Mom Cliques. I had no idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

Sympathy for what? OP didn’t post about it making her sad, she explicitly posted to make fun of them and get others to pile on making fun of other women and the mom clique stereotype (which she gave zero information in her post that would make this a mom clique, other than it was a group of mothers).

I didn’t read it that way at all. She was trying to inject some humor into the situation. I suspect if she had used some paragraph breaks, or said share with me one of your awkward Mom situation stories to make me feel better… it might’ve read differently also

So if she had written something completely different than what she wrote you would have read it differently?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

Sympathy for what? OP didn’t post about it making her sad, she explicitly posted to make fun of them and get others to pile on making fun of other women and the mom clique stereotype (which she gave zero information in her post that would make this a mom clique, other than it was a group of mothers).

Many of us have the emotional intelligence to understand that OP was obviously posting out of hurt feelings at not having been included in this gathering. This was obvious from her post, as well as follow ups. I also don't see her attacking or making fun of these other women other than to call it a "clique" (which as has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread, it probably was not). She doesn't make fun of them for being at the winery or getting together or being friends or whatever. She's just clearly hurt not to have been invited and to realize that these women get together like this without her. That's why at least some of us were sympathetic, because we could see she was reacting from a place of hurt. I posted early on that the text she sent was definitely a bad idea and she should have just played it off like it was fine, but I also understand that when people feel excluded or ostracized in some way, they don't always think rationally.

But she didn't make fun of these women. She lashed out a bit. Not great, but not unrelateable -- I feel like I'd handle that better at this stage in my life, but I could imagine doing exactly what OP did (meaning the overreaction to seeing these women together) back in my 20s. You live and learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

The irony of you drawing all kinds of conclusions about OP based on word choice in a brief DCUM post, but then claiming that OP could not possibly intuit whether there was an awkward vibe based on an in person interaction with women she knows/has met before. You and so many others are acting like you know everything about OP's character based on a few posts here, but when she says "they looked uber awkward" you're freaking out and saying she couldn't possibly KNOW that and what is her evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

Sympathy for what? OP didn’t post about it making her sad, she explicitly posted to make fun of them and get others to pile on making fun of other women and the mom clique stereotype (which she gave zero information in her post that would make this a mom clique, other than it was a group of mothers).

Many of us have the emotional intelligence to understand that OP was obviously posting out of hurt feelings at not having been included in this gathering. This was obvious from her post, as well as follow ups. I also don't see her attacking or making fun of these other women other than to call it a "clique" (which as has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread, it probably was not). She doesn't make fun of them for being at the winery or getting together or being friends or whatever. She's just clearly hurt not to have been invited and to realize that these women get together like this without her. That's why at least some of us were sympathetic, because we could see she was reacting from a place of hurt. I posted early on that the text she sent was definitely a bad idea and she should have just played it off like it was fine, but I also understand that when people feel excluded or ostracized in some way, they don't always think rationally.

But she didn't make fun of these women. She lashed out a bit. Not great, but not unrelateable -- I feel like I'd handle that better at this stage in my life, but I could imagine doing exactly what OP did (meaning the overreaction to seeing these women together) back in my 20s. You live and learn.

I can imagine reacting the way OP did in high school, which makes all the commentary about others being stuck in an earlier time of development all the more striking.

It’s ok to feel hurt, but lashing out is self-destructive.

OP: next time just be friendly and make it clear to a few moms you like that you like vineyards on Friday afternoons. There’s a good chance someone will pass on the text next time. That is if you haven’t already developed a reputation for being a bit much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

Sympathy for what? OP didn’t post about it making her sad, she explicitly posted to make fun of them and get others to pile on making fun of other women and the mom clique stereotype (which she gave zero information in her post that would make this a mom clique, other than it was a group of mothers).

Many of us have the emotional intelligence to understand that OP was obviously posting out of hurt feelings at not having been included in this gathering. This was obvious from her post, as well as follow ups. I also don't see her attacking or making fun of these other women other than to call it a "clique" (which as has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread, it probably was not). She doesn't make fun of them for being at the winery or getting together or being friends or whatever. She's just clearly hurt not to have been invited and to realize that these women get together like this without her. That's why at least some of us were sympathetic, because we could see she was reacting from a place of hurt. I posted early on that the text she sent was definitely a bad idea and she should have just played it off like it was fine, but I also understand that when people feel excluded or ostracized in some way, they don't always think rationally.

But she didn't make fun of these women. She lashed out a bit. Not great, but not unrelateable -- I feel like I'd handle that better at this stage in my life, but I could imagine doing exactly what OP did (meaning the overreaction to seeing these women together) back in my 20s. You live and learn.

She drip dripped information and bit by bit we find out more. They don't all live in her neighborhood, some of them are in her kids (plural) classes and they are all SAHM. She's been trolling all along and people are still passionately defending her attempt to get women to go after other women who dared to meet midday without her as if its some giant conspiracy. So, another WOHM vs SAHM argument in disguise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

The irony of you drawing all kinds of conclusions about OP based on word choice in a brief DCUM post, but then claiming that OP could not possibly intuit whether there was an awkward vibe based on an in person interaction with women she knows/has met before. You and so many others are acting like you know everything about OP's character based on a few posts here, but when she says "they looked uber awkward" you're freaking out and saying she couldn't possibly KNOW that and what is her evidence.

