Sidwell Paid a family $50K and agree to change grades??????????

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks sounding so indignant about how the family reacted would probably work the system if their kid were shut out.

Most parents would have accepted school advice not to have their kid apply to all Ivys and reach schools like Duke. Stupid and entitled doesn’t make it the school’s fault. And it sure as hell doesn’t amount to a federal civil rights case!

+1 Seems like the parents were idiots to sign off on a slate of highly selective schools and then were shocked when their kid didn't get in.

She got into U Penn. The parents were vindicated for sure.

Not really. By her own admission she didn’t get an unconditional offer of acceptance. Some schools may have been prepared to admit her after a year. That seems to be what happened. But she’s suing because her family evidently doesn’t think that Penn is good enough.

No, she reapplied.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks sounding so indignant about how the family reacted would probably work the system if their kid were shut out.

Most parents would have accepted school advice not to have their kid apply to all Ivys and reach schools like Duke. Stupid and entitled doesn’t make it the school’s fault. And it sure as hell doesn’t amount to a federal civil rights case!

+1 Seems like the parents were idiots to sign off on a slate of highly selective schools and then were shocked when their kid didn't get in.

She applied on her own after a year and got in. Ooops! She clearly is Ivy material. She is now an Ivy graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a student, an athlete, NMSF. She is Black. Her parents are well to do.
According to DCUM, she should be a shoo in anywhere.
something is not right.

As hard as it may be for some people to grasp this, the girl most likely received very lukewarm or even damning college recommendation letters from the teachers. Not because she was black, not because she was the daughter of immigrants, but because she most likely had an attitude they did not like. There are kids every year who apply to top colleges with top grades and scores and get rejected because the teacher recs were weak because the students were not likable. And it sounds like this particular girl, perhaps influenced by her parents, was just not likable. I certainly remember unlikable kids from my graduating class. Arrogant, pushy, obnoxious, despite having excellent grades and scores, and they were white, too.

When colleges see that the recs are weak and even imply unpleasant characteristics in the student, they are quick to reject because they have so many to pick from.

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Why don’t you just say “uppity” and be done with it?

Thank you for saying it out loud.

Yep, and these parents CLEARLY had a chip on their shoulder—I mean, she ended up at any IVY. As a black family, they should feel fortunate. Who cares if they wanted her to have other choices so she could consider fit? They should be happy.

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Sidwell’s big mistake was in not kicking this family out of the school years ago. They were scammers and grifters and clearly despised for their difficult behavior. They have misused and perverted the Justice system to feed their twisted egos. No wonder the courts ordered them to pay the school’s legal fees.

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If URM affirmative action didn’t exist the girl wouldn’t even have been in the conversation for the colleges she applied to. And even then, it was a real stretch at nearly all of them.

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Anonymous wrote:When I read the CNN article, my first thought was what f**king parents? Then I found this thread and discover that the student was a good student and have the score to enter any selective college as a black girl. One of the 14 NMSF in entire DC. How many students in sidwell or othe top private schools were accepted into the ivys? If she was in a public school, she will be the poster child student. Unfortunately, she parents made a BIG mistake sending her to Sidwell. She could be the largest fish in a smaller pond, but in Sidwell, as a child of an immigrant, she was nobody! The parents may think my daughter has better grade than the famous first daughter and they have the same skin color. If the first daughter could.get into Harvard, my daughter should have a chance. When thing didnt go their way, they sue. Watched too much American TV and movies! Her parents dont know how to mingle with the elite and thought they can sue their way into the upper class.
I see the whole episode as how new immigrants struggle to climb social ladder. The door towards the elite class is closed to outsider. Breaking the code is not easy. It takes more than SAT and GPA. I wish the girl learneda few thing in Penn and find her way to move up. I am also guessing the family must belong to elite class in their home country.

She was not one of NMSF If you have read the entire thread. Her award is not psat grade-based. I got confused at beginning and then somebody pointed out. Also she had a C in her transcript. So she could not be the real top student In her class in Sidwell.

She was a National Achievement semi finalist, which is part of the National Merit program. It is for the top-scoring PSAT students who are black. She was one of only 14 students in all of DC to earn the distinction. Given that and her other achievements (sports), it’s pretty inexplicable that she would be the only student in all of Sidwell not to gain unconditional admission.

So it means her score was not high enough to be NMSF. She was not one of the 14 NMSF in Sidwell that year. We don’t know her whole academic profile, but it is very likely she was not at the top 15% of her class. It is impossible to get admitted into any ivy if not at the top 5 in a public school. Someone who is familiar with DC private may tell college placement of the top 15-25% students. My common sense tells this is a ridiculous case.

No one said she was. She was a National Achievement Semifinalist. That is a program under the National Merit program that recognizes the top-scoring African Americans in the U.S. She had one of the 14 top scores (presumably this also has a cutoff score) in all of DC. So when factored against all the other African Americans at all the other top privates and publics in DC, she had one of the 14 best scores in all of DC. This absolutely should have made her a very competitive candidate. And, ultimately, she did graduate with a degree from Penn in Engineering. She was indeed qualified as evidenced by the final outcome.

When she applied for college, unfortunately she was compared with her peer students from Sidwell. For example, if other NMSF students or students ranked higher were applying the same ivy (very likely because her college list includes all best schools), she may be the bottom one in that particular applicant pool. The school has to offer the true information for AO to compare. You can’t blame the school to tell the truth. It could be totally different if she was in a different school with the same academic profile where she ranked at top 1.

She went to an IVY a year later!!!!!

And so she is claiming an injury how ?

