Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Anybody with half a brain cell and object permanence would realize that this exact same argument can be flipped to apply to 2020 and 2012 and 2008 and…. “The voters resoundingly rejected the GOP! Every single voter flipped the lever for Dem policies! The GOP is arrogant and out of touch with the entire electorate! They’ll be out of power forever! They’d better start figuring out what went wrong and reaching out to Dem voters, the only voters who matter!”

The Republicans DID reach out to Dem voters. Trump's first term generated a ton of job growth for African Americans. The GOP is now completely fine with gay marriage. The old GOP was all about offshoring and illegal immigration to keep wages down. The new GOP now wins with middle and working class voters who used to be Democrats. Have Democrats displayed that same flexibility? Or should we just assume that the margins will always stay razor thin and we'll win our fair share of elections no matter what?

Sugarpuss, the GOP isn’t “completely fine with gay marriage”. I’m very sorry to break this to you, but they are actively working to overturn Obergefell. They are moving their way through the lower courts trying to get back in front of SCOTUS to put an end to gay marriage.
Here’s the thing- you can keep lying about what republicans want, but the facts are the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:The preference of voters is now and has been for a while … democratic policies.
The issue is that they ascribe those ( democratic) polices, that they like to:… republicans.
Harris told us exactly what she would do, and voters didn’t believe her.
Trump ALSO told us exactly what he planned to do ( aside from magically fixing the price of everything day 1)
But he told us he planned tariffs. He told us he planned to get revenge on political rivals.
He told us he wasn’t going to support Ukraine.
And voters didn’t believe him.
So I don’t know how you win with an electorate that is immediately and unfailing credulous with whatever republicans tell them and completely unwilling to believe democrats.

There’s a message here for us. There’s a reason people don’t believe what we say. It’s that we lie, mostly to ourselves. We insist that middle and working class Republicans are “voting against their own interests” because we imagine ourselves to be the party of compassion and competence. But income inequality has never once decreased under Democrats in our lifetimes. We deny that we’re the party more favorably disposed toward illegal immigration. Is that credible? We deny that we are the party of LGBTQIA+ indoctrination in schools. Is that credible? We have to be honest with ourselves. If we can’t even do that, we shouldn’t be surprised that voters don’t believe us.

100% accurate.

WTH are there so many fake Dems on this site now, who all sock puppet?

This is pure propaganda, folks. Stay alert.

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Opinions that disagree with Democratic leadership orthodoxy are not “pure propaganda,” but the fact you view even the mildest criticism of the Democrats as heresy is yet one more reason we lost.

DP.

This, 100%.

The Democratic evangelical fundamentalists here can’t accept this truth.

Lots of dickheads posting “ we” this and “we” that.
No one here with a functioning brain thinks you are apart of “we”. Whether that means you are posting from the MAGA far right or the idiotic far left. You bag-of-dicks are not a part of the democratic “we”. F off.

The only REAL Democrats are committed to illegal immigration and trans folks while simultaneously refusing to admit they support those things. Anyone suggesting Dems adjust their policies to appeal to more voters is not to be trusted. With this kind of policing, Democrats will get purer and purer, but with a smaller and smaller group of voters.

Show me exactly and specifically where those things were part of Harris's platform or in her campaign rally speeches.

She said she wouldn't have done anything different from Biden.
We get it, she was pretending otherwise on the campaign trail.

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African American job growth in Trump's first term was nothing more than a continuation of that growth from Obama. There was no inflection point from Trump, no Trump policy that changed trajectory. And then it imploded with Trump's mishandling of the pandemic. Thos time Trump's policies are more disastrous and jobs are being lost.

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Anonymous wrote:The preference of voters is now and has been for a while … democratic policies.
The issue is that they ascribe those ( democratic) polices, that they like to:… republicans.
Harris told us exactly what she would do, and voters didn’t believe her.
Trump ALSO told us exactly what he planned to do ( aside from magically fixing the price of everything day 1)
But he told us he planned tariffs. He told us he planned to get revenge on political rivals.
He told us he wasn’t going to support Ukraine.
And voters didn’t believe him.
So I don’t know how you win with an electorate that is immediately and unfailing credulous with whatever republicans tell them and completely unwilling to believe democrats.

There’s a message here for us. There’s a reason people don’t believe what we say. It’s that we lie, mostly to ourselves. We insist that middle and working class Republicans are “voting against their own interests” because we imagine ourselves to be the party of compassion and competence. But income inequality has never once decreased under Democrats in our lifetimes. We deny that we’re the party more favorably disposed toward illegal immigration. Is that credible? We deny that we are the party of LGBTQIA+ indoctrination in schools. Is that credible? We have to be honest with ourselves. If we can’t even do that, we shouldn’t be surprised that voters don’t believe us.

100% accurate.

WTH are there so many fake Dems on this site now, who all sock puppet?

This is pure propaganda, folks. Stay alert.

🙄

Opinions that disagree with Democratic leadership orthodoxy are not “pure propaganda,” but the fact you view even the mildest criticism of the Democrats as heresy is yet one more reason we lost.

DP.

This, 100%.

The Democratic evangelical fundamentalists here can’t accept this truth.

Lots of dickheads posting “ we” this and “we” that.
No one here with a functioning brain thinks you are apart of “we”. Whether that means you are posting from the MAGA far right or the idiotic far left. You bag-of-dicks are not a part of the democratic “we”. F off.

The only REAL Democrats are committed to illegal immigration and trans folks while simultaneously refusing to admit they support those things. Anyone suggesting Dems adjust their policies to appeal to more voters is not to be trusted. With this kind of policing, Democrats will get purer and purer, but with a smaller and smaller group of voters.

