ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

[Anonymous]

Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

No predictions for the 2007s?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

No predictions for the 2007s?

3rd - 5th range

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:McLean no longer has ECNL. Keep up

No ma’am, you keep up. McLean has ECNL and it always will. They may call it VAU or FVU but the people pulling the strings are and will always be McLean. Even with just a third of the FVU votes, McLean has already outmaneuvered the other two parties.

As soon as teams start to officially meet, Brave parents are going to quickly find out who’s really in control. All USYNT camp invites will be going to McLean players first. Oh, your kid was an amazing player over at Brave? They got a good amount of playing time? Let’s see what happens now. Pay close attention to the three teams MV is involved with. Let’s see if he can fulfill what he promised to his top players that followed him.

McLean ECNL is here to stay.

ECNL is a joke. MLSNext or nothing.

MLSNext is a joke. MLS Academy or nothing.

Europe or nothing.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, I could see FVU 2011 girls at the bottom of the table next season. They’re definitely not getting better due to the Brave merger and they lost a few of their best players. They were the worse ECNL team in the state of VA this year. Hope things turn around for this age group!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’re definitely not getting better due to the Brave merger.

What makes you say this?

We’ve seen this movie before. BRYC got Vienna players. McLean got SYC players. Was there a single BRYC or McLean girls’ team that got worse when Brave and Union formed? Boys’ side was different due to SYC MLS Next plus BRYC boys’ coaches forming a new club.

Having a better team (Brave 11s) merged with them is somehow not going to improve Union 11s? Unless the best Brave players chose to go elsewhere, I don’t see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re definitely not getting better due to the Brave merger.

What makes you say this?

We’ve seen this movie before. BRYC got Vienna players. McLean got SYC players. Was there a single BRYC or McLean girls’ team that got worse when Brave and Union formed? Boys’ side was different due to SYC MLS Next plus BRYC boys’ coaches forming a new club.

Having a better team (Brave 11s) merged with them is somehow not going to improve Union 11s? Unless the best Brave players chose to go elsewhere, I don’t see that.

That really depend on how they use the players from Brave vs Union.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re definitely not getting better due to the Brave merger.

What makes you say this?

We’ve seen this movie before. BRYC got Vienna players. McLean got SYC players. Was there a single BRYC or McLean girls’ team that got worse when Brave and Union formed? Boys’ side was different due to SYC MLS Next plus BRYC boys’ coaches forming a new club.

Having a better team (Brave 11s) merged with them is somehow not going to improve Union 11s? Unless the best Brave players chose to go elsewhere, I don’t see that.

This current page is basically dedicated to saying the 2011’s will fail. Somehow the 2011’s are the only age group that finishes lower than this past year after combining their teams according to prediction guy.

[Anonymous]

We’re getting a large number of Brave players. I’m excited for it. What’s not to like about new talent? The coaching situation is the biggest Q. But in this area, that can change at any time on almost any team.

It is a little sad for some of the current players who didn’t get an offer, but again, that’s BAU for travel soccer, especially at higher levels. We are good friends with many, and know they will do well on their new teams and clubs. Some we will play against, which is always a little weird, but again, nothing new.

While there were a few mild surprises, if you had asked in advance who on the current team wouldn’t get an offer, most could have accurately predicted it. We lost a few starters, but again, that happens BAU, and I believe would have happened even without the merger.

We know the roster and the new players, and I’m optimistic the team will improve considerably. It felt fair in the end.

[Anonymous]

There were many players who did not made it, and were very good players. These favors the ECNL regionals teams, since teams will get better. Please stop the hate to FVU, for all those stayed best of luck next season!

[Anonymous]

I am the PP who posted the predictions. The reason I placed the 2011s where I did is primarily because this forum reported that Union has a majority of players on next years FVU team. That is, the weaker team has a majority of players on the new team. This forum also reported that a Brave player and a Union player are going to Arlington and because that is a top team I presumed those two players are strong and would be a loss to FVU. This forum has also reported more Union players leaving than Brave players but I didn’t take this into account since Union is the weaker team.

Second, I looked at goal differential which puts Brave at 8th and Union at 10th.

Third, looking at the standings and goal differential numbers it looks like Arlington and Charlotte are the clear 1 and 2, followed by a pack of VDA, Courage, Richmond, and Beach (based on GD maybe Courage underperformed?) After that there seems to be a gulf to 7th place.

If I have overlooked some data please write in, but sentimential statement like “we hope for the best” or “stop trashing FVU” misses the point of my post which is really trying to be objective and data based. Not trying to offend anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who posted the predictions. The reason I placed the 2011s where I did is primarily because this forum reported that Union has a majority of players on next years FVU team. That is, the weaker team has a majority of players on the new team. This forum also reported that a Brave player and a Union player are going to Arlington and because that is a top team I presumed those two players are strong and would be a loss to FVU. This forum has also reported more Union players leaving than Brave players but I didn’t take this into account since Union is the weaker team.

Second, I looked at goal differential which puts Brave at 8th and Union at 10th.

Third, looking at the standings and goal differential numbers it looks like Arlington and Charlotte are the clear 1 and 2, followed by a pack of VDA, Courage, Richmond, and Beach (based on GD maybe Courage underperformed?) After that there seems to be a gulf to 7th place.

If I have overlooked some data please write in, but sentimential statement like “we hope for the best” or “stop trashing FVU” misses the point of my post which is really trying to be objective and data based. Not trying to offend anyone.

Go crunch stats on the stock market. It’s just goofy to do it with youth soccer results.

[Anonymous]

The Union 2011s who departed for other teams generally left for more playing time. Some were starters and some were not. Some did not get offers. I don't blame anyone for moving on.

For all of those who did not play sports at much a level growing up or maybe can't remember, I'm here to tell you that a lot changes for girls between 7th and 9th grade. Players can improve dramatically during this phase. And keep improving. Others get injured, burn out, or choose another sport all together. Things change on all fronts. I wouldn't write off any team or player too soon !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Union 2011s who departed for other teams generally left for more playing time. Some were starters and some were not. Some did not get offers. I don't blame anyone for moving on.

For all of those who did not play sports at much a level growing up or maybe can't remember, I'm here to tell you that a lot changes for girls between 7th and 9th grade. Players can improve dramatically during this phase. And keep improving. Others get injured, burn out, or choose another sport all together. Things change on all fronts. I wouldn't write off any team or player too soon !

Those players left for better teams to get more playing time? That doesn’t make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who posted the predictions. The reason I placed the 2011s where I did is primarily because this forum reported that Union has a majority of players on next years FVU team. That is, the weaker team has a majority of players on the new team. This forum also reported that a Brave player and a Union player are going to Arlington and because that is a top team I presumed those two players are strong and would be a loss to FVU. This forum has also reported more Union players leaving than Brave players but I didn’t take this into account since Union is the weaker team.

Second, I looked at goal differential which puts Brave at 8th and Union at 10th.

Third, looking at the standings and goal differential numbers it looks like Arlington and Charlotte are the clear 1 and 2, followed by a pack of VDA, Courage, Richmond, and Beach (based on GD maybe Courage underperformed?) After that there seems to be a gulf to 7th place.

If I have overlooked some data please write in, but sentimential statement like “we hope for the best” or “stop trashing FVU” misses the point of my post which is really trying to be objective and data based. Not trying to offend anyone.

Yeah, but was is the point of keep beating the same data day after day? Results will for sure show next season. Let them be!