+100

[Anonymous]

I would not want to be with 15 moms at a winery- sounds annoying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

The irony of you drawing all kinds of conclusions about OP based on word choice in a brief DCUM post, but then claiming that OP could not possibly intuit whether there was an awkward vibe based on an in person interaction with women she knows/has met before. You and so many others are acting like you know everything about OP's character based on a few posts here, but when she says "they looked uber awkward" you're freaking out and saying she couldn't possibly KNOW that and what is her evidence.

DP. This an internet forum. That’s the whole point. People post. Others react, discuss, dissect, ridicule. Don’t post words here if you don’t want people to react to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

+1 Bunch of psychos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

The irony of you drawing all kinds of conclusions about OP based on word choice in a brief DCUM post, but then claiming that OP could not possibly intuit whether there was an awkward vibe based on an in person interaction with women she knows/has met before. You and so many others are acting like you know everything about OP's character based on a few posts here, but when she says "they looked uber awkward" you're freaking out and saying she couldn't possibly KNOW that and what is her evidence.

DP. This an internet forum. That’s the whole point. People post. Others react, discuss, dissect, ridicule. Don’t post words here if you don’t want people to react to them.

The same goes for all of you armchair psychologist way over reaching in your analysis and reactions to the OP. The negative reactions you are receiving, aka the backlash Jeff referred to, are well deserved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

The irony of you drawing all kinds of conclusions about OP based on word choice in a brief DCUM post, but then claiming that OP could not possibly intuit whether there was an awkward vibe based on an in person interaction with women she knows/has met before. You and so many others are acting like you know everything about OP's character based on a few posts here, but when she says "they looked uber awkward" you're freaking out and saying she couldn't possibly KNOW that and what is her evidence.

DP. This an internet forum. That’s the whole point. People post. Others react, discuss, dissect, ridicule. Don’t post words here if you don’t want people to react to them.

The same goes for all of you armchair psychologist way over reaching in your analysis and reactions to the OP. The negative reactions you are receiving, aka the backlash Jeff referred to, are well deserved.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

The irony of you drawing all kinds of conclusions about OP based on word choice in a brief DCUM post, but then claiming that OP could not possibly intuit whether there was an awkward vibe based on an in person interaction with women she knows/has met before. You and so many others are acting like you know everything about OP's character based on a few posts here, but when she says "they looked uber awkward" you're freaking out and saying she couldn't possibly KNOW that and what is her evidence.

DP. This an internet forum. That’s the whole point. People post. Others react, discuss, dissect, ridicule. Don’t post words here if you don’t want people to react to them.

The same goes for all of you armchair psychologist way over reaching in your analysis and reactions to the OP. The negative reactions you are receiving, aka the backlash Jeff referred to, are well deserved.

That’s fine. Doesn’t bother me one bit. (Nor would seeing 15 moms having lunch at a winery.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

The irony of you drawing all kinds of conclusions about OP based on word choice in a brief DCUM post, but then claiming that OP could not possibly intuit whether there was an awkward vibe based on an in person interaction with women she knows/has met before. You and so many others are acting like you know everything about OP's character based on a few posts here, but when she says "they looked uber awkward" you're freaking out and saying she couldn't possibly KNOW that and what is her evidence.

No. I'm permitted to bring both common sense and my life experiences to interpret OP's or any other post. All signs point to OP being socially inept and immature and her therefore misinterpreting the situation and/or creating the awkwardness herself.

(Also, even if there was some palpable awkwardness it still does not mean these women are a clique or that OP was excluded.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what the full details of the scenario actually were, it boils down to this:

If your first reaction was judgment rather than empathy, or at least sympathy, you are a part of the "Mean Girl" stereotype.

I understand that some PPs were rude in their delivery, but why wouldn't it make OP feel BETTER, not worse, to know that the majority of those hearing about this encounter, including Jeff, do NOT think these women were a clique, mean, or exclusionary?

But a few were really rabid about it, created massive analyses about OP’s character and experience.

Probably because of OP’s delivery! LMAO! They felt soo awkward about it! Bus stop will be INTERESTING! Emoji!
Why so brash? And how can OP know how they felt? What sane person would text a follow up?

I mean, I hope OP is trolling, or maybe had the experience but is being tongue in cheek, but ugh.

The irony of you drawing all kinds of conclusions about OP based on word choice in a brief DCUM post, but then claiming that OP could not possibly intuit whether there was an awkward vibe based on an in person interaction with women she knows/has met before. You and so many others are acting like you know everything about OP's character based on a few posts here, but when she says "they looked uber awkward" you're freaking out and saying she couldn't possibly KNOW that and what is her evidence.

DP. This an internet forum. That’s the whole point. People post. Others react, discuss, dissect, ridicule. Don’t post words here if you don’t want people to react to them.

The same goes for all of you armchair psychologist way over reaching in your analysis and reactions to the OP. The negative reactions you are receiving, aka the backlash Jeff referred to, are well deserved.

That’s fine. Doesn’t bother me one bit. (Nor would seeing 15 moms having lunch at a winery.)

Sure.