Uh, seems like Trump's visit to the NABJ is not going well...

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

She went to Howard University, an HBCU and she joined AKA, a Pen-Hellenic Service Sorority.

I think she is well within her rights to define her experience and life the way she wants.

So if she says she’s ADOS, that’s OK?

What is ADOS?

It stands for African descendant of slaves, and is an inside community term for differentiating between Black Americans who are descended from enslaved individuals and those who are descended from immigrants who were either never enslaved or who arrived after the civil war.

The thing is, vice president Harris has always been very clear that her experience is not the same as the ADOS experience. But her experience growing up in Oakland, and then studying at Howard, and ss an AKA, and then just existing in politics as a biracial, Black woman, has exposed to her to a pretty broad cross-section of the Black American experience.

There are also just a lot in families in the United States at this point who have both ADOS and Black immigrant heritage. It's not a wedge issue that is going to get any points for the GOP.

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Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Last week people were digging into Rev. Brown hoping to hang something on Harris by association. This week she isn't even a Christian? What kind of circus fun house hall of mirrors is this???

She's a Christian? She and Doug had were married in a church...by a priest?

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Let's start fresh.

Here is my original:

It's just a way of pot calling the kettle black. Both sides are equally as opportunistic and unethical.

If Ds are going to push for minority opportunities, then shouldn't each person determine where s/he fits in without flip flopping?

Kamala was Indian when it suited her. Lately, however, to get the black vote (b/c if you don't vote Joe, you ain't black), she's the first AA veep. So is she "black enough" to win over the AA community? And if she markets herself as such, doesn't she slap her Indian heritage in the face? You can only have it both ways (so to speak) if you don't pander to an audience.

The lack of observational and critical thinking skills is frightening on this forum.

This is yours: says the poster who doesn’t understand the word BOTH, despite its brevity and clarity.

What is there in the bold text above that you DON'T understand?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

It sounds like you made a point that resonated with yourself. Nobody else cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

You think this is the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans?

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Anonymous wrote:I am dying to hear Trump bring up Indian castes in his discussions. The base will love that. So will his VP.

PLEASE touch the third rail. PLEASE!

Well, Usha’s a lower (but still very privileged) caste, so you never know.

In an actual democracy, though, what questions are asked should not be “brought up” by candidates: the press used to have a role.

So Fox, OAN, Breitbart, etc are going to pivot to Varna? To Jati? That is going to be a long and confusing conversation. If they can actually get American born people to understand then more power to them!

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

She went to Howard University, an HBCU and she joined AKA, a Pen-Hellenic Service Sorority.

I think she is well within her rights to define her experience and life the way she wants.

So if she says she’s ADOS, that’s OK?

What is ADOS?

It stands for African descendant of slaves, and is an inside community term for differentiating between Black Americans who are descended from enslaved individuals and those who are descended from immigrants who were either never enslaved or who arrived after the civil war.

The thing is, vice president Harris has always been very clear that her experience is not the same as the ADOS experience. But her experience growing up in Oakland, and then studying at Howard, and ss an AKA, and then just existing in politics as a biracial, Black woman, has exposed to her to a pretty broad cross-section of the Black American experience.

There are also just a lot in families in the United States at this point who have both ADOS and Black immigrant heritage. It's not a wedge issue that is going to get any points for the GOP.

She did not grow up Oakland. She was born there, went to Midwest upper middle class neighborhoods with her professor parents when she was 2, returned to California to live in Berkeley when she was 6, then moved to Montreal when she was 12 (and attended an upper class, non-URM high school) until she was 18. Since her 6 years in Montreal equaled her time in Berkeley (a big difference from Oakland), you could just as validly say she grew up in Montreal. Stop the spin.

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

She went to Howard University, an HBCU and she joined AKA, a Pen-Hellenic Service Sorority.

I think she is well within her rights to define her experience and life the way she wants.

So if she says she’s ADOS, that’s OK?

What is ADOS?

It stands for African descendant of slaves, and is an inside community term for differentiating between Black Americans who are descended from enslaved individuals and those who are descended from immigrants who were either never enslaved or who arrived after the civil war.

The thing is, vice president Harris has always been very clear that her experience is not the same as the ADOS experience. But her experience growing up in Oakland, and then studying at Howard, and ss an AKA, and then just existing in politics as a biracial, Black woman, has exposed to her to a pretty broad cross-section of the Black American experience.

