Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

Many claimed to get free or reduced lunch illegally to improve their odds. I think they even got away with it.

Free or reduced lunch is a motivator to improve school attendance and keep kids off the street. More of these motivators need to be implemented at bottom base schools. But it is cruel for equity activists to encourage poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ to satisfy an equity diversity numbers chart, knowing well those innocent students would suffer exponentially more to survive at TJ than at base school.

Are they encouraging poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ or high achieving free lunch students to apply there?

A lot of this discourse comes from upper middle class Asians who are racist and elitist and assume that lower income kids can't possibly be as smart as their Curie and Kumon-stuffed kids. FCPS has told them to sit down or at least move over, and that's a good thing.

you are a racist

No, but I listened to Asian neighbors openly make racist comments for years. Not my fault a lot of these folks have no filter.

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"A lot of these folks X" -> stereotyping a whole race based on experiences with a very small number -> racist.

If you got mugged by an African-American, would you go around talking about how black people are thugs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"A lot of these folks X" -> stereotyping a whole race based on experiences with a very small number -> racist.

If you got mugged by an African-American, would you go around talking about how black people are thugs?

Stop projecting and read the prior post.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

Many claimed to get free or reduced lunch illegally to improve their odds. I think they even got away with it.

Free or reduced lunch is a motivator to improve school attendance and keep kids off the street. More of these motivators need to be implemented at bottom base schools. But it is cruel for equity activists to encourage poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ to satisfy an equity diversity numbers chart, knowing well those innocent students would suffer exponentially more to survive at TJ than at base school.

Are they encouraging poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ or high achieving free lunch students to apply there?

A lot of this discourse comes from upper middle class Asians who are racist and elitist and assume that lower income kids can't possibly be as smart as their Curie and Kumon-stuffed kids. FCPS has told them to sit down or at least move over, and that's a good thing.

you are a racist

No, but I listened to Asian neighbors openly make racist comments for years. Not my fault a lot of these folks have no filter.

Feel sorry for you, but racists tend to draw racist interpretations from normal neighbors. have you considered visiting a mental health specialist?

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

Many claimed to get free or reduced lunch illegally to improve their odds. I think they even got away with it.

Free or reduced lunch is a motivator to improve school attendance and keep kids off the street. More of these motivators need to be implemented at bottom base schools. But it is cruel for equity activists to encourage poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ to satisfy an equity diversity numbers chart, knowing well those innocent students would suffer exponentially more to survive at TJ than at base school.

Are they encouraging poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ or high achieving free lunch students to apply there?

A lot of this discourse comes from upper middle class Asians who are racist and elitist and assume that lower income kids can't possibly be as smart as their Curie and Kumon-stuffed kids. FCPS has told them to sit down or at least move over, and that's a good thing.

BINGO!

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

I am ok with the fool saying Curie costs 5k, 10k, 15k, or 20k, when they are cheaper than Kumon. The fool is making sure Curie receives the publicity either by desire or by chance.

DP - but I will own up to being the person who was first in on the reporting with TJ students acknowledging that their Curie courses had shown them questions that ended up on the Quant-Q exam prior to them sitting for it.

I do not know if this program still exists, but when people talk about the $5K Curie course, what they're referring to is the flagship 16-month TJ Prep program that students would register for going into their 7th grade year. This was an immensely popular course that Curie offered that was buffered by students who had reported back specific questions from when they sat for the Quant-Q exam themselves, despite having signed an agreement not to do so. Curie offers many other less expensive courses, but this was the one that made the most impact with respect to TJ Admissions.

The access to exam questions gave Curie students an enormous leg up on the remainder of the TJ Admissions population and had a large part to play in the proportion of Asian students growing from 66% in the Class of 2022, to 72.3% in the Class of 2023, to 74.9% in the Class of 2024. During that same period, the number of students that Curie claimed as TJ admits went from 50 in 2022, to 95 in 2025, to a whopping 133 in 2024. Of further interest was the fact that Curie posted the first and last names of each of those students on their social media outlets, in the process betraying the fact that they virtually 100% of the students they served were of South Asian descent.

