"Not a Meritocracy"

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Anonymous wrote:The flippant comments of the HOS are all the more infuriating when the fact is that most of the Big3 parents I know are not wringing their hands because their kid isn't getting into Harvard or Duke or Stanford. They are worried because their child, who has good grades, test scores, ECs, recs, etc., and who is busted their butt in school for the last four years, is getting deferred from Wisconsin, Tufts, Emory and Georgia. These are all good schools and 2-3 years ago, a strong (but not superstar) student at a Big 3 would have been an auto admit. But now these kids are being deferred. We'll see what happens in the next few weeks, but many families are really questioning whether the slog of a Big 3 high school is worth it.

Tufts had a 9% acceptance rate last year and Emory had an 11%. Both schools have had acceptance rates lower than 20% for the last 8 years. Their test score have always been high as well, and Emory is a top 20ish school. What are you talking about and why are you comparing them to Wisconsin and UGA?

The bigger issue is that schools like Tulane are taking nearly everyone ED. I believe for the 2022 HS class, 99% were admitted ED. I have heard that this year it is now like 87%. No idea what Emory's stats may be. I bet their stats looked significantly different 3+ years ago.

As a result, the ED acceptance rates are fairly high...40%+. Certain schools just decided to stop playing the yield game by filling the vast majority of their class ED.

private school, not controlled by the government, so they can continue to do this

Now if UVA/VaTech/UMD started doing this, then you'd have the right to complain.

Any school that accepts federal student loans, federal grant money, etc. is open to public scrutiny.

How far does this extend? Do catholic hospitals not have the right to not perform certain ob/gyn procedures because of their background? Can one monitor churches if the govt partners with them to provide social services?

Just because a school gets federal funding for research, how much control do you think it gives the govt over their undergrad class selection processes?

RIFRA and the First Amendment protect religious institution's. I'm not aware of similar protections for colleges wanting to suck up every dime possible

You are also not aware of how research grants work and what they are for.

I'm aware the the federal government can place whatever conditions they like on the acceptance of the grant. Here's the current list, not everything has to do with the actual research, https://www.nsf.gov/bfa/dias/policy/fedrtc/appendix_c.pdf If a university doesn't like a condition, they are free to not accept a grant.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amused by liberals who insist that everybody should be able to get a college education and in the same breath college Admissions at the elite schools has gotten super competitive and is broken

If you insist on making a bachelors college the new high school diploma, then yes, the desperate need to get to the "elite top 30" is going to get crazy because now that is the primary way students signal that they are smarter and different from the hordes attending college today.

That is going to result in a crazy admission process. Liberals, pick your poison. You can either have a small percentage of the population getting BS degrees as in the past or you can have a sane and relatively stress free admissions system. You cannot have both.

There market doesn't care about your vision of cosmic justice

Smart people know you can get an excellent education outside of "elite top 30". They also know only 50-60K freshman are headed to those 30 schools each year so majority will NOT get in. They will be fine.

Also, most liberals do not "want everyone to get a college degree". Most want them to continue their "education" if college is right then do that, if HVAC/Electrical/automotive repair training is right then do that.

Curious, but it seems the right is also against education but they feel the less education the better helps grow their constituency.

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Anonymous wrote:The flippant comments of the HOS are all the more infuriating when the fact is that most of the Big3 parents I know are not wringing their hands because their kid isn't getting into Harvard or Duke or Stanford. They are worried because their child, who has good grades, test scores, ECs, recs, etc., and who is busted their butt in school for the last four years, is getting deferred from Wisconsin, Tufts, Emory and Georgia. These are all good schools and 2-3 years ago, a strong (but not superstar) student at a Big 3 would have been an auto admit. But now these kids are being deferred. We'll see what happens in the next few weeks, but many families are really questioning whether the slog of a Big 3 high school is worth it.

Tufts had a 9% acceptance rate last year and Emory had an 11%. Both schools have had acceptance rates lower than 20% for the last 8 years. Their test score have always been high as well, and Emory is a top 20ish school. What are you talking about and why are you comparing them to Wisconsin and UGA?

The bigger issue is that schools like Tulane are taking nearly everyone ED. I believe for the 2022 HS class, 99% were admitted ED. I have heard that this year it is now like 87%. No idea what Emory's stats may be. I bet their stats looked significantly different 3+ years ago.

As a result, the ED acceptance rates are fairly high...40%+. Certain schools just decided to stop playing the yield game by filling the vast majority of their class ED.

Tulane and Emory aren't comparable. And Emory 3 years ago was a 17% acceptance rate so about UVA today.

Acceptance rate has little to do with caliber of the education and a lot to do with exterior factors, including marketing, making lots of kids want to apply v. size of the class.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amused by liberals who insist that everybody should be able to get a college education and in the same breath college Admissions at the elite schools has gotten super competitive and is broken

If you insist on making a bachelors college the new high school diploma, then yes, the desperate need to get to the "elite top 30" is going to get crazy because now that is the primary way students signal that they are smarter and different from the hordes attending college today.

That is going to result in a crazy admission process. Liberals, pick your poison. You can either have a small percentage of the population getting BS degrees as in the past or you can have a sane and relatively stress free admissions system. You cannot have both.

There market doesn't care about your vision of cosmic justice

Are UVA and Georgetown elite?

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Even meritocracies were never meritocracies. The concept of "merit" is too arbitrary in the first place. And then you have the inconvenient fact that children of wealthy and powerful people succeed at a rate that is statistically unlikely to be based on their individual merit.

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Wow, this tired thread is still going.