There are also just a lot in families in the United States at this point who have both ADOS and Black immigrant heritage. It's not a wedge issue that is going to get any points for the GOP.

Thank you for the explanation

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

You think this is the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans?

Not Brahmins. Everyone else? Definitely.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

You think this is the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans?

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

She went to Howard University, an HBCU and she joined AKA, a Pen-Hellenic Service Sorority.

I think she is well within her rights to define her experience and life the way she wants.

So if she says she’s ADOS, that’s OK?

What is ADOS?

It stands for African descendant of slaves, and is an inside community term for differentiating between Black Americans who are descended from enslaved individuals and those who are descended from immigrants who were either never enslaved or who arrived after the civil war.

The thing is, vice president Harris has always been very clear that her experience is not the same as the ADOS experience. But her experience growing up in Oakland, and then studying at Howard, and ss an AKA, and then just existing in politics as a biracial, Black woman, has exposed to her to a pretty broad cross-section of the Black American experience.

There are also just a lot in families in the United States at this point who have both ADOS and Black immigrant heritage. It's not a wedge issue that is going to get any points for the GOP.

She did not grow up Oakland. She was born there, went to Midwest upper middle class neighborhoods with her professor parents when she was 2, returned to California to live in Berkeley when she was 6, then moved to Montreal when she was 12 (and attended an upper class, non-URM high school) until she was 18. Since her 6 years in Montreal equaled her time in Berkeley (a big difference from Oakland), you could just as validly say she grew up in Montreal. Stop the spin.

So you’re trying to say that if you don’t grow up poor, you don’t get to call yourself black. Like people suddenly stop seeing color when your parents have a phd.

Looks like a winning strategy to me! Good luck you guys!

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

If you are going to twist facts you should at least get the actual facts right.

Her mother spoke Tamil around the house. That is not Hindu. Like, really not Hindi. And Kamala can't say much more than "I'm hungry" or "Hello" or other childhood basics.

She went to churches WAY more than any Hindu temples.

And Obama wasn't ADOS. Still got elected. Twice.

Yes, let’s get all the facts straight.

Summers in India are way more than “hello.” Churches are simply wrong. Mom is Hindu. Mom raised her since 7…

And, golly, no comment on her pressuring Newsom to veto anti-caste legislation in California? Or the fact that she is Brahmin? Or that her dad is part Indian? Here’s the link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/22/indian-americans-caste-discrimination-newsom-veto/

Imagine if Obama supported discrimination amongst, say, Hutus and Tutsis in the United States. Then we would have a story.

Or if Obama’s dad said he was superior to other African tribes because of a "Gopalan bloodline that goes back more than 1,000 years". That’s what Kamala’s mom said. And that, by the way, is a slave-owning bloodline in India. Here’s the link for that: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55786214

I'm gonna tell you the truth - I don't think a whole lot of people here care more about anti-caste legislation in California then we care about Dobbs.

If Kamala identifies as black and as Indian-American, she needs to address 1) the black experience in America and 2) the Indian experience in America. If she can’t do both, she has no business leading this country. And for the ignorant out there: it is not possible to address the Indian immigrant experience without addressing caste.

I rather she focus on our freedoms and protecting our democracy and our alliances abroad, part of which are responsible for the release of American hostages.

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

She went to Howard University, an HBCU and she joined AKA, a Pen-Hellenic Service Sorority.

I think she is well within her rights to define her experience and life the way she wants.

So if she says she’s ADOS, that’s OK?

What is ADOS?

It stands for African descendant of slaves, and is an inside community term for differentiating between Black Americans who are descended from enslaved individuals and those who are descended from immigrants who were either never enslaved or who arrived after the civil war.

The thing is, vice president Harris has always been very clear that her experience is not the same as the ADOS experience. But her experience growing up in Oakland, and then studying at Howard, and ss an AKA, and then just existing in politics as a biracial, Black woman, has exposed to her to a pretty broad cross-section of the Black American experience.

There are also just a lot in families in the United States at this point who have both ADOS and Black immigrant heritage. It's not a wedge issue that is going to get any points for the GOP.

It's pretty wildly ignorant of history to try and suggest that black Jamaicans aren't also descendants of slaves. The US and Jamaica (along with many other colonial possessions) all share the same roots of slavery going back hundreds of years.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

You think this is the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans?

Not Brahmins. Everyone else? Definitely.

Hilarious. It won't even be in the top 100.

- Not a Brahmin, but definitely Indian American