1mm a year.

it may feel generic, but if you make >$500k/yr in nyc, you are within 3% of the city's top-earning households.

"upper middle class" in quotes.

are you in the top 10% of families in manhattan with 500k?

it's snobbish to say manhattan south of 96th street.

that use to be the term people used in the past
"Manhattan" is way too broad. Because their are a lot of people living in the upper half/third of Manhattan who are way below that who would weigh down the averages.

It's not snobbish. It's a fact. The financial status of those in upper Manhattan is dramatically different than UES, UWS, etc. And I'm guessing that when the OP posed the question they were not factoring that in. That does not make those people better or worse. Just a fact of life. Lighten up.

Yep. Almost no full pay family would be caught dead buying their residence north of 96th

Not true but not a lot. I know plenty of private school families who live near Columbia and some who have brownstones in Harlem. I worked with a super wealthy finance type with kids at TT schools who lived in the West 100s - huge apartment. And I know various others as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the "hooks" which is definitely the case for a portion of the girls - one thing that i believe helps is the smaller class size.

I believe HM has close to 200 kids per grade. the girls schools generally are in the 60-70 range.

It's alot easier for the CC at B/S/C to push for 1-2 girls at a Columbia or Dartmouth versus having to go to the AO and try to pitch 6 different kids trying to get into columbia ED.

If you take out the 10-15 hooked kids at each of these girls schools you are left with 50 kids. the CC are only going to bat for a couple of girls per t30 college. to me i think that has to make an impact.
do you agree?

I am not sure how that would explain why Brearley performs so well in absolute numbers. It actually seems to send more students than HM to Harvard, Princeton, Yale - and Columbia (each!), despite having 1/3 the number of seniors.

You’re right. It’s just having richer families.

does the generic 5-25MM net worth Brearley family really have a leg up in admissions? compared to any other full pay students?

The generic family there is worth a lot more.

Is it the same at Chapin/Spence/Nightingale? or is this a Brearley thing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but anyway those are the 3 top public schools in nyc. It's not easy to get into them.

A typical grade cohort in NYC is around 60,000, so between Hunter's 200 and BS/Stuy's 750 each we're talking around the top 3% of kids. (maybe a touch more if you throw in HSMSE)

Which is not an *easy* lift, but if your kid is getting the ISEE 8's and 9's needed to interest Trinity or Brearley or HM as an unconnected kid (note that the percentiles on those are relative to other ISEE test takers and not the general population), they can probably also do well enough on the SHSAT or Hunter Test to get into one of those top public schools.

being top 3% is impressive. It's not easy. but i understand your point.

I question if it's that hard to get into these private schools as an unconnected kid. we have 1 in what is considered TT and 1 in 2T. We are not a connected family at all. We are like the thousands of generic "upper middle class" manhattan families - dual income making $500-1mm a year.

it may feel generic, but if you make >$500k/yr in nyc, you are within 3% of the city's top-earning households.

"upper middle class" in quotes.

are you in the top 10% of families in manhattan with 500k?

it's snobbish to say manhattan south of 96th street.

that use to be the term people used in the past
"Manhattan" is way too broad. Because their are a lot of people living in the upper half/third of Manhattan who are way below that who would weigh down the averages.

It's not snobbish. It's a fact. The financial status of those in upper Manhattan is dramatically different than UES, UWS, etc. And I'm guessing that when the OP posed the question they were not factoring that in. That does not make those people better or worse. Just a fact of life. Lighten up.

Yep. Almost no full pay family would be caught dead buying their residence north of 96th

Not true but not a lot. I know plenty of private school families who live near Columbia and some who have brownstones in Harlem. I worked with a super wealthy finance type with kids at TT schools who lived in the West 100s - huge apartment. And I know various others as well.

Bank street and Calhoun aren’t TT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the "hooks" which is definitely the case for a portion of the girls - one thing that i believe helps is the smaller class size.

I believe HM has close to 200 kids per grade. the girls schools generally are in the 60-70 range.

It's alot easier for the CC at B/S/C to push for 1-2 girls at a Columbia or Dartmouth versus having to go to the AO and try to pitch 6 different kids trying to get into columbia ED.