So, to summarize and to dispel some of the myths and nonsense going around on these fora:

1) Curie had a course that was explicitly designed to get kids into TJ;
2) This course included prep for the Quant-Q exam that included access to questions and question types that they should not have had;
3) The popularity of the course exploded over the 3 year period that the Quant-Q was used;
4) The course was listed at $5K to register;
5) Based on the lists they published, it appeared to be nearly exclusive to South Asian kids;
6) It had an enormous impact on TJ Admissions for especially the Classes of 2023 and 2024. In fact, simple data analysis indicated that approximately 70% of the 2024 students of South Asian descent were Curie customers and nearly 90% of the admits from Loudoun County were as well - based on how many of the students were listed as having been also admitted to either/both of AOS and AET.

Those are the facts. Importantly, the parents and students did not pay for access to the exam - what they paid for was access to a few of the questions that were a part of the question bank that each form of the Quant-Q exam draws from. Equally importantly, Curie did nothing illegal in this process - they merely accepted information that came to them from students who sat for the exam and broke a signed pledge to not discuss the exam with anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"A lot of these folks X" -> stereotyping a whole race based on experiences with a very small number -> racist.

If you got mugged by an African-American, would you go around talking about how black people are thugs?

DP. The person above is not stereotyping an entire race with that comment.

The fact that there are a large number of upper-middle class and "wealthy" Asians who are attempting to protect their prior privileged access to an exceptional academic opportunity says nothing about Asians more broadly.

The fact that by and large, they are not publicly joined by members of other races (except occasionally by people who are married to Asians acting in the self interest of their biracial children or Asian stepchildren) is what permits the person above to refer to the group as "Asian".

It is Asians who are making this argument publicly, but it is far from all Asians.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

I am ok with the fool saying Curie costs 5k, 10k, 15k, or 20k, when they are cheaper than Kumon. The fool is making sure Curie receives the publicity either by desire or by chance.

DP - but I will own up to being the person who was first in on the reporting with TJ students acknowledging that their Curie courses had shown them questions that ended up on the Quant-Q exam prior to them sitting for it.

I do not know if this program still exists, but when people talk about the $5K Curie course, what they're referring to is the flagship 16-month TJ Prep program that students would register for going into their 7th grade year. This was an immensely popular course that Curie offered that was buffered by students who had reported back specific questions from when they sat for the Quant-Q exam themselves, despite having signed an agreement not to do so. Curie offers many other less expensive courses, but this was the one that made the most impact with respect to TJ Admissions.

The access to exam questions gave Curie students an enormous leg up on the remainder of the TJ Admissions population and had a large part to play in the proportion of Asian students growing from 66% in the Class of 2022, to 72.3% in the Class of 2023, to 74.9% in the Class of 2024. During that same period, the number of students that Curie claimed as TJ admits went from 50 in 2022, to 95 in 2025, to a whopping 133 in 2024. Of further interest was the fact that Curie posted the first and last names of each of those students on their social media outlets, in the process betraying the fact that they virtually 100% of the students they served were of South Asian descent.

So, to summarize and to dispel some of the myths and nonsense going around on these fora:

1) Curie had a course that was explicitly designed to get kids into TJ;
2) This course included prep for the Quant-Q exam that included access to questions and question types that they should not have had;
3) The popularity of the course exploded over the 3 year period that the Quant-Q was used;
4) The course was listed at $5K to register;
5) Based on the lists they published, it appeared to be nearly exclusive to South Asian kids;
6) It had an enormous impact on TJ Admissions for especially the Classes of 2023 and 2024. In fact, simple data analysis indicated that approximately 70% of the 2024 students of South Asian descent were Curie customers and nearly 90% of the admits from Loudoun County were as well - based on how many of the students were listed as having been also admitted to either/both of AOS and AET.

Those are the facts. Importantly, the parents and students did not pay for access to the exam - what they paid for was access to a few of the questions that were a part of the question bank that each form of the Quant-Q exam draws from. Equally importantly, Curie did nothing illegal in this process - they merely accepted information that came to them from students who sat for the exam and broke a signed pledge to not discuss the exam with anyone.

Thank you for this creative story that never happened. You have been peddling this lie for years, and intentionally or foolishly driving this forum visitors towards Curie, increasing their business multifold after admission changes. You claim to be of South Asian descent, but what caused you to internalize racism, badmouth your own ethnic group, and feel ashamed of your own culture? Is it necessary to gain acceptance or approval from the group you desperately seek to associate with now? Specifically, what's your personal beef with Curie? Were you forced to attend Curie?

