"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

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I think the words "open up" are very subjective. It's all about what those words mean, right? The "open up" can definitely happen, but it needs to be gradual and with the use of testing for those with high public contact (retail and restaurants). People seem to want retail to open and that needs to be monitored. I think we can all agree that crowded bars and big events where people mingle will not be reopening soon. There is some middle ground here. The schools are definitely a problem because those are crowded places. There may be some innovative way to bring students to school on a rotating schedule in order to keep the school less crowded at any given time, but many school events would not be allowed even in such a scenario. Plenty of older teachers would be reticent about working with students because it's really hard to socially distance when trying to help students. Just my two cents.

Problem is you've got some folks who'll just go to Busch Gardens because it's all overblown. Not a thoughtful consideration of how to re-open different types of businesses, a discussion of the flaws and benefits of a Swedish-style slowdown, a mention of how to get PPE for people and how to protect high risk people who are still in the workforce ... nope, just open it all up, it's a liberal hoax, I'll take my kids to Busch Gardens.

PP who said I would take my kids to Busch Gardens. I don't believe for a second that it's all a liberal hoax. I realize the risk. But I personally don't view a virus that kills less than 2%, and quite likely well below that, as being something very scary.

lol good luck riding the rides safely at Busch Gardens when 50% of the ride operators and management are out with COVID.

Until you stop repeating the "2% death" line like a) that's not huge in and of itself and b) ignoring all the other impacts of the illness, I don't want to hear from you again.

Is that the infection rate at Busch Gardens? Did you get that from the Virginia Health Dept website?

[Anonymous]

You can reopen but it doesn’t me people will come and spend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I worry about the risks of opening too soon and certainly opening without widespread testing available and in play.

At the same time, I’m really worried about the impact of prolonged quarantine on communities already struggling. There’s a public health effect of the financial devastation. And I worry that it may tip the scales for people to either reopen prematurely and/or favor Trump and his “return to work” message - hurting the people who are most vulnerable all around (economically and health wise).

This article from WaPo does a good job describing challenges that many of us in the DC area don’t experience bc we are buffered by federal employment and affluence (though I know working and middle class families are certainly suffering in this area too).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/first-the-coronavirus-pandemic-took-their-jobs-then-it-wiped-out-their-health-insurance/2020/04/18/1c2cb5bc-7d7c-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html

There is an even more devastating effect when all of the front line workers, all of the grocery store clerks, all of the food processer workers, all of the truck drivers etc are sick or dead. It is really easy for the average DCUM right winger to site in their living room asking others to take on daily risk because they are out of their job temporarily.

Yep. If those idiot protesters were also protesting to protect front-line workers, then I'd have some respect.

Likely many of the protesters are front line workers since you placed them in the “idiot” category, DCUM elite speak at its finest.

uh, you realize the front line workers are, you know, working, right? they would either be working yesterday or would be exhausted from having worked on friday and would not be taking the time on a saturday to protest getting the country back to work. I think you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.

[Anonymous]

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I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.

No, there are clearly people who protested yesterday or are posting here right now who have zero concern about minimizing infection.

I think the bigger issue is that the protesters are realizing that their jobs aren't all that necessary for society to function.

[jsteele]

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I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.

Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Safe distancing according to PP:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.

No, there are clearly people who protested yesterday or are posting here right now who have zero concern about minimizing infection.

I think the bigger issue is that the protesters are realizing that their jobs aren't all that necessary for society to function.

You are joking. You must be.
Many of these protestors are business owners who don't want their businesses to go down the drain. They are restaurant owners, beauty shop and barber shop owners, and owners of other businesses that were actually thriving before the virus hit.
Their businesses are essential - for them to put food on their tables, a roof over their heads, and give millions of others a job.

And, Nancy has not helped by refusing to continue to fund the PPP. And, these voters will not forget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

The Maryland protesters never got out of their cars. In Michigan, they absolutely did and there was minimal social distancing.

Now do Texas. Did you see the images of Alex Jones yesterday?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Venturing into NYC metro IS risking your life.

Smartly reopening things in low-density, non-impacted areas is not.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Safe distancing according to PP:

A newspaper in Sacramento? Doctored or stock photos have been used many times by the complicit media in the past. Keep trying Jeffy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worry about the risks of opening too soon and certainly opening without widespread testing available and in play.

At the same time, I’m really worried about the impact of prolonged quarantine on communities already struggling. There’s a public health effect of the financial devastation. And I worry that it may tip the scales for people to either reopen prematurely and/or favor Trump and his “return to work” message - hurting the people who are most vulnerable all around (economically and health wise).

This article from WaPo does a good job describing challenges that many of us in the DC area don’t experience bc we are buffered by federal employment and affluence (though I know working and middle class families are certainly suffering in this area too).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/first-the-coronavirus-pandemic-took-their-jobs-then-it-wiped-out-their-health-insurance/2020/04/18/1c2cb5bc-7d7c-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html

There is an even more devastating effect when all of the front line workers, all of the grocery store clerks, all of the food processer workers, all of the truck drivers etc are sick or dead. It is really easy for the average DCUM right winger to site in their living room asking others to take on daily risk because they are out of their job temporarily.

Yep. If those idiot protesters were also protesting to protect front-line workers, then I'd have some respect.

Likely many of the protesters are front line workers since you placed them in the “idiot” category, DCUM elite speak at its finest.

uh, you realize the front line workers are, you know, working, right? they would either be working yesterday or would be exhausted from having worked on friday and would not be taking the time on a saturday to protest getting the country back to work. I think you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Well, I was at the rally in Annapolis and talked to a husband and wife USPS letter carriers, a Giant home delivery driver who was there with his son who works at a Giant, and two Safeway pharmacists. I work in a Whole Foods shipping center.

The “working class” does get days off and are stronger and need less rest than the keyboard pushers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.

No, there are clearly people who protested yesterday or are posting here right now who have zero concern about minimizing infection.

I think the bigger issue is that the protesters are realizing that their jobs aren't all that necessary for society to function.

You are joking. You must be.
Many of these protestors are business owners who don't want their businesses to go down the drain. They are restaurant owners, beauty shop and barber shop owners, and owners of other businesses that were actually thriving before the virus hit.
Their businesses are essential - for them to put food on their tables, a roof over their heads, and give millions of others a job.

And, Nancy has not helped by refusing to continue to fund the PPP. And, these voters will not forget.

Nancy is trying to get more money for the hospitals. Why does the GOP fight that? She is trying to get money for those business owners while the GOP is raping the treasury on behalf of real estate developers and huge, publicly traded businesses.

And yes, the salon owners etc that you mention are important, but they cannot open safely as is right now without the risk of infecting their workers, their customers and their families. What about that are you not understanding? I sure as heck am not getting a haircut or pedicure any time soon, even if the businesses manage to force their opening.

there is a differnce between a thriving business (the ones you list) and an essential business like grocery store or PTE manufacturer

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.

Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.

FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week