If you take out the 10-15 hooked kids at each of these girls schools you are left with 50 kids. the CC are only going to bat for a couple of girls per t30 college. to me i think that has to make an impact.
do you agree?

I am not sure how that would explain why Brearley performs so well in absolute numbers. It actually seems to send more students than HM to Harvard, Princeton, Yale - and Columbia (each!), despite having 1/3 the number of seniors.

You’re right. It’s just having richer families.

does the generic 5-25MM net worth Brearley family really have a leg up in admissions? compared to any other full pay students?

The generic family there is worth a lot more.

Is it the same at Chapin/Spence/Nightingale? or is this a Brearley thing?

Same at all these schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the "hooks" which is definitely the case for a portion of the girls - one thing that i believe helps is the smaller class size.

I believe HM has close to 200 kids per grade. the girls schools generally are in the 60-70 range.

It's alot easier for the CC at B/S/C to push for 1-2 girls at a Columbia or Dartmouth versus having to go to the AO and try to pitch 6 different kids trying to get into columbia ED.

If you take out the 10-15 hooked kids at each of these girls schools you are left with 50 kids. the CC are only going to bat for a couple of girls per t30 college. to me i think that has to make an impact.
do you agree?

I am not sure how that would explain why Brearley performs so well in absolute numbers. It actually seems to send more students than HM to Harvard, Princeton, Yale - and Columbia (each!), despite having 1/3 the number of seniors.

You’re right. It’s just having richer families.

does the generic 5-25MM net worth Brearley family really have a leg up in admissions? compared to any other full pay students?

The generic family there is worth a lot more.

Is it the same at Chapin/Spence/Nightingale? or is this a Brearley thing?

Same at all these schools.

How are you coming up with this view?

I don't think it's correct but I would love to know why you think so

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the "hooks" which is definitely the case for a portion of the girls - one thing that i believe helps is the smaller class size.

I believe HM has close to 200 kids per grade. the girls schools generally are in the 60-70 range.

It's alot easier for the CC at B/S/C to push for 1-2 girls at a Columbia or Dartmouth versus having to go to the AO and try to pitch 6 different kids trying to get into columbia ED.

If you take out the 10-15 hooked kids at each of these girls schools you are left with 50 kids. the CC are only going to bat for a couple of girls per t30 college. to me i think that has to make an impact.
do you agree?

I am not sure how that would explain why Brearley performs so well in absolute numbers. It actually seems to send more students than HM to Harvard, Princeton, Yale - and Columbia (each!), despite having 1/3 the number of seniors.

You’re right. It’s just having richer families.

does the generic 5-25MM net worth Brearley family really have a leg up in admissions? compared to any other full pay students?

Child starting Brearley in the fall. We don’t make or own anywhere near that amount, and we are full paying. Many of the families I have interacted with so far, are similar to us. Of course there is a lot of wealth regardless, but the same can be said for places like PS 6 (we are friends with families who make/ are worth WAY more than us who’s kids go there currently).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the "hooks" which is definitely the case for a portion of the girls - one thing that i believe helps is the smaller class size.

I believe HM has close to 200 kids per grade. the girls schools generally are in the 60-70 range.

It's alot easier for the CC at B/S/C to push for 1-2 girls at a Columbia or Dartmouth versus having to go to the AO and try to pitch 6 different kids trying to get into columbia ED.

If you take out the 10-15 hooked kids at each of these girls schools you are left with 50 kids. the CC are only going to bat for a couple of girls per t30 college. to me i think that has to make an impact.
do you agree?

I am not sure how that would explain why Brearley performs so well in absolute numbers. It actually seems to send more students than HM to Harvard, Princeton, Yale - and Columbia (each!), despite having 1/3 the number of seniors.

You’re right. It’s just having richer families.

does the generic 5-25MM net worth Brearley family really have a leg up in admissions? compared to any other full pay students?

Child starting Brearley in the fall. We don’t make or own anywhere near that amount, and we are full paying. Many of the families I have interacted with so far, are similar to us. Of course there is a lot of wealth regardless, but the same can be said for places like PS 6 (we are friends with families who make/ are worth WAY more than us who’s kids go there currently).

Are the grandparents helping? How do you plan to handle the increasing cost of private school and living in NYC?

2 bedroom apartments are going for ~8k a month now a day.