Maybe Rudi wasn’t drunk, but there are a lot of witnesses, not just the ones we heard from in the hearings, who testified under oath that Rudy was drunk. Rudy, who lied so much that he’s lost the ability to practice law.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Giuliani deleted the tweet denying that he was drunk.
I wonder how many of his remaining allies showed him the tweet saying "WTF, not drunk? Don't you remember spilling wine on me?"
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Yes but the Hatch Act is toothless and IOKIYAR. Trump wasn’t even pretending not to use White House resources for his campaign. The entire Republican National Convention was held there FFS. I’m old enough to remember when the entire universe freaked out that Al Gore made two fundraising calls from his office when he was Vice President.
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Yes but the Hatch Act is toothless and IOKIYAR. Trump wasn’t even pretending not to use White House resources for his campaign. The entire Republican National Convention was held there FFS. I’m old enough to remember when the entire universe freaked out that Al Gore made two fundraising calls from his office when he was Vice President.
Apparently the Hatch Act does have a criminal provision?
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Yes but the Hatch Act is toothless and IOKIYAR. Trump wasn’t even pretending not to use White House resources for his campaign. The entire Republican National Convention was held there FFS. I’m old enough to remember when the entire universe freaked out that Al Gore made two fundraising calls from his office when he was Vice President.
Apparently the Hatch Act does have a criminal provision?
Pretty egregious. I’m guessing Republicans won’t even attempt to defend this.
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Yes but the Hatch Act is toothless and IOKIYAR. Trump wasn’t even pretending not to use White House resources for his campaign. The entire Republican National Convention was held there FFS. I’m old enough to remember when the entire universe freaked out that Al Gore made two fundraising calls from his office when he was Vice President.
Apparently the Hatch Act does have a criminal provision?
Pretty egregious. I’m guessing Republicans won’t even attempt to defend this.
They will pivot: "Americans don't care that our country was almost taken over by insurrectionist. Gas prices! Supply chain! Illegals!"
And they would be correct. Rs actually don't care about real patriotism. Only their brand of it.
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Yes but the Hatch Act is toothless and IOKIYAR. Trump wasn’t even pretending not to use White House resources for his campaign. The entire Republican National Convention was held there FFS. I’m old enough to remember when the entire universe freaked out that Al Gore made two fundraising calls from his office when he was Vice President.
Apparently the Hatch Act does have a criminal provision?
Pretty egregious. I’m guessing Republicans won’t even attempt to defend this.
They will pivot: "Americans don't care that our country was almost taken over by insurrectionist. Gas prices! Supply chain! Illegals!"
And they would be correct. Rs actually don't care about real patriotism. Only their brand of it.
+100. It really is disappointing how so many voters are willing to throw away our Republic for the promise of lower gas prices.
In the most charitable interpretation, some extremist Republicans tried to overturn the election results. In the intervening year and a half, the entire party, save for a few who are now currently scorned as pariahs, has fought tooth and nail to pretend it never happened. Extremist Republicans have not lost an ounce of power; they have telegraphed what they want to do, and are already trying to do it in New Mexico.
Republicans - if you care about America, vote to purge the stain of Trumpism from your party in primaries, and if that doesn't work, vote Democratic in the general to prevent them from further abusing their office. Please.
Anonymous wrote:
Republican politicians are paying close attention and these hearings have the potential to sway their political direction.
None of them privately want Trump to be President again. However a lot of them have publicly supported him to gain a fund-raising advantage on the back of the right's massive efforts to find election fraud. They desperately need an external pivot, because they've boxed themselves in with Trump, despite wanting another conservative as President, someone who can win against Biden (easier in times of high inflation) and unite the Republican party, which is fractured right now in Trump and anti-Trump camps.
So everyone's watching and waiting for a few high-profile Republicans to lead them away from Trump.
DeSantis is loving this, and is the right-wing conservative a lot of voters could pivot to. On the other hand, Hogan can bill himself as a never-Trumper and a fresh start. Liz Cheney can ride on bipartisanship and the one who finally closed the chapter on Trump. The field is wide open, and the hearings are significantly decreasing Trump's chances of running again by showing that people in his orbit really thought he was crazy.
I agree with this statement. Look at Barr, trying to be all concerned calling Trump delusional. Look at Stepien calling himself "Team Normal". These guys were 1000% in on the grift, the lies, and coup but they got out just in time and are now on an image rehab tour. This gives cover for others to join in. Heck, even Fox is now showing the hearings. This. Is. Their. Offramp!
They're all gunning for DeSantis. All the MAGA w/out the tweets.