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

I am ok with the fool saying Curie costs 5k, 10k, 15k, or 20k, when they are cheaper than Kumon. The fool is making sure Curie receives the publicity either by desire or by chance.

DP - but I will own up to being the person who was first in on the reporting with TJ students acknowledging that their Curie courses had shown them questions that ended up on the Quant-Q exam prior to them sitting for it.

I do not know if this program still exists, but when people talk about the $5K Curie course, what they're referring to is the flagship 16-month TJ Prep program that students would register for going into their 7th grade year. This was an immensely popular course that Curie offered that was buffered by students who had reported back specific questions from when they sat for the Quant-Q exam themselves, despite having signed an agreement not to do so. Curie offers many other less expensive courses, but this was the one that made the most impact with respect to TJ Admissions.

The access to exam questions gave Curie students an enormous leg up on the remainder of the TJ Admissions population and had a large part to play in the proportion of Asian students growing from 66% in the Class of 2022, to 72.3% in the Class of 2023, to 74.9% in the Class of 2024. During that same period, the number of students that Curie claimed as TJ admits went from 50 in 2022, to 95 in 2025, to a whopping 133 in 2024. Of further interest was the fact that Curie posted the first and last names of each of those students on their social media outlets, in the process betraying the fact that they virtually 100% of the students they served were of South Asian descent.

So, to summarize and to dispel some of the myths and nonsense going around on these fora:

1) Curie had a course that was explicitly designed to get kids into TJ;
2) This course included prep for the Quant-Q exam that included access to questions and question types that they should not have had;
3) The popularity of the course exploded over the 3 year period that the Quant-Q was used;
4) The course was listed at $5K to register;
5) Based on the lists they published, it appeared to be nearly exclusive to South Asian kids;
6) It had an enormous impact on TJ Admissions for especially the Classes of 2023 and 2024. In fact, simple data analysis indicated that approximately 70% of the 2024 students of South Asian descent were Curie customers and nearly 90% of the admits from Loudoun County were as well - based on how many of the students were listed as having been also admitted to either/both of AOS and AET.

Those are the facts. Importantly, the parents and students did not pay for access to the exam - what they paid for was access to a few of the questions that were a part of the question bank that each form of the Quant-Q exam draws from. Equally importantly, Curie did nothing illegal in this process - they merely accepted information that came to them from students who sat for the exam and broke a signed pledge to not discuss the exam with anyone.

Thank you for this creative story that never happened. You have been peddling this lie for years, and intentionally or foolishly driving this forum visitors towards Curie, increasing their business multifold after admission changes. You claim to be of South Asian descent, but what caused you to internalize racism, badmouth your own ethnic group, and feel ashamed of your own culture? Is it necessary to gain acceptance or approval from the group you desperately seek to associate with now? Specifically, what's your personal beef with Curie? Were you forced to attend Curie?

1) It's not a creative story. It's something that has been confirmed publicly by TJ students who were willing to identify themselves by name.
2) I don't really care whether or not it drives more traffic to Curie. What I care about is contextualizing the need for admissions reform, and I've done that very successfully.
3) I don't care about Curie. I care about TJ, and for too long I saw too many of the wrong kids getting admitted because of prep programs like Curie that brought in students who had to work so hard to keep up with TJ that they weren't able to add anything of value to the school environment. I saw kids seriously considering self-harm (and worse, some actually following through on it) because of the insane expectations of their parents and because they were dropped into a program that they couldn't handle - a phenomenon, by the way, that has largely disappeared under the new admissions process.
4) I am anonymous, so there isn't any societal benefit that I'm receiving from informing the public about what's actually going on. It's nothing more than the internal satisfaction from assisting in telling the full story.
5) It's a key feature of conservatives that they simply can't understand why someone would do something unless they have something to gain from it. I'm glad that's not an affliction I share.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

I am ok with the fool saying Curie costs 5k, 10k, 15k, or 20k, when they are cheaper than Kumon. The fool is making sure Curie receives the publicity either by desire or by chance.

DP - but I will own up to being the person who was first in on the reporting with TJ students acknowledging that their Curie courses had shown them questions that ended up on the Quant-Q exam prior to them sitting for it.

