Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is trying to get ahead of what they know is coming. My student teacher got a job offer their second day of the student teaching arrangement. No interview, no recommendation, no sample lesson. You signed up to student teach for FCPS? You’re hired for fall.

The quality of these hires is going to be….iffy…in my opinion. I hope I’m wrong and desire carries them through the first few years.

Here is our state of affairs. How can they possibly survive a student who is acting out every day? Sounds like hell. New hires should have a seasoned support teacher in the room to oversee a successful start.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers aren’t resigning ‘like crazy’

These claims are now made every year to the point where it’s like crying wolf.

+1 have yet to see it. Our school has a full staff and has zero issues getting long term subs even for all the pregnant teachers (there are quite a few!). We have had 2-5 pregnant teachers every year for the last 5 years.

Those annoying pregnant teachers

Our kid’s teacher is going out on maternity leave in a few weeks and so far there is no long term sub.

My principal told me I was responsible for finding a sub when I went out. How? When? When I went out on maternity leave 8 weeks early due to a premie there was no one. The FCPS staff Facebook page is full of people asking for long term subs. No one wants to do 90% of the teaching work for 50% of the pay.

Sounds really stressful for you. I can’t imagine.

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Anonymous wrote:so those of us who have kids who still have a while to graduate but can't afford private schools? what do we do? I encourage my kids to read (they love reading), they take math enrichment...but what else? Is this also an issue with kids in honors and IB/AP classes?

Nope. My kids have been in AAP since 3rd, 1 is about to graduate with a full IB diploma, the other is in 10th taking AP classes. They are at 2 different schools. The senior pupil placed to an IB Scchool. The Board reads like fiction to me. My kids and their peers are studious and motivated and teachers love them. Teachers will reach out to me unsolicited about my kids with positive messages. I think I'm more the norm than this board would have you believe.

3 teachers my kids had in the past have since left FCPS, the rest have remained. All of the 3 that left, still keep in contact with my kids and my family. 2 of the 3 that left, along with his current English teacher, helped review my oldests's college/scholarship essays.

It's not fair that schools only focus on AAP/IP/AP children. My child is not AAP smart, but she's a hard worker, she doesn't ask for screen time, she doesn't watch a lot of TV, she's super well behaved but she's an average kid, she's in general education stuck with the poorly behaved kids and if you want to talk about a child who is COMPLETELY ignored and is falling behind because of inclusion/ADHD kids/ESOL kids/etc in the class, that's MY KID. We spend thousands on tutors because she's not learning anything in school. We got her tested because we thought maybe she had a learning disability or something, but no, she's just a perfectly normal, average child who isn't getting taught anything because her teachers are too busy with troubled kids and all the smart kids were sorted into AAP where they get all sorts of special treatment, special lessons, no disruption. IT'S NOT FAIR.

p.s. Not Catholic, we can't afford expensive private schools, we're just plain screwed.

I'm not sure what you want here. A class for only the super nice kids? It does stink that your kid isn't getting enough out of school, but lowering the bar for everyone is not the solution.

I don't think that's what the poster meant. I think they, like a lot of people, are fed up with their kids getting screwed over for being "normal." If the kid isn't smart enough for AAP, or protected by a 504/IEP, they are totally screwed. Gen Ed classes are dominated by children who should not be included in a general education classroom-- disruptive behavior issues that suck up all the teacher's time and attention. But any time anyone suggests this is a valid issue, you get people screaming about how their precious monster is entitled to be in the classroom and has a right to be disruptive and no one can suggest otherwise because of their "disability." And suggesting that a child with a disruptive disability should be in a separate classroom with more support somehow makes you ableist and evil and advocating for all disabilities to be excluded. Why arent normal kids entitled to FAPE?

I look at my grade level and none of the SPED kids are disruptive. All of our disruptive kids are the academically normal ones or ESOL students.

What consequences do they get?

Sometimes being moved to a different classroom. Getting sent to office. Sometimes in school suspension. In other grades there are SPED kids with behavior issues but the majority of the kids who are behavior problems aren’t SPED.

It doesn't matter if they are SPED or not, disruptive kids need to get kicked out of the classroom. There needs to be consequences -- I don't see or hear about anything that you're mentioning. I know that kids who get sent to the office just sit there and color or chat with the principal. It's like a reward to them. I have literally NEVER heard of a kid at our school getting suspended and we're talking about chair throwers and kids who have hurt other children. They're back the next day. The only kids that get moved are the victims, which is totally unfair. Kids are less likely to complain and tell their kids if they know it means they'll have to move to a different classroom. My kid flat out told me this.

