The number of Washingtonians killed each year by speeding drivers has been going up, not down, even as the number of tickets issued has exploded. Per the Bowser administration: 2024: 20 2023: 22 2022: 9 2021: 12 2020: 15 2019: 10 2018: 9 2017: 12 2016: 8 2015: 11 2014: 12 2013: 11 |
An interesting observation, but the Congressional Research Service (CRS), National Highway Traffic Safety Association (NHTSA), Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) are probably better informed and maybe a little bit more objective than you (or the AAA for that matter). As noted in the CRS report on automated traffic enforcement (ATE) (https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R46552/R46552.1.pdf), "There have been many studies of speed camera programs; most have concluded that speed cameras reduced speeding and/or crashes in the vicinity of the cameras, and in some cases in the surrounding areas. Several reviews that looked at dozens of studies from around the world found that despite methodological issues in most studies, speed cameras reduce speeding and/or crashes. In its evidence-based guide to traffic safety measures, NHTSA gives ATE (including both speed cameras and red light cameras) the highest rating for effectiveness; the setting of speed limits themselves is the only other countermeasure rated as demonstrated to be effective in limiting speeding. Similarly, automated speed enforcement is the only speeding-related countermeasure included by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in its tool to enable states to model cost-effective interventions to reduce traffic deaths and injuries. The NTSB also considers automated speed enforcement to be “an effective countermeasure to reduce speeding-related crashes, fatalities, and injuries.” Or would you rather we have more speeding-related crashes, fatalities, and injuries? |
You again! And your lies haven't changed one iota . . . No, those are not the numbers of people killed by speeding drivers, as has been explained to you probably more than a dozen times. |
Ok, so when did the explosion in ticketing begin to reduce traffic deaths? Which year? Here's the number of speeding-driver deaths in DC from the past decade: 2024: 20 2023: 22 2022: 9 2021: 12 2020: 15 2019: 10 2018: 9 2017: 12 2016: 8 2015: 11 2014: 12 2013: 11 |
| I loathe the cameras but I consistently drive more slowly because of them. I also wait impatiently at red lights rather than stopping, looking, and taking a right, which is the more rational, non-DC approach. I also dutifully pay any tickets I get. Notably, however, I see dozens of cars every day that speed, run red lights, drive around me when I’m stopped at a red so they can turn right. It occurs to me that the cameras only impact certain people. |
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I pretty much agree with the anti-camera people. They don’t work well enough.
It’s time to redesign our streets to deprioritize cars instead. It’s clear they won’t behave themselves so it’s time to start removing them. |
So you're admitting that DC drivers don't care about laws and consequences. |
Have you seen the guys on mopeds and e-bikes blowing stop signs at 40mph? Have you seen cyclists? They don't obey *any* traffic laws. I'd say drivers are the most law abiding people on the road. |
| The speed cameras aren't located in areas with pedestrians. They're located on roads where you could conceivably go very fast, which aren't where pedestrians tend to be. For example, do you see pedestrians walking along the Potomac River Freeway? Or on DC-295? Or in the K Street tunnel? Come on folks, of course pedestrian fatalities don't decrease because of the cameras because the cameras aren't placed where the pedestrians are! |
So the fines don’t work. We know this. |
Who knows if the fines work? People are completely free not to pay them - they can renew their licenses, register their vehicles, and suffer no other adverse consequences (bar a negligible risk of being towed if they park on the same spor on a public street for days on end) even if they have thousands in unpaid fines. Between this and the complete absence of any traffic enforcement by DC MPD, reckless drivers have free rein over DC streets. Even if they kill someone, they can plead guilty to “failure to yield” and walk away with a $50 fine and a few hours of community service. But Kenyon is out there arguing that drivers are being “preyed on” by enforcement? WTF? |
The K Street tunnel has crosswalks on either side and is used by cyclists etc.. The DC government could probably find better places for the 295 and Potomac River Freeway cameras, I agree, but those are only two of many hundreds of cameras across DC. Most are placed in residential areas. |
Cyclists and e-bike riders are allowed by DC law to treat stop signs as yields. This has been the way for a few years now. |
The evidence shows that these numbers would have been considerably higher in the complete absence of traffic cameras, but would have been considerably lower if drivers accruing fines were required to actually pay them and if DC MPD hadn’t all but completely given up on traffic enforcement from 2020 onwards. |
Source? Because this sounds totally made up. |