Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Why arent kid's math skills considered?

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Oh the imaginary race based admissions again. TJ admissions are race-blind. Further, the majority of the county believes that the more equitable process that allowed all residents to participate not just those that can afford to drop $20k for test answers was a good thing.

$20k for Curie? Hard to believe. May be a private tutor that comes home, but Curie cant be costing more than Kumon. Does it?

The poster knows it is false. Been called on it many times. Curie is around 5k but that is not dramatic enough for the poster.

Even $5k is ridiculous. Are you sure your child is enrolled in Curie? We dont pay anywhere near. A family in our neighborhood requested help, and Curie cut their fee to almost nothing. So make sure you take advantage of financial relief they provide. DC really likes their rigorous math and college level english writing. It's tough but advanced kids in 7th and 8th would really like their precalculus curriculum.

They have a TJ prep course that if enrolled in 7th and 8th runs to 5k I think, but is cheaper if you don't do all of 8th grade.

Why think? Call them and ask. Maybe too late for this year. Classes are full, but request to be put on waitlist

We only signed up for a couple of years, so it cost us more than $20k, but it made all the difference for us under the old system. They had done a great job preparing DC for the entry exam. Having access to questions really helps.

t seems like people are being tricked using Curie's name. Another person here made a $5k payment. Who are they paying and what for?
Our child goes to Curie, and we switched them from Kumon because Curie charges less than Kumon or any other enrichment program we considered. Price was a factor for us, as we are a single-parent income family. Also, absolutely no one at Curie goes for TJ prep only; mostly it's for advanced math, science, and English. Specifically, for math they go until precalculus concepts in 8th grade itself, which is why we chose Curie. Not a good fit if child is not advanced.

That 20k person is lying again. Signature 7 at Curie appears to be $5100 for three semesters.

We only spent around $15k over a few years at Curie to prepare our child for TJ.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

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Oh the imaginary race based admissions again. TJ admissions are race-blind. Further, the majority of the county believes that the more equitable process that allowed all residents to participate not just those that can afford to drop $20k for test answers was a good thing.

$20k for Curie? Hard to believe. May be a private tutor that comes home, but Curie cant be costing more than Kumon. Does it?

The poster knows it is false. Been called on it many times. Curie is around 5k but that is not dramatic enough for the poster.

Even $5k is ridiculous. Are you sure your child is enrolled in Curie? We dont pay anywhere near. A family in our neighborhood requested help, and Curie cut their fee to almost nothing. So make sure you take advantage of financial relief they provide. DC really likes their rigorous math and college level english writing. It's tough but advanced kids in 7th and 8th would really like their precalculus curriculum.

They have a TJ prep course that if enrolled in 7th and 8th runs to 5k I think, but is cheaper if you don't do all of 8th grade.

Why think? Call them and ask. Maybe too late for this year. Classes are full, but request to be put on waitlist

We only signed up for a couple of years, so it cost us more than $20k, but it made all the difference for us under the old system. They had done a great job preparing DC for the entry exam. Having access to questions really helps.

t seems like people are being tricked using Curie's name. Another person here made a $5k payment. Who are they paying and what for?
Our child goes to Curie, and we switched them from Kumon because Curie charges less than Kumon or any other enrichment program we considered. Price was a factor for us, as we are a single-parent income family. Also, absolutely no one at Curie goes for TJ prep only; mostly it's for advanced math, science, and English. Specifically, for math they go until precalculus concepts in 8th grade itself, which is why we chose Curie. Not a good fit if child is not advanced.

That 20k person is lying again. Signature 7 at Curie appears to be $5100 for three semesters.

We only spent around $15k over a few years at Curie to prepare our child for TJ.

Thank you. Because of generous people like you, Curie charges nothing for our child and many in similar situations.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

Many claimed to get free or reduced lunch illegally to improve their odds. I think they even got away with it.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

Many claimed to get free or reduced lunch illegally to improve their odds. I think they even got away with it.