I'm grateful for the J6 committee and their work but they are setting this up to be only Trump and Team Crazy and the rot is so much deeper.
This is the truth. Every last one of these lying POSs was in on it. I don’t care what they say in their hearings and under oath; we know that Republicans have no problem lying under oath and in hearings. The rot is way, way deeper than this stuff. Trump and his cronies were way too effing stupid to accumulate the power and popularity that they had without help from the GOP machine.
Yes, but Democrats and reasonable Republicans need the help of these very same opportunistic politicians you're talking about, in order to cancel Trump. The hearings are the way out of Trumpland. It's not the way out of MAGA, or conspiracy theories, or the rising threat of Christian Nationalism / White Supremacy. It's just rational people offering an escape hatch for all the politicians who were in on the grift and lies, to pivot from their former leader and whitewash themselves.
This is how politics work, people! You have to negotiate with terrorists and people who are morally repulsive all the time. You think Liz Cheney is a heroine? Just in this one instance, she is. In any other matter, of course not! And there are plenty of Democrat vermin around - it's just that they've been given the role of the good guys for the past few years and nobody's looked too closely at them.
Beware of DeSantis, the heir to the MAGA crown. He's a career politician, he's much savvier than Trump, he knows exactly how to work the system, how far to go, and he's all in on gun rights and complete control of women. He might not be the kind of person to attempt a coup, but he won't need one to severe decrease your safety and rights as much as possible...
Yeah, let’s just repeat 1865’s mistakes. Just let seditious people, crazy people, people who went all on Q, people who may have planted bombs on 1/5, people who took money from foreign countries, let’s just let them “pivot.” Great idea.
And way to both sides things.
PP you replied to. You want realism, or you want daydreams?
The realist approach is that Christian Nationalism is not going away. It was there before Trump, and developed from the Tea Party with the help of Murdoch and the Koch brothers, until the original Tea Partiers were booted out for being too lefty.
Since none of these people are going away, what you want to do is get rid of Trump, who has no political opinion whatsoever, and just wants attention and semblance of power (he couldn't wield it when he had it). That guy is dangerous, as has been demonstrated with his proposal to nuke North Korea while in office, and to stay in power past his sell-by date.
But the others are politicians. They know what lines they can't cross, if left to their own devices, without a Trump egging them on. I don't agree with their policies, since I'm a lefty, but that's who we have to work with in these hearings to convince enough people to look beyond Trump.
And re "both sides": I'm mature enough and old enough to know that there are plenty of corrupt opportunists on both sides, yes. Only one party was crazy enough to attempt a coup. And years ago, only one party fought for the end of slavery. This year, we have the moral high ground. But over the course of American history, it's a lot fuzzier.
No, I’m a realist and you’re a dreamer. The white nationalism is out of the bag. The misogyny is in the open. The fascism is the official party line. There is no line that the Republicans won’t cross and they don’t even need Donald Trump to egg them on. We should have dealt with the rot in 1865 and we did not and that is why we are still dealing with them today.
And I’m old enough to understand, as you do not, that one party is a traitor and a thief, their body riddled with metastatic cancer and dementia and the other gets occasional constipation. There is no “both sides” on this. It’s not “this year” that the Democrats have the moral high ground, it’s for the last eighty years. And if we’re going back to the Civil War, the parties effectively flip-flopped around the Progressive Era and you well know it. Same group of people, different name.
NP. This goes back to the founding of our county when we appeased Southern States that it was A OK to hold humans in bondage. MAGA grew out of Tea Party, which grew out of Jim Crow, which before that was Confederacy all the way to Thomas Jefferson (narrator, “he was a conflicted man…”) The party names may have changed but this faction has ALWAYS been with us.
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Yes but the Hatch Act is toothless and IOKIYAR. Trump wasn’t even pretending not to use White House resources for his campaign. The entire Republican National Convention was held there FFS. I’m old enough to remember when the entire universe freaked out that Al Gore made two fundraising calls from his office when he was Vice President.
Apparently the Hatch Act does have a criminal provision?
Pretty egregious. I’m guessing Republicans won’t even attempt to defend this.
They will pivot: "Americans don't care that our country was almost taken over by insurrectionist. Gas prices! Supply chain! Illegals!"
And they would be correct. Rs actually don't care about real patriotism. Only their brand of it.
+100. It really is disappointing how so many voters are willing to throw away our Republic for the promise of lower gas prices.