This is exactly right. DEMAND that disruptive kids are expelled.

Schools are not psychiatric treatment centers.

Every time I read a declaration like this, I wonder. What qualifies as a disruptive kid? It’s it a one-time offender? A three-time? A wiggly, chatty kid who takes a lot of the teacher’s time for redirection? An ESOL student who gets frustrated? A yeller, or an eloper, or a class clown, or a puncher? All disruptive in different ways. Genuinely asking because I see huge challenges for this ahead. Who will make that call?

NP but a few incidents come to mind in my children's school:
1. A child who routinely was physically violent and threw things at other children to the point where the class had a "safe word" - if the teacher said the safe word, the children were to go into one of the other grade-level classrooms that they were each assigned to. After my child had a chair thrown at her (that she was able to block with her hands, thankfully), we asked for her to be moved (because they wouldn't move him).
2. One child in my other child's classroom who routinely runs out of the classroom, and the teacher has to call admin to chase him or someone to come watch the kids while she goes and chases him. He has escaped the school more than once. My child reports that the teacher is so frustrated by him that she sometimes has to call someone to watch the kids so she can go out into the hallway to cry. Child 2 has reported walking past her while she was in the hallway crying. This is NOT okay. No wonder teachers are quitting! My job has made me cry before, but never to this extent, that's for sure.

This is absolute INSANITY. Administrators and School Board evil(?) for allowing this. The rest of the world is laughing at this evil in American Public Schools.

I had one of these students last year and this brings back a lot of memories. It was a tough year. I cried more than the kids. It’s just the way things are. It is nearly impossible to get an IEP for just behavior and it can take months. And then months more of data collecting, FBAs and BIPs to be considered for placement at a CSS which most parents decline.

And “least restrictive environment “ is the way it is in FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is trying to get ahead of what they know is coming. My student teacher got a job offer their second day of the student teaching arrangement. No interview, no recommendation, no sample lesson. You signed up to student teach for FCPS? You’re hired for fall.

The quality of these hires is going to be….iffy…in my opinion. I hope I’m wrong and desire carries them through the first few years.

Only two out of five of our student teachers even finished the school year last year.

Wow. I think mine will finish but I’m at a cushy school, not the kind of place they will find their first job. It’s going to be a culture shock.

Student teaching should have to be at least partially in low income schools since that’s where they’ll get hired. Pretty sure no one would stick around to be hired though if that were the case.

I posted before you. I’m in a high FARMs school and only the strong (or stubborn) survive.

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Until this effects elites who mainly have their kids in private schools, I don’t expect any serious change. Even then any political effort could actually backfire and worsen the issues.

I think that their needs to be a return to flexibility for local jurisdictions. This will also require dialing back equity. We can’t pretend all kids are the same. It’s not realistic or workable. It’s like going back to one room schoolhouses.

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Anonymous wrote:so those of us who have kids who still have a while to graduate but can't afford private schools? what do we do? I encourage my kids to read (they love reading), they take math enrichment...but what else? Is this also an issue with kids in honors and IB/AP classes?

Nope. My kids have been in AAP since 3rd, 1 is about to graduate with a full IB diploma, the other is in 10th taking AP classes. They are at 2 different schools. The senior pupil placed to an IB Scchool. The Board reads like fiction to me. My kids and their peers are studious and motivated and teachers love them. Teachers will reach out to me unsolicited about my kids with positive messages. I think I'm more the norm than this board would have you believe.

3 teachers my kids had in the past have since left FCPS, the rest have remained. All of the 3 that left, still keep in contact with my kids and my family. 2 of the 3 that left, along with his current English teacher, helped review my oldests's college/scholarship essays.

It's not fair that schools only focus on AAP/IP/AP children. My child is not AAP smart, but she's a hard worker, she doesn't ask for screen time, she doesn't watch a lot of TV, she's super well behaved but she's an average kid, she's in general education stuck with the poorly behaved kids and if you want to talk about a child who is COMPLETELY ignored and is falling behind because of inclusion/ADHD kids/ESOL kids/etc in the class, that's MY KID. We spend thousands on tutors because she's not learning anything in school. We got her tested because we thought maybe she had a learning disability or something, but no, she's just a perfectly normal, average child who isn't getting taught anything because her teachers are too busy with troubled kids and all the smart kids were sorted into AAP where they get all sorts of special treatment, special lessons, no disruption. IT'S NOT FAIR.

p.s. Not Catholic, we can't afford expensive private schools, we're just plain screwed.