I do not know if this program still exists, but when people talk about the $5K Curie course, what they're referring to is the flagship 16-month TJ Prep program that students would register for going into their 7th grade year. This was an immensely popular course that Curie offered that was buffered by students who had reported back specific questions from when they sat for the Quant-Q exam themselves, despite having signed an agreement not to do so. Curie offers many other less expensive courses, but this was the one that made the most impact with respect to TJ Admissions.

The access to exam questions gave Curie students an enormous leg up on the remainder of the TJ Admissions population and had a large part to play in the proportion of Asian students growing from 66% in the Class of 2022, to 72.3% in the Class of 2023, to 74.9% in the Class of 2024. During that same period, the number of students that Curie claimed as TJ admits went from 50 in 2022, to 95 in 2025, to a whopping 133 in 2024. Of further interest was the fact that Curie posted the first and last names of each of those students on their social media outlets, in the process betraying the fact that they virtually 100% of the students they served were of South Asian descent.

So, to summarize and to dispel some of the myths and nonsense going around on these fora:

1) Curie had a course that was explicitly designed to get kids into TJ;
2) This course included prep for the Quant-Q exam that included access to questions and question types that they should not have had;
3) The popularity of the course exploded over the 3 year period that the Quant-Q was used;
4) The course was listed at $5K to register;
5) Based on the lists they published, it appeared to be nearly exclusive to South Asian kids;
6) It had an enormous impact on TJ Admissions for especially the Classes of 2023 and 2024. In fact, simple data analysis indicated that approximately 70% of the 2024 students of South Asian descent were Curie customers and nearly 90% of the admits from Loudoun County were as well - based on how many of the students were listed as having been also admitted to either/both of AOS and AET.

Those are the facts. Importantly, the parents and students did not pay for access to the exam - what they paid for was access to a few of the questions that were a part of the question bank that each form of the Quant-Q exam draws from. Equally importantly, Curie did nothing illegal in this process - they merely accepted information that came to them from students who sat for the exam and broke a signed pledge to not discuss the exam with anyone.

Thank you for this creative story that never happened. You have been peddling this lie for years, and intentionally or foolishly driving this forum visitors towards Curie, increasing their business multifold after admission changes. You claim to be of South Asian descent, but what caused you to internalize racism, badmouth your own ethnic group, and feel ashamed of your own culture? Is it necessary to gain acceptance or approval from the group you desperately seek to associate with now? Specifically, what's your personal beef with Curie? Were you forced to attend Curie?

1) It's not a creative story. It's something that has been confirmed publicly by TJ students who were willing to identify themselves by name.
2) I don't really care whether or not it drives more traffic to Curie. What I care about is contextualizing the need for admissions reform, and I've done that very successfully.
3) I don't care about Curie. I care about TJ, and for too long I saw too many of the wrong kids getting admitted because of prep programs like Curie that brought in students who had to work so hard to keep up with TJ that they weren't able to add anything of value to the school environment. I saw kids seriously considering self-harm (and worse, some actually following through on it) because of the insane expectations of their parents and because they were dropped into a program that they couldn't handle - a phenomenon, by the way, that has largely disappeared under the new admissions process.
4) I am anonymous, so there isn't any societal benefit that I'm receiving from informing the public about what's actually going on. It's nothing more than the internal satisfaction from assisting in telling the full story.
5) It's a key feature of conservatives that they simply can't understand why someone would do something unless they have something to gain from it. I'm glad that's not an affliction I share.

The more you talk the more it appears you have a real deep seated hatred for Curie. From the timeline you describe above, at least for past five years you have been going to bed every night hating an enrichment business and its student community supposedly from a single ethnic group. Next few years there will be more students unknown to you who will be enrolling there, but your head is set to hate them all too. Do you understand the gravity of your mental issue?

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

I am ok with the fool saying Curie costs 5k, 10k, 15k, or 20k, when they are cheaper than Kumon. The fool is making sure Curie receives the publicity either by desire or by chance.

DP - but I will own up to being the person who was first in on the reporting with TJ students acknowledging that their Curie courses had shown them questions that ended up on the Quant-Q exam prior to them sitting for it.