In the most charitable interpretation, some extremist Republicans tried to overturn the election results. In the intervening year and a half, the entire party, save for a few who are now currently scorned as pariahs, has fought tooth and nail to pretend it never happened. Extremist Republicans have not lost an ounce of power; they have telegraphed what they want to do, and are already trying to do it in New Mexico.
Republicans - if you care about America, vote to purge the stain of Trumpism from your party in primaries, and if that doesn't work, vote Democratic in the general to prevent them from further abusing their office. Please.
And it is just the promise of lower gas prices. Once businesses have been given the green light to price gouge without consequence, as the GOP has done, you think they’re going to go back to some sort of semi-reality based pricing?
But plus one to your entire post. This is something that Republican voters are going to have to address. If they want to pretend that they’re really moderates after all, they’re going to have to actually moderate their extremism. I cannot believe how fast so many would dispose of the country, ignoring literal sedition.
Although they ignored literal treason by the same party, so my hopes are low that any Republicans are moderate.
Anonymous wrote:
Republican politicians are paying close attention and these hearings have the potential to sway their political direction.
None of them privately want Trump to be President again. However a lot of them have publicly supported him to gain a fund-raising advantage on the back of the right's massive efforts to find election fraud. They desperately need an external pivot, because they've boxed themselves in with Trump, despite wanting another conservative as President, someone who can win against Biden (easier in times of high inflation) and unite the Republican party, which is fractured right now in Trump and anti-Trump camps.
So everyone's watching and waiting for a few high-profile Republicans to lead them away from Trump.
DeSantis is loving this, and is the right-wing conservative a lot of voters could pivot to. On the other hand, Hogan can bill himself as a never-Trumper and a fresh start. Liz Cheney can ride on bipartisanship and the one who finally closed the chapter on Trump. The field is wide open, and the hearings are significantly decreasing Trump's chances of running again by showing that people in his orbit really thought he was crazy.
I agree with this statement. Look at Barr, trying to be all concerned calling Trump delusional. Look at Stepien calling himself "Team Normal". These guys were 1000% in on the grift, the lies, and coup but they got out just in time and are now on an image rehab tour. This gives cover for others to join in. Heck, even Fox is now showing the hearings. This. Is. Their. Offramp!
They're all gunning for DeSantis. All the MAGA w/out the tweets.
I'm grateful for the J6 committee and their work but they are setting this up to be only Trump and Team Crazy and the rot is so much deeper.
This is the truth. Every last one of these lying POSs was in on it. I don’t care what they say in their hearings and under oath; we know that Republicans have no problem lying under oath and in hearings. The rot is way, way deeper than this stuff. Trump and his cronies were way too effing stupid to accumulate the power and popularity that they had without help from the GOP machine.
Yes, but Democrats and reasonable Republicans need the help of these very same opportunistic politicians you're talking about, in order to cancel Trump. The hearings are the way out of Trumpland. It's not the way out of MAGA, or conspiracy theories, or the rising threat of Christian Nationalism / White Supremacy. It's just rational people offering an escape hatch for all the politicians who were in on the grift and lies, to pivot from their former leader and whitewash themselves.
This is how politics work, people! You have to negotiate with terrorists and people who are morally repulsive all the time. You think Liz Cheney is a heroine? Just in this one instance, she is. In any other matter, of course not! And there are plenty of Democrat vermin around - it's just that they've been given the role of the good guys for the past few years and nobody's looked too closely at them.
Beware of DeSantis, the heir to the MAGA crown. He's a career politician, he's much savvier than Trump, he knows exactly how to work the system, how far to go, and he's all in on gun rights and complete control of women. He might not be the kind of person to attempt a coup, but he won't need one to severe decrease your safety and rights as much as possible...
Yeah, let’s just repeat 1865’s mistakes. Just let seditious people, crazy people, people who went all on Q, people who may have planted bombs on 1/5, people who took money from foreign countries, let’s just let them “pivot.” Great idea.
And way to both sides things.
PP you replied to. You want realism, or you want daydreams?
The realist approach is that Christian Nationalism is not going away. It was there before Trump, and developed from the Tea Party with the help of Murdoch and the Koch brothers, until the original Tea Partiers were booted out for being too lefty.
Since none of these people are going away, what you want to do is get rid of Trump, who has no political opinion whatsoever, and just wants attention and semblance of power (he couldn't wield it when he had it). That guy is dangerous, as has been demonstrated with his proposal to nuke North Korea while in office, and to stay in power past his sell-by date.
But the others are politicians. They know what lines they can't cross, if left to their own devices, without a Trump egging them on. I don't agree with their policies, since I'm a lefty, but that's who we have to work with in these hearings to convince enough people to look beyond Trump.