I'm not sure what you want here. A class for only the super nice kids? It does stink that your kid isn't getting enough out of school, but lowering the bar for everyone is not the solution.

I don't think that's what the poster meant. I think they, like a lot of people, are fed up with their kids getting screwed over for being "normal." If the kid isn't smart enough for AAP, or protected by a 504/IEP, they are totally screwed. Gen Ed classes are dominated by children who should not be included in a general education classroom-- disruptive behavior issues that suck up all the teacher's time and attention. But any time anyone suggests this is a valid issue, you get people screaming about how their precious monster is entitled to be in the classroom and has a right to be disruptive and no one can suggest otherwise because of their "disability." And suggesting that a child with a disruptive disability should be in a separate classroom with more support somehow makes you ableist and evil and advocating for all disabilities to be excluded. Why arent normal kids entitled to FAPE?

I look at my grade level and none of the SPED kids are disruptive. All of our disruptive kids are the academically normal ones or ESOL students.

What consequences do they get?

Sometimes being moved to a different classroom. Getting sent to office. Sometimes in school suspension. In other grades there are SPED kids with behavior issues but the majority of the kids who are behavior problems aren’t SPED.

It doesn't matter if they are SPED or not, disruptive kids need to get kicked out of the classroom. There needs to be consequences -- I don't see or hear about anything that you're mentioning. I know that kids who get sent to the office just sit there and color or chat with the principal. It's like a reward to them. I have literally NEVER heard of a kid at our school getting suspended and we're talking about chair throwers and kids who have hurt other children. They're back the next day. The only kids that get moved are the victims, which is totally unfair. Kids are less likely to complain and tell their kids if they know it means they'll have to move to a different classroom. My kid flat out told me this.

This is exactly right. DEMAND that disruptive kids are expelled.

Schools are not psychiatric treatment centers.

Every time I read a declaration like this, I wonder. What qualifies as a disruptive kid? It’s it a one-time offender? A three-time? A wiggly, chatty kid who takes a lot of the teacher’s time for redirection? An ESOL student who gets frustrated? A yeller, or an eloper, or a class clown, or a puncher? All disruptive in different ways. Genuinely asking because I see huge challenges for this ahead. Who will make that call?

NP but a few incidents come to mind in my children's school:
1. A child who routinely was physically violent and threw things at other children to the point where the class had a "safe word" - if the teacher said the safe word, the children were to go into one of the other grade-level classrooms that they were each assigned to. After my child had a chair thrown at her (that she was able to block with her hands, thankfully), we asked for her to be moved (because they wouldn't move him).
2. One child in my other child's classroom who routinely runs out of the classroom, and the teacher has to call admin to chase him or someone to come watch the kids while she goes and chases him. He has escaped the school more than once. My child reports that the teacher is so frustrated by him that she sometimes has to call someone to watch the kids so she can go out into the hallway to cry. Child 2 has reported walking past her while she was in the hallway crying. This is NOT okay. No wonder teachers are quitting! My job has made me cry before, but never to this extent, that's for sure.

This is absolute INSANITY. Administrators and School Board evil(?) for allowing this. The rest of the world is laughing at this evil in American Public Schools.

I had one of these students last year and this brings back a lot of memories. It was a tough year. I cried more than the kids. It’s just the way things are. It is nearly impossible to get an IEP for just behavior and it can take months. And then months more of data collecting, FBAs and BIPs to be considered for placement at a CSS which most parents decline.

And “least restrictive environment “ is the way it is in FCPS.

I’m so sorry about what you endured. It seems like the entire SN community needs to be offloaded from your back, the way it is now. It’s just too much. Any thoughts?

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is trying to get ahead of what they know is coming. My student teacher got a job offer their second day of the student teaching arrangement. No interview, no recommendation, no sample lesson. You signed up to student teach for FCPS? You’re hired for fall.

The quality of these hires is going to be….iffy…in my opinion. I hope I’m wrong and desire carries them through the first few years.

Only two out of five of our student teachers even finished the school year last year.

Wait, what? They dropped out? And didn't finish their teaching degree?