I do not know if this program still exists, but when people talk about the $5K Curie course, what they're referring to is the flagship 16-month TJ Prep program that students would register for going into their 7th grade year. This was an immensely popular course that Curie offered that was buffered by students who had reported back specific questions from when they sat for the Quant-Q exam themselves, despite having signed an agreement not to do so. Curie offers many other less expensive courses, but this was the one that made the most impact with respect to TJ Admissions.

The access to exam questions gave Curie students an enormous leg up on the remainder of the TJ Admissions population and had a large part to play in the proportion of Asian students growing from 66% in the Class of 2022, to 72.3% in the Class of 2023, to 74.9% in the Class of 2024. During that same period, the number of students that Curie claimed as TJ admits went from 50 in 2022, to 95 in 2025, to a whopping 133 in 2024. Of further interest was the fact that Curie posted the first and last names of each of those students on their social media outlets, in the process betraying the fact that they virtually 100% of the students they served were of South Asian descent.

So, to summarize and to dispel some of the myths and nonsense going around on these fora:

1) Curie had a course that was explicitly designed to get kids into TJ;
2) This course included prep for the Quant-Q exam that included access to questions and question types that they should not have had;
3) The popularity of the course exploded over the 3 year period that the Quant-Q was used;
4) The course was listed at $5K to register;
5) Based on the lists they published, it appeared to be nearly exclusive to South Asian kids;
6) It had an enormous impact on TJ Admissions for especially the Classes of 2023 and 2024. In fact, simple data analysis indicated that approximately 70% of the 2024 students of South Asian descent were Curie customers and nearly 90% of the admits from Loudoun County were as well - based on how many of the students were listed as having been also admitted to either/both of AOS and AET.

Those are the facts. Importantly, the parents and students did not pay for access to the exam - what they paid for was access to a few of the questions that were a part of the question bank that each form of the Quant-Q exam draws from. Equally importantly, Curie did nothing illegal in this process - they merely accepted information that came to them from students who sat for the exam and broke a signed pledge to not discuss the exam with anyone.

Thank you for this creative story that never happened. You have been peddling this lie for years, and intentionally or foolishly driving this forum visitors towards Curie, increasing their business multifold after admission changes. You claim to be of South Asian descent, but what caused you to internalize racism, badmouth your own ethnic group, and feel ashamed of your own culture? Is it necessary to gain acceptance or approval from the group you desperately seek to associate with now? Specifically, what's your personal beef with Curie? Were you forced to attend Curie?

1) It's not a creative story. It's something that has been confirmed publicly by TJ students who were willing to identify themselves by name.
2) I don't really care whether or not it drives more traffic to Curie. What I care about is contextualizing the need for admissions reform, and I've done that very successfully.
3) I don't care about Curie. I care about TJ, and for too long I saw too many of the wrong kids getting admitted because of prep programs like Curie that brought in students who had to work so hard to keep up with TJ that they weren't able to add anything of value to the school environment. I saw kids seriously considering self-harm (and worse, some actually following through on it) because of the insane expectations of their parents and because they were dropped into a program that they couldn't handle - a phenomenon, by the way, that has largely disappeared under the new admissions process.
4) I am anonymous, so there isn't any societal benefit that I'm receiving from informing the public about what's actually going on. It's nothing more than the internal satisfaction from assisting in telling the full story.
5) It's a key feature of conservatives that they simply can't understand why someone would do something unless they have something to gain from it. I'm glad that's not an affliction I share.

The more you talk the more it appears you have a real deep seated hatred for Curie. From the timeline you describe above, at least for past five years you have been going to bed every night hating an enrichment business and its student community supposedly from a single ethnic group. Next few years there will be more students unknown to you who will be enrolling there, but your head is set to hate them all too. Do you understand the gravity of your mental issue?