She DESERVED a choice of Harvard Princeton and Yale. And she didn’t get it. That must be Sidwell’s fault for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a student, an athlete, NMSF. She is Black. Her parents are well to do.
According to DCUM, she should be a shoo in anywhere.
something is not right.

As hard as it may be for some people to grasp this, the girl most likely received very lukewarm or even damning college recommendation letters from the teachers. Not because she was black, not because she was the daughter of immigrants, but because she most likely had an attitude they did not like. There are kids every year who apply to top colleges with top grades and scores and get rejected because the teacher recs were weak because the students were not likable. And it sounds like this particular girl, perhaps influenced by her parents, was just not likable. I certainly remember unlikable kids from my graduating class. Arrogant, pushy, obnoxious, despite having excellent grades and scores, and they were white, too.

When colleges see that the recs are weak and even imply unpleasant characteristics in the student, they are quick to reject because they have so many to pick from.

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Why don’t you just say “uppity” and be done with it?

Thank you for saying it out loud.

Her problem was that her academic record wasn’t so “uppity.”

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks sounding so indignant about how the family reacted would probably work the system if their kid were shut out.

Most parents would have accepted school advice not to have their kid apply to all Ivys and reach schools like Duke. Stupid and entitled doesn’t make it the school’s fault. And it sure as hell doesn’t amount to a federal civil rights case!

+1 Seems like the parents were idiots to sign off on a slate of highly selective schools and then were shocked when their kid didn't get in.

She applied on her own after a year and got in. Ooops! She clearly is Ivy material. She is now an Ivy graduate.

And so what are her damages ?

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Anonymous wrote:And she was DC state champion in the 100 meters during her senior year!
https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=2935244

So impressive. If DC is a “state” then I suppose she must have been Harvard material.

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell’s big mistake was in not kicking this family out of the school years ago. They were scammers and grifters and clearly despised for their difficult behavior. They have misused and perverted the Justice system to feed their twisted egos. No wonder the courts ordered them to pay the school’s legal fees.

Yup.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a student, an athlete, NMSF. She is Black. Her parents are well to do.
According to DCUM, she should be a shoo in anywhere.
something is not right.

As hard as it may be for some people to grasp this, the girl most likely received very lukewarm or even damning college recommendation letters from the teachers. Not because she was black, not because she was the daughter of immigrants, but because she most likely had an attitude they did not like. There are kids every year who apply to top colleges with top grades and scores and get rejected because the teacher recs were weak because the students were not likable. And it sounds like this particular girl, perhaps influenced by her parents, was just not likable. I certainly remember unlikable kids from my graduating class. Arrogant, pushy, obnoxious, despite having excellent grades and scores, and they were white, too.

When colleges see that the recs are weak and even imply unpleasant characteristics in the student, they are quick to reject because they have so many to pick from.

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Why don’t you just say “uppity” and be done with it?

Thank you for saying it out loud.

Yep, and these parents CLEARLY had a chip on their shoulder—I mean, she ended up at any IVY. As a black family, they should feel fortunate. Who cares if they wanted her to have other choices so she could consider fit? They should be happy.

/s

What the heck does that mean??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is a student, an athlete, NMSF. She is Black. Her parents are well to do.
According to DCUM, she should be a shoo in anywhere.
something is not right.

As hard as it may be for some people to grasp this, the girl most likely received very lukewarm or even damning college recommendation letters from the teachers. Not because she was black, not because she was the daughter of immigrants, but because she most likely had an attitude they did not like. There are kids every year who apply to top colleges with top grades and scores and get rejected because the teacher recs were weak because the students were not likable. And it sounds like this particular girl, perhaps influenced by her parents, was just not likable. I certainly remember unlikable kids from my graduating class. Arrogant, pushy, obnoxious, despite having excellent grades and scores, and they were white, too.

When colleges see that the recs are weak and even imply unpleasant characteristics in the student, they are quick to reject because they have so many to pick from.

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Why don’t you just say “uppity” and be done with it?

Thank you for saying it out loud.

Her problem was that her academic record wasn’t so “uppity.”

U Penn thought her academic credentials were “uppity”. After Sidwell sent her corrected transcripts.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t get into the colleges I wanted to go to and that everyone around me thought I would get in — many students have this experience.

Did I sue? No. I went to my safety school, studied hard, and later transferred to my top-choice school.

There are no guarantees. It is a subjective process and luck plays a big role.

You were not wronged in the process. That is the point of the case. Not knows what your academic profile looks like

How do you know it’s a perfect process? If you really want to accuse the school, you can always find out something improper. The majority of people are reasonable so they won’t do that. From any aspect the girl did not have a profile that guaranteed his admission. She didn’t have any impressive national level awards for academics (math, writing, debating, Intel, etc.) or ECs. I have heard enough stories about students winning national awards not getting into the Ivies they wanted to attend.

She was a nationally ranked academic based on exams and All-American athlete. So she excelled on both fronts. Read the case.

We read the case. The family lost teice, big time. The court even sanctioned them by ordering the family to pay Sidwell’s legal costs, something done in the case of a very frivolous, abusive lawsuit.

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell’s big mistake was in not kicking this family out of the school years ago. They were scammers and grifters and clearly despised for their difficult behavior. They have misused and perverted the Justice system to feed their twisted egos. No wonder the courts ordered them to pay the school’s legal fees.

Yup.

Half of Sidwell’s students would be expelled if the criteria were difficult parents’ behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell’s big mistake was in not kicking this family out of the school years ago. They were scammers and grifters and clearly despised for their difficult behavior. They have misused and perverted the Justice system to feed their twisted egos. No wonder the courts ordered them to pay the school’s legal fees.

This has clearly touched a nerve for you.