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Anonymous wrote:so those of us who have kids who still have a while to graduate but can't afford private schools? what do we do? I encourage my kids to read (they love reading), they take math enrichment...but what else? Is this also an issue with kids in honors and IB/AP classes?

Nope. My kids have been in AAP since 3rd, 1 is about to graduate with a full IB diploma, the other is in 10th taking AP classes. They are at 2 different schools. The senior pupil placed to an IB Scchool. The Board reads like fiction to me. My kids and their peers are studious and motivated and teachers love them. Teachers will reach out to me unsolicited about my kids with positive messages. I think I'm more the norm than this board would have you believe.

3 teachers my kids had in the past have since left FCPS, the rest have remained. All of the 3 that left, still keep in contact with my kids and my family. 2 of the 3 that left, along with his current English teacher, helped review my oldests's college/scholarship essays.

It's not fair that schools only focus on AAP/IP/AP children. My child is not AAP smart, but she's a hard worker, she doesn't ask for screen time, she doesn't watch a lot of TV, she's super well behaved but she's an average kid, she's in general education stuck with the poorly behaved kids and if you want to talk about a child who is COMPLETELY ignored and is falling behind because of inclusion/ADHD kids/ESOL kids/etc in the class, that's MY KID. We spend thousands on tutors because she's not learning anything in school. We got her tested because we thought maybe she had a learning disability or something, but no, she's just a perfectly normal, average child who isn't getting taught anything because her teachers are too busy with troubled kids and all the smart kids were sorted into AAP where they get all sorts of special treatment, special lessons, no disruption. IT'S NOT FAIR.

p.s. Not Catholic, we can't afford expensive private schools, we're just plain screwed.

I'm not sure what you want here. A class for only the super nice kids? It does stink that your kid isn't getting enough out of school, but lowering the bar for everyone is not the solution.

I don't think that's what the poster meant. I think they, like a lot of people, are fed up with their kids getting screwed over for being "normal." If the kid isn't smart enough for AAP, or protected by a 504/IEP, they are totally screwed. Gen Ed classes are dominated by children who should not be included in a general education classroom-- disruptive behavior issues that suck up all the teacher's time and attention. But any time anyone suggests this is a valid issue, you get people screaming about how their precious monster is entitled to be in the classroom and has a right to be disruptive and no one can suggest otherwise because of their "disability." And suggesting that a child with a disruptive disability should be in a separate classroom with more support somehow makes you ableist and evil and advocating for all disabilities to be excluded. Why arent normal kids entitled to FAPE?

I look at my grade level and none of the SPED kids are disruptive. All of our disruptive kids are the academically normal ones or ESOL students.

What consequences do they get?

Sometimes being moved to a different classroom. Getting sent to office. Sometimes in school suspension. In other grades there are SPED kids with behavior issues but the majority of the kids who are behavior problems aren’t SPED.

It doesn't matter if they are SPED or not, disruptive kids need to get kicked out of the classroom. There needs to be consequences -- I don't see or hear about anything that you're mentioning. I know that kids who get sent to the office just sit there and color or chat with the principal. It's like a reward to them. I have literally NEVER heard of a kid at our school getting suspended and we're talking about chair throwers and kids who have hurt other children. They're back the next day. The only kids that get moved are the victims, which is totally unfair. Kids are less likely to complain and tell their kids if they know it means they'll have to move to a different classroom. My kid flat out told me this.

This is exactly right. DEMAND that disruptive kids are expelled.

Schools are not psychiatric treatment centers.

Every time I read a declaration like this, I wonder. What qualifies as a disruptive kid? It’s it a one-time offender? A three-time? A wiggly, chatty kid who takes a lot of the teacher’s time for redirection? An ESOL student who gets frustrated? A yeller, or an eloper, or a class clown, or a puncher? All disruptive in different ways. Genuinely asking because I see huge challenges for this ahead. Who will make that call?

NP but a few incidents come to mind in my children's school:
1. A child who routinely was physically violent and threw things at other children to the point where the class had a "safe word" - if the teacher said the safe word, the children were to go into one of the other grade-level classrooms that they were each assigned to. After my child had a chair thrown at her (that she was able to block with her hands, thankfully), we asked for her to be moved (because they wouldn't move him).
2. One child in my other child's classroom who routinely runs out of the classroom, and the teacher has to call admin to chase him or someone to come watch the kids while she goes and chases him. He has escaped the school more than once. My child reports that the teacher is so frustrated by him that she sometimes has to call someone to watch the kids so she can go out into the hallway to cry. Child 2 has reported walking past her while she was in the hallway crying. This is NOT okay. No wonder teachers are quitting! My job has made me cry before, but never to this extent, that's for sure.