1) Nope, no deep-seated hatred for them. The only real problem I have with them was their decision to publish the first and last names of all of the students who were admitted from their program, which unintentionally created issues for those kids once they got to TJ because they were branded as "Curie kids". I am betting that the permission for them to do so came from the parents and not from the students.
2) The entire Curie ordeal became apparent to me in late 2020, so more like three and a half years
3) Have never hated the kids at all. It's not their fault that so many of them were wedged into an environment at TJ that probably wasn't the best fit for them, and it's not their fault that other more deserving students were left out in the cold as a consequence. I'm bothered by the old admissions process that incentivized parents to put their children through that experience, but it doesn't exist anymore, thank goodness. And I'm bothered by the fact that several of the Curie kids probably could have done better in their college admissions process had they remained at their base school, and that some of the kids who the Curie kids replaced missed out on what TJ could have done for their college resumes because they were better fits.
4) As much as it may seem different to you, my knowledge and understanding about the Curie situation really doesn't take up too much of my time. It did when I was doing my original research back in August of 2020, but we were in the midst of the pandemic at that point, so it's not like I had much else to do

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It's amazing how often this poster brings up this Curie and TJ thing.

Ultimately though, even if this ridiculous fairytale were true, the admissions response was not to fix the testing process but instead remove testing almost entirely.

People also forget that there were two other tests, but those are gone as well.

The unnecessary reference to "conservatives" reveals what this is really about for them.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

I am ok with the fool saying Curie costs 5k, 10k, 15k, or 20k, when they are cheaper than Kumon. The fool is making sure Curie receives the publicity either by desire or by chance.

DP - but I will own up to being the person who was first in on the reporting with TJ students acknowledging that their Curie courses had shown them questions that ended up on the Quant-Q exam prior to them sitting for it.

I do not know if this program still exists, but when people talk about the $5K Curie course, what they're referring to is the flagship 16-month TJ Prep program that students would register for going into their 7th grade year. This was an immensely popular course that Curie offered that was buffered by students who had reported back specific questions from when they sat for the Quant-Q exam themselves, despite having signed an agreement not to do so. Curie offers many other less expensive courses, but this was the one that made the most impact with respect to TJ Admissions.

The access to exam questions gave Curie students an enormous leg up on the remainder of the TJ Admissions population and had a large part to play in the proportion of Asian students growing from 66% in the Class of 2022, to 72.3% in the Class of 2023, to 74.9% in the Class of 2024. During that same period, the number of students that Curie claimed as TJ admits went from 50 in 2022, to 95 in 2025, to a whopping 133 in 2024. Of further interest was the fact that Curie posted the first and last names of each of those students on their social media outlets, in the process betraying the fact that they virtually 100% of the students they served were of South Asian descent.

So, to summarize and to dispel some of the myths and nonsense going around on these fora:

1) Curie had a course that was explicitly designed to get kids into TJ;
2) This course included prep for the Quant-Q exam that included access to questions and question types that they should not have had;
3) The popularity of the course exploded over the 3 year period that the Quant-Q was used;
4) The course was listed at $5K to register;
5) Based on the lists they published, it appeared to be nearly exclusive to South Asian kids;
6) It had an enormous impact on TJ Admissions for especially the Classes of 2023 and 2024. In fact, simple data analysis indicated that approximately 70% of the 2024 students of South Asian descent were Curie customers and nearly 90% of the admits from Loudoun County were as well - based on how many of the students were listed as having been also admitted to either/both of AOS and AET.

Those are the facts. Importantly, the parents and students did not pay for access to the exam - what they paid for was access to a few of the questions that were a part of the question bank that each form of the Quant-Q exam draws from. Equally importantly, Curie did nothing illegal in this process - they merely accepted information that came to them from students who sat for the exam and broke a signed pledge to not discuss the exam with anyone.

Thank you for this creative story that never happened. You have been peddling this lie for years, and intentionally or foolishly driving this forum visitors towards Curie, increasing their business multifold after admission changes. You claim to be of South Asian descent, but what caused you to internalize racism, badmouth your own ethnic group, and feel ashamed of your own culture? Is it necessary to gain acceptance or approval from the group you desperately seek to associate with now? Specifically, what's your personal beef with Curie? Were you forced to attend Curie?

1) It's not a creative story. It's something that has been confirmed publicly by TJ students who were willing to identify themselves by name.
2) I don't really care whether or not it drives more traffic to Curie. What I care about is contextualizing the need for admissions reform, and I've done that very successfully.
3) I don't care about Curie. I care about TJ, and for too long I saw too many of the wrong kids getting admitted because of prep programs like Curie that brought in students who had to work so hard to keep up with TJ that they weren't able to add anything of value to the school environment. I saw kids seriously considering self-harm (and worse, some actually following through on it) because of the insane expectations of their parents and because they were dropped into a program that they couldn't handle - a phenomenon, by the way, that has largely disappeared under the new admissions process.
4) I am anonymous, so there isn't any societal benefit that I'm receiving from informing the public about what's actually going on. It's nothing more than the internal satisfaction from assisting in telling the full story.
5) It's a key feature of conservatives that they simply can't understand why someone would do something unless they have something to gain from it. I'm glad that's not an affliction I share.