Free or reduced lunch is a motivator to improve school attendance and keep kids off the street. More of these motivators need to be implemented at bottom base schools. But it is cruel for equity activists to encourage poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ to satisfy an equity diversity numbers chart, knowing well those innocent students would suffer exponentially more to survive at TJ than at base school.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

Many claimed to get free or reduced lunch illegally to improve their odds. I think they even got away with it.

Free or reduced lunch is a motivator to improve school attendance and keep kids off the street. More of these motivators need to be implemented at bottom base schools. But it is cruel for equity activists to encourage poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ to satisfy an equity diversity numbers chart, knowing well those innocent students would suffer exponentially more to survive at TJ than at base school.

Are they encouraging poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ or high achieving free lunch students to apply there?

A lot of this discourse comes from upper middle class Asians who are racist and elitist and assume that lower income kids can't possibly be as smart as their Curie and Kumon-stuffed kids. FCPS has told them to sit down or at least move over, and that's a good thing.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

Many claimed to get free or reduced lunch illegally to improve their odds. I think they even got away with it.

That was FCPS’s fault because the question was worded “are you eligible for free lunch” or “have you received free lunch” (something like those) in a year when ALL kids got free lunch due to pandemic. They school needed to have updated the wording and they did not.

We answered no because I figured I knew what they meant but it would have been more truthful to answer “yes”.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

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Oh the imaginary race based admissions again. TJ admissions are race-blind. Further, the majority of the county believes that the more equitable process that allowed all residents to participate not just those that can afford to drop $20k for test answers was a good thing.

$20k for Curie? Hard to believe. May be a private tutor that comes home, but Curie cant be costing more than Kumon. Does it?

The poster knows it is false. Been called on it many times. Curie is around 5k but that is not dramatic enough for the poster.

Even $5k is ridiculous. Are you sure your child is enrolled in Curie? We dont pay anywhere near. A family in our neighborhood requested help, and Curie cut their fee to almost nothing. So make sure you take advantage of financial relief they provide. DC really likes their rigorous math and college level english writing. It's tough but advanced kids in 7th and 8th would really like their precalculus curriculum.

They have a TJ prep course that if enrolled in 7th and 8th runs to 5k I think, but is cheaper if you don't do all of 8th grade.

Why think? Call them and ask. Maybe too late for this year. Classes are full, but request to be put on waitlist

We only signed up for a couple of years, so it cost us more than $20k, but it made all the difference for us under the old system. They had done a great job preparing DC for the entry exam. Having access to questions really helps.

t seems like people are being tricked using Curie's name. Another person here made a $5k payment. Who are they paying and what for?
Our child goes to Curie, and we switched them from Kumon because Curie charges less than Kumon or any other enrichment program we considered. Price was a factor for us, as we are a single-parent income family. Also, absolutely no one at Curie goes for TJ prep only; mostly it's for advanced math, science, and English. Specifically, for math they go until precalculus concepts in 8th grade itself, which is why we chose Curie. Not a good fit if child is not advanced.

That 20k person is lying again. Signature 7 at Curie appears to be $5100 for three semesters.

well it is not. it's cheaper than AoPs

That's what it says on the website.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

experience factors include race/ethnicity. No class can change it. Other experience factors can be changed by how parent spends their time and pocket money. Does parent want to spend $120 on basketball league, flashy shoes & trendy clothes, or on Kumon?

Even just spending $20k-$40k on prep at places like Curie will make a huge difference and spread out over several years. It's much cheaper than private.

Either a troll or insane. I'm betting on insane, but it could be a troll. Hard to know anymore.

I am ok with the fool saying Curie costs 5k, 10k, 15k, or 20k, when they are cheaper than Kumon. The fool is making sure Curie receives the publicity either by desire or by chance.

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If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.

Are there any classes on how to improve your experience factors?