This is absolute INSANITY. Administrators and School Board evil(?) for allowing this. The rest of the world is laughing at this evil in American Public Schools.

I had one of these students last year and this brings back a lot of memories. It was a tough year. I cried more than the kids. It’s just the way things are. It is nearly impossible to get an IEP for just behavior and it can take months. And then months more of data collecting, FBAs and BIPs to be considered for placement at a CSS which most parents decline.

And “least restrictive environment “ is the way it is in FCPS.

+1. I had one two years ago during covid before vaccines. Getting bitten hard enough to break the skin and a subsequent infection sucks extra when you have to visit a doctor’s office during a raging pandemic which had no reliable treatment or care at the time. I’m surprised I didn’t have a stroke from the stress. Reading Teacher Misery on IG where people have posted the injuries they’ve received at work is both sad and uninspiring.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers aren’t resigning ‘like crazy’

These claims are now made every year to the point where it’s like crying wolf.

+1 fully staffed Every Year.

This year with “resident teachers”! No experience, no teaching license, but dammit if they want the job they can have it!

The one at our school just quit mid-year.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is trying to get ahead of what they know is coming. My student teacher got a job offer their second day of the student teaching arrangement. No interview, no recommendation, no sample lesson. You signed up to student teach for FCPS? You’re hired for fall.

The quality of these hires is going to be….iffy…in my opinion. I hope I’m wrong and desire carries them through the first few years.

Only two out of five of our student teachers even finished the school year last year.

Wait, what? They dropped out? And didn't finish their teaching degree?

Sounds like a good move.

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Anonymous wrote:so those of us who have kids who still have a while to graduate but can't afford private schools? what do we do? I encourage my kids to read (they love reading), they take math enrichment...but what else? Is this also an issue with kids in honors and IB/AP classes?

Nope. My kids have been in AAP since 3rd, 1 is about to graduate with a full IB diploma, the other is in 10th taking AP classes. They are at 2 different schools. The senior pupil placed to an IB Scchool. The Board reads like fiction to me. My kids and their peers are studious and motivated and teachers love them. Teachers will reach out to me unsolicited about my kids with positive messages. I think I'm more the norm than this board would have you believe.

3 teachers my kids had in the past have since left FCPS, the rest have remained. All of the 3 that left, still keep in contact with my kids and my family. 2 of the 3 that left, along with his current English teacher, helped review my oldests's college/scholarship essays.

It's not fair that schools only focus on AAP/IP/AP children. My child is not AAP smart, but she's a hard worker, she doesn't ask for screen time, she doesn't watch a lot of TV, she's super well behaved but she's an average kid, she's in general education stuck with the poorly behaved kids and if you want to talk about a child who is COMPLETELY ignored and is falling behind because of inclusion/ADHD kids/ESOL kids/etc in the class, that's MY KID. We spend thousands on tutors because she's not learning anything in school. We got her tested because we thought maybe she had a learning disability or something, but no, she's just a perfectly normal, average child who isn't getting taught anything because her teachers are too busy with troubled kids and all the smart kids were sorted into AAP where they get all sorts of special treatment, special lessons, no disruption. IT'S NOT FAIR.

p.s. Not Catholic, we can't afford expensive private schools, we're just plain screwed.

I'm not sure what you want here. A class for only the super nice kids? It does stink that your kid isn't getting enough out of school, but lowering the bar for everyone is not the solution.

I don't think that's what the poster meant. I think they, like a lot of people, are fed up with their kids getting screwed over for being "normal." If the kid isn't smart enough for AAP, or protected by a 504/IEP, they are totally screwed. Gen Ed classes are dominated by children who should not be included in a general education classroom-- disruptive behavior issues that suck up all the teacher's time and attention. But any time anyone suggests this is a valid issue, you get people screaming about how their precious monster is entitled to be in the classroom and has a right to be disruptive and no one can suggest otherwise because of their "disability." And suggesting that a child with a disruptive disability should be in a separate classroom with more support somehow makes you ableist and evil and advocating for all disabilities to be excluded. Why arent normal kids entitled to FAPE?

I look at my grade level and none of the SPED kids are disruptive. All of our disruptive kids are the academically normal ones or ESOL students.

What consequences do they get?