The more you talk the more it appears you have a real deep seated hatred for Curie. From the timeline you describe above, at least for past five years you have been going to bed every night hating an enrichment business and its student community supposedly from a single ethnic group. Next few years there will be more students unknown to you who will be enrolling there, but your head is set to hate them all too. Do you understand the gravity of your mental issue?

1) Nope, no deep-seated hatred for them. The only real problem I have with them was their decision to publish the first and last names of all of the students who were admitted from their program, which unintentionally created issues for those kids once they got to TJ because they were branded as "Curie kids". I am betting that the permission for them to do so came from the parents and not from the students.
2) The entire Curie ordeal became apparent to me in late 2020, so more like three and a half years
3) Have never hated the kids at all. It's not their fault that so many of them were wedged into an environment at TJ that probably wasn't the best fit for them, and it's not their fault that other more deserving students were left out in the cold as a consequence. I'm bothered by the old admissions process that incentivized parents to put their children through that experience, but it doesn't exist anymore, thank goodness. And I'm bothered by the fact that several of the Curie kids probably could have done better in their college admissions process had they remained at their base school, and that some of the kids who the Curie kids replaced missed out on what TJ could have done for their college resumes because they were better fits.
4) As much as it may seem different to you, my knowledge and understanding about the Curie situation really doesn't take up too much of my time. It did when I was doing my original research back in August of 2020, but we were in the midst of the pandemic at that point, so it's not like I had much else to do

Your 5k, 10k, 20k, etc... claim about Curie cost versus others claiming it is cheaper than Kumon is puzzling for parents considering enrichment. With your years of research knowledge, can you do a true cost comparison of Curie versus Kumon as an alternative for 6th to 8th grade duration?

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

I am ok with the fool saying Curie costs 5k, 10k, 15k, or 20k, when they are cheaper than Kumon. The fool is making sure Curie receives the publicity either by desire or by chance.

DP - but I will own up to being the person who was first in on the reporting with TJ students acknowledging that their Curie courses had shown them questions that ended up on the Quant-Q exam prior to them sitting for it.

I do not know if this program still exists, but when people talk about the $5K Curie course, what they're referring to is the flagship 16-month TJ Prep program that students would register for going into their 7th grade year. This was an immensely popular course that Curie offered that was buffered by students who had reported back specific questions from when they sat for the Quant-Q exam themselves, despite having signed an agreement not to do so. Curie offers many other less expensive courses, but this was the one that made the most impact with respect to TJ Admissions.

The access to exam questions gave Curie students an enormous leg up on the remainder of the TJ Admissions population and had a large part to play in the proportion of Asian students growing from 66% in the Class of 2022, to 72.3% in the Class of 2023, to 74.9% in the Class of 2024. During that same period, the number of students that Curie claimed as TJ admits went from 50 in 2022, to 95 in 2025, to a whopping 133 in 2024. Of further interest was the fact that Curie posted the first and last names of each of those students on their social media outlets, in the process betraying the fact that they virtually 100% of the students they served were of South Asian descent.

So, to summarize and to dispel some of the myths and nonsense going around on these fora:

1) Curie had a course that was explicitly designed to get kids into TJ;
2) This course included prep for the Quant-Q exam that included access to questions and question types that they should not have had;
3) The popularity of the course exploded over the 3 year period that the Quant-Q was used;
4) The course was listed at $5K to register;
5) Based on the lists they published, it appeared to be nearly exclusive to South Asian kids;
6) It had an enormous impact on TJ Admissions for especially the Classes of 2023 and 2024. In fact, simple data analysis indicated that approximately 70% of the 2024 students of South Asian descent were Curie customers and nearly 90% of the admits from Loudoun County were as well - based on how many of the students were listed as having been also admitted to either/both of AOS and AET.