Show me exactly and specifically where those things were part of Harris's platform or in her campaign rally speeches.

She said she wouldn't have done anything different from Biden.
We get it, she was pretending otherwise on the campaign trail.

That's not exact or specific. Try again.

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Even the republicans who support him on tv have nothing better to say than that the pain will be short term.

You can hold on to the hope that Trump will turn it around, but at this point anyone paying attention is aware that this presidency has so far been a failure

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MAGA isn’t successful or accepted in popular culture. They are the rejects. They believe that if they are going to down might as well take everybody with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Why would we want Ukraine to continue in a war they can't win? Democrats don't want Trump to end that war because it would be a big win for him. He might even get the peace prize. Voters didn't vote for revenge but to right many of the wrongs of the Biden failures. Bush and Obama imposed quotas and Tariffs on the Chinese so this is nothing new.

I can help you get out of the cult. I can help you make a plan.

Likewise!

Nah, the only people in a cult are the ones that voted for a guy who said Haitians were eating pets. The angry ones despite all their winning because they have to rely on lies and pretzel logic.

Trump is a master persuader. Democrats always take him too literally, and they always lose.

The pet-eating remarks just drew attention to the fact that the Biden administration forced many tens of thousands of Haitians on small town Ohio, where those Haitians proved themselves to be terrible neighbors, constantly crashing cars they drove without licenses, sometimes with fatal results for the longtime residents of those Ohio towns. Only AWFL (affluent white female liberals) believe that Haitians make desirable neighbors. Trump force Democrats to assert that obvious falsehood, and the voters got the message. Dems will force third world immigrants on vulnerable American communities just to make themselves feel virtuous. No-one cares about Haitians' skin color. But they do care about the fact that they are unskilled people from a failed country who practice voodoo. Ask the Dominicans how they feel about their Haitian neighbors. Every time a Democrat whined about Trump's "lie" about Haitains, Republicans gained ten votes.

Do you know what Springfield gained because of the felon’s sick lies? Closed schools, death threats, lost wages, a wrecked community.

Also, Trump is the one who started bringing Haitians in, not Biden. Get your facts straight.

Finally, you’re evil to justify this. Try finding some empathy in this lifetime.

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Trump was just testing to see who Democrats would instinctively defend, the invaded native Ohioans, or criticized Haitians. Democrats did not disappoint. Their preferences are always revealing.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump was just testing to see who Democrats would instinctively defend, the invaded native Ohioans, or criticized Haitians. Democrats did not disappoint. Their preferences are always revealing.

Native Ohioans? You mean native American Ohioans?

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Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Anybody with half a brain cell and object permanence would realize that this exact same argument can be flipped to apply to 2020 and 2012 and 2008 and…. “The voters resoundingly rejected the GOP! Every single voter flipped the lever for Dem policies! The GOP is arrogant and out of touch with the entire electorate! They’ll be out of power forever! They’d better start figuring out what went wrong and reaching out to Dem voters, the only voters who matter!”

The Republicans DID reach out to Dem voters. Trump's first term generated a ton of job growth for African Americans. The GOP is now completely fine with gay marriage. The old GOP was all about offshoring and illegal immigration to keep wages down. The new GOP now wins with middle and working class voters who used to be Democrats. Have Democrats displayed that same flexibility? Or should we just assume that the margins will always stay razor thin and we'll win our fair share of elections no matter what?

Sugarpuss, the GOP isn’t “completely fine with gay marriage”. I’m very sorry to break this to you, but they are actively working to overturn Obergefell. They are moving their way through the lower courts trying to get back in front of SCOTUS to put an end to gay marriage.
Here’s the thing- you can keep lying about what republicans want, but the facts are the facts.

Republicans are bigots who prejudicially prefer traditional families to gay marriages with adoption.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump was just testing to see who Democrats would instinctively defend, the invaded native Ohioans, or criticized Haitians. Democrats did not disappoint. Their preferences are always revealing.

Native Ohioans? You mean native American Ohioans?

This! We need to keep reminding Republicans that they live on stolen land. And that they are every bit as illegal as the new Americans from Haiti and Central America

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Anonymous wrote:Even the republicans who support him on tv have nothing better to say than that the pain will be short term.

You can hold on to the hope that Trump will turn it around, but at this point anyone paying attention is aware that this presidency has so far been a failure

I miss the Biden years, when the President was much less visible. I find it exhausting seeing Trump on tv nonstop.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA isn’t successful or accepted in popular culture. They are the rejects. They believe that if they are going to down might as well take everybody with them.

Exactly, Trump united all of the broken misfit toys, and this is their revenge. For the MAGAs it’s a suicide mission because it’s will ruin their lives as much as anyone. They are like the Columbine killers.

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Anonymous wrote:Even the republicans who support him on tv have nothing better to say than that the pain will be short term.

You can hold on to the hope that Trump will turn it around, but at this point anyone paying attention is aware that this presidency has so far been a failure

I miss the Biden years, when the President was much less visible. I find it exhausting seeing Trump on tv nonstop.

This!
I don’t want research whether I should get a measles booster. I don’t want to worry about how expensive a new washing machine is going to be because of Trump’s on again-off again tariffs. I don’t want to think about whether or not we’re about to be in a constitutional crisis or are in one. And most of all, I don’t want to see Trump and whatever he’s hawking every single day.

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This feels like giving up n my principles, but I’m almost looking forward to JD Vance being a two term President because he’s calmer than Trump and he won’t talk about Trump as much as a Democrat would.