Sometimes being moved to a different classroom. Getting sent to office. Sometimes in school suspension. In other grades there are SPED kids with behavior issues but the majority of the kids who are behavior problems aren’t SPED.

It doesn't matter if they are SPED or not, disruptive kids need to get kicked out of the classroom. There needs to be consequences -- I don't see or hear about anything that you're mentioning. I know that kids who get sent to the office just sit there and color or chat with the principal. It's like a reward to them. I have literally NEVER heard of a kid at our school getting suspended and we're talking about chair throwers and kids who have hurt other children. They're back the next day. The only kids that get moved are the victims, which is totally unfair. Kids are less likely to complain and tell their kids if they know it means they'll have to move to a different classroom. My kid flat out told me this.

This is exactly right. DEMAND that disruptive kids are expelled.

Schools are not psychiatric treatment centers.

Every time I read a declaration like this, I wonder. What qualifies as a disruptive kid? It’s it a one-time offender? A three-time? A wiggly, chatty kid who takes a lot of the teacher’s time for redirection? An ESOL student who gets frustrated? A yeller, or an eloper, or a class clown, or a puncher? All disruptive in different ways. Genuinely asking because I see huge challenges for this ahead. Who will make that call?

NP but a few incidents come to mind in my children's school:
1. A child who routinely was physically violent and threw things at other children to the point where the class had a "safe word" - if the teacher said the safe word, the children were to go into one of the other grade-level classrooms that they were each assigned to. After my child had a chair thrown at her (that she was able to block with her hands, thankfully), we asked for her to be moved (because they wouldn't move him).
2. One child in my other child's classroom who routinely runs out of the classroom, and the teacher has to call admin to chase him or someone to come watch the kids while she goes and chases him. He has escaped the school more than once. My child reports that the teacher is so frustrated by him that she sometimes has to call someone to watch the kids so she can go out into the hallway to cry. Child 2 has reported walking past her while she was in the hallway crying. This is NOT okay. No wonder teachers are quitting! My job has made me cry before, but never to this extent, that's for sure.

This is absolute INSANITY. Administrators and School Board evil(?) for allowing this. The rest of the world is laughing at this evil in American Public Schools.

I had one of these students last year and this brings back a lot of memories. It was a tough year. I cried more than the kids. It’s just the way things are. It is nearly impossible to get an IEP for just behavior and it can take months. And then months more of data collecting, FBAs and BIPs to be considered for placement at a CSS which most parents decline.

And “least restrictive environment “ is the way it is in FCPS.

+1. I had one two years ago during covid before vaccines. Getting bitten hard enough to break the skin and a subsequent infection sucks extra when you have to visit a doctor’s office during a raging pandemic which had no reliable treatment or care at the time. I’m surprised I didn’t have a stroke from the stress. Reading Teacher Misery on IG where people have posted the injuries they’ve received at work is both sad and uninspiring.

This is a travesty. I’m sorry, but why are these monster children allowed in the classroom? They need a psychiatric center.

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Anonymous wrote:so those of us who have kids who still have a while to graduate but can't afford private schools? what do we do? I encourage my kids to read (they love reading), they take math enrichment...but what else? Is this also an issue with kids in honors and IB/AP classes?

Nope. My kids have been in AAP since 3rd, 1 is about to graduate with a full IB diploma, the other is in 10th taking AP classes. They are at 2 different schools. The senior pupil placed to an IB Scchool. The Board reads like fiction to me. My kids and their peers are studious and motivated and teachers love them. Teachers will reach out to me unsolicited about my kids with positive messages. I think I'm more the norm than this board would have you believe.

3 teachers my kids had in the past have since left FCPS, the rest have remained. All of the 3 that left, still keep in contact with my kids and my family. 2 of the 3 that left, along with his current English teacher, helped review my oldests's college/scholarship essays.

It's not fair that schools only focus on AAP/IP/AP children. My child is not AAP smart, but she's a hard worker, she doesn't ask for screen time, she doesn't watch a lot of TV, she's super well behaved but she's an average kid, she's in general education stuck with the poorly behaved kids and if you want to talk about a child who is COMPLETELY ignored and is falling behind because of inclusion/ADHD kids/ESOL kids/etc in the class, that's MY KID. We spend thousands on tutors because she's not learning anything in school. We got her tested because we thought maybe she had a learning disability or something, but no, she's just a perfectly normal, average child who isn't getting taught anything because her teachers