Those are the facts. Importantly, the parents and students did not pay for access to the exam - what they paid for was access to a few of the questions that were a part of the question bank that each form of the Quant-Q exam draws from. Equally importantly, Curie did nothing illegal in this process - they merely accepted information that came to them from students who sat for the exam and broke a signed pledge to not discuss the exam with anyone.

Thank you for this creative story that never happened. You have been peddling this lie for years, and intentionally or foolishly driving this forum visitors towards Curie, increasing their business multifold after admission changes. You claim to be of South Asian descent, but what caused you to internalize racism, badmouth your own ethnic group, and feel ashamed of your own culture? Is it necessary to gain acceptance or approval from the group you desperately seek to associate with now? Specifically, what's your personal beef with Curie? Were you forced to attend Curie?

1) It's not a creative story. It's something that has been confirmed publicly by TJ students who were willing to identify themselves by name.
2) I don't really care whether or not it drives more traffic to Curie. What I care about is contextualizing the need for admissions reform, and I've done that very successfully.
3) I don't care about Curie. I care about TJ, and for too long I saw too many of the wrong kids getting admitted because of prep programs like Curie that brought in students who had to work so hard to keep up with TJ that they weren't able to add anything of value to the school environment. I saw kids seriously considering self-harm (and worse, some actually following through on it) because of the insane expectations of their parents and because they were dropped into a program that they couldn't handle - a phenomenon, by the way, that has largely disappeared under the new admissions process.
4) I am anonymous, so there isn't any societal benefit that I'm receiving from informing the public about what's actually going on. It's nothing more than the internal satisfaction from assisting in telling the full story.
5) It's a key feature of conservatives that they simply can't understand why someone would do something unless they have something to gain from it. I'm glad that's not an affliction I share.

The more you talk the more it appears you have a real deep seated hatred for Curie. From the timeline you describe above, at least for past five years you have been going to bed every night hating an enrichment business and its student community supposedly from a single ethnic group. Next few years there will be more students unknown to you who will be enrolling there, but your head is set to hate them all too. Do you understand the gravity of your mental issue?

1) Nope, no deep-seated hatred for them. The only real problem I have with them was their decision to publish the first and last names of all of the students who were admitted from their program, which unintentionally created issues for those kids once they got to TJ because they were branded as "Curie kids". I am betting that the permission for them to do so came from the parents and not from the students.
2) The entire Curie ordeal became apparent to me in late 2020, so more like three and a half years
3) Have never hated the kids at all. It's not their fault that so many of them were wedged into an environment at TJ that probably wasn't the best fit for them, and it's not their fault that other more deserving students were left out in the cold as a consequence. I'm bothered by the old admissions process that incentivized parents to put their children through that experience, but it doesn't exist anymore, thank goodness. And I'm bothered by the fact that several of the Curie kids probably could have done better in their college admissions process had they remained at their base school, and that some of the kids who the Curie kids replaced missed out on what TJ could have done for their college resumes because they were better fits.
4) As much as it may seem different to you, my knowledge and understanding about the Curie situation really doesn't take up too much of my time. It did when I was doing my original research back in August of 2020, but we were in the midst of the pandemic at that point, so it's not like I had much else to do

Your 5k, 10k, 20k, etc... claim about Curie cost versus others claiming it is cheaper than Kumon is puzzling for parents considering enrichment. With your years of research knowledge, can you do a true cost comparison of Curie versus Kumon as an alternative for 6th to 8th grade duration?

Kumon hasn't been confirmed to have had access to TJ Admissions exam questions, so I haven't done any research into them.

I am also not the poster who has made mentions of higher amounts than $5K for Curie courses. I have no idea what any of their other courses cost because as far as I know, they didn't include access to TJ exam questions.

What I do know is that Kumon appears to serve students who are not of South Asian descent - a claim which I'm not sure Curie can muster.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how often this poster brings up this Curie and TJ thing.

Ultimately though, even if this ridiculous fairytale were true, the admissions response was not to fix the testing process but instead remove testing almost entirely.

People also forget that there were two other tests, but those are gone as well.

The unnecessary reference to "conservatives" reveals what this is really about for them.

I actually haven't brought it up in quite some time. Others have carried the torch quite nicely, although I do pop in once in a while to correct accusations like "20K" and "test buying". Some of those folks have no idea what they're talking about, though I understand their anger at the situation at hand.