Many claimed to get free or reduced lunch illegally to improve their odds. I think they even got away with it.

Free or reduced lunch is a motivator to improve school attendance and keep kids off the street. More of these motivators need to be implemented at bottom base schools. But it is cruel for equity activists to encourage poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ to satisfy an equity diversity numbers chart, knowing well those innocent students would suffer exponentially more to survive at TJ than at base school.

Are they encouraging poorly educated free lunch students to apply to TJ or high achieving free lunch students to apply there?

A lot of this discourse comes from upper middle class Asians who are racist and elitist and assume that lower income kids can't possibly be as smart as their Curie and Kumon-stuffed kids. FCPS has told them to sit down or at least move over, and that's a good thing.

you are a racist

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges care ONLY about GPA.

If you think your child cannot land in the top half of the TJ class AND get a 4.0 (w) or above GPA - then avoid TJ.

The overall curriculum at TJ is same as any base HS - they all cover mostly the same courses such as AP Stats, AP Cal A/B or B/C, AP Physics.

Well TJ has been forcefully transformed into being more of a base HS, while the original intent was for it have a much higher curriculum than that of base HS's.

As originally designed, TJ historically drew the attention of exceptional students because those students saw it as their only public school choice to get access to advanced curriculum that went beyond AP levels. These students were not coming to TJ to finish at AP level, but start there and progress further. For instance with math, an academically advanced TJ student historically expected to complete AP calculus BC in freshman/sophomore, MultiVariable & Linear in sophomore/junior, differential & discrete in junior/senior, and adv math techniques & scientific math in senior year. While these courses still exist currently, the enrollment in these courses is very low due to the caliber of admitted class. The middle schools in the past have supported and nurtured exceptional students by providing access to precalculus courses in the middle school itself, allowing them to go far beyond AP level if they chose TJ.

Over the past two decades, the rise of equity and diversity politics in FCPS and other feeder county schools has created roadblocks for these exceptional students in achieving precalculus or calculus by the end of middle school. The maximum access they now have is for Algebra 2 Trig, and even this requires numerous approvals and summer course enrollment. As a result, the pool of top talent entering TJ with trig and, at most, precalculus credits from middle school has been drastically reduced to less than a fifth of the new class. Currently, fewer than a hundred students in a TJ class enroll in courses beyond Multivariable/Linear.

When was this? (From you post, apparently this was 3-4 decades ago. As an FCPS alum myself, I'm not sure I can agree with you on this.)

FWIW, "equity and diversity politics" have only been around for the past 5 years or so. That is not why middle schools do not offer precal classes. (At TJ, 00 freshmen have completed trig/precal and go straight to calculus? Are they all from Loudoun County?)

If you're unaware of FCPS's history of racial quota-based admissions to TJ dating back to the mid-'90s, you were probably not yet born or likely in preschool. Many younger activists are manipulated into thinking they are starting this equity battle anew, to have you take ownership of it, and work for free. Politicians define the battle to their benefit. Activist is merely a pawn in their battle.

There is no such history since it's always been illegal. This is just misinformation spread by some bitter parents with an axe to grind.

"FCPS created a race-based affirmative action program to admit more black and Hispanic students. The program was in effect for the admissions process for the graduating classes of 1997 through 2002; the county ended it because of legal challenges to similar programs. Following the end of this program, the share of black and Hispanic students at the school decreased from 9.4 percent in 1997–98 to 3.5 percent in 2003–04."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_High_School_for_Science_and_Technology

Vividly recall this. If not for then Principal Elizabeth Lodal being honest, and parents being persistent to end it, that racial quota based admissions of late 90s would have continued.

They dont hire principals with backbone like Lodal anymore. Race based preferences have always been practiced until they got caught. But Lodal had a way of putting sense into the board members' heads before full blown disaster. Glad they heeded her advice, and ended race quota in 2002.

i am surprised FCPS didnt get sued for the race based admissions that they voluntarily discontinued.