And re "both sides": I'm mature enough and old enough to know that there are plenty of corrupt opportunists on both sides, yes. Only one party was crazy enough to attempt a coup. And years ago, only one party fought for the end of slavery. This year, we have the moral high ground. But over the course of American history, it's a lot fuzzier.
No, I’m a realist and you’re a dreamer. The white nationalism is out of the bag. The misogyny is in the open. The fascism is the official party line. There is no line that the Republicans won’t cross and they don’t even need Donald Trump to egg them on. We should have dealt with the rot in 1865 and we did not and that is why we are still dealing with them today.
And I’m old enough to understand, as you do not, that one party is a traitor and a thief, their body riddled with metastatic cancer and dementia and the other gets occasional constipation. There is no “both sides” on this. It’s not “this year” that the Democrats have the moral high ground, it’s for the last eighty years. And if we’re going back to the Civil War, the parties effectively flip-flopped around the Progressive Era and you well know it. Same group of people, different name.
NP. This goes back to the founding of our county when we appeased Southern States that it was A OK to hold humans in bondage. MAGA grew out of Tea Party, which grew out of Jim Crow, which before that was Confederacy all the way to Thomas Jefferson (narrator, “he was a conflicted man…”) The party names may have changed but this faction has ALWAYS been with us.
Now the question is, where do we go from here?
I’m that PP. Yes, you are correct and I apologize that I used white centric framing like that (as the Civil War was the first time that our racist underpinnings really affected White people in most of the country). It is the same beast, from start to finish. Old Scratch, really.
Indeed, where do we go from here? Cheney is doing the right thing here (I literally had to chuckle to myself that I wrote that. 2001-2009 me is appalled) but is she moderate in anything else? Mitt Romney does the sort of right thing, sometimes, but does he moderate or grow or change?
So we just watch the GOP wreck the country and these hearings should be showing everyone the truth but it seems most Republicans - “moderates” - are ignoring them.
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Yes but the Hatch Act is toothless and IOKIYAR. Trump wasn’t even pretending not to use White House resources for his campaign. The entire Republican National Convention was held there FFS. I’m old enough to remember when the entire universe freaked out that Al Gore made two fundraising calls from his office when he was Vice President.
Apparently the Hatch Act does have a criminal provision?
Pretty egregious. I’m guessing Republicans won’t even attempt to defend this.
They will pivot: "Americans don't care that our country was almost taken over by insurrectionist. Gas prices! Supply chain! Illegals!"
And they would be correct. Rs actually don't care about real patriotism. Only their brand of it.
I hope Trump and everyone involved in this scheme get their comeuppance. Also, if this scheme has some legal merit (however tenuous), and the Dems in power knew about it and how it would play out, and if everyone cares so deeply about saving the Republic, why the heck was the focus on trying to pass BBB for a year and a half rather than focusing on fixing whatever loophole exists that would support this plan?!?
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing. They all knew Trump didn't win but were so desperate to stay in power they did nothing.
Traitors all.
+1 Look at them.
The hands over mouths, the furrowed, sweaty brows... Nope it sure doesn't look like a confident winning team.
Also - that looks like a room in the White House. Is that allowed for campaigns? Not a violation of the Hatch Act or other laws to use official taxpayer-funded government resources for a political campaign?
Yes but the Hatch Act is toothless and IOKIYAR. Trump wasn’t even pretending not to use White House resources for his campaign. The entire Republican National Convention was held there FFS. I’m old enough to remember when the entire universe freaked out that Al Gore made two fundraising calls from his office when he was Vice President.
Apparently the Hatch Act does have a criminal provision?
Pretty egregious. I’m guessing Republicans won’t even attempt to defend this.
They will pivot: "Americans don't care that our country was almost taken over by insurrectionist. Gas prices! Supply chain! Illegals!"
And they would be correct. Rs actually don't care about real patriotism. Only their brand of it.
I hope Trump and everyone involved in this scheme get their comeuppance. Also, if this scheme has some legal merit (however tenuous), and the Dems in power knew about it and how it would play out, and if everyone cares so deeply about saving the Republic, why the heck was the focus on trying to pass BBB for a year and a half rather than focusing on fixing whatever loophole exists that would support this plan?!?
Ifs are doing a lot of heavy lifting in your post and nowhere do you note that the GOP has blocked everything. They have the numbers in the Senate to do so (with Collins, Graham and Tillis especially having magically outstripped their polling to wing by pretty healthy margins). Stop “iffing” about the Democrats and demand that the GOP act with America’s interests in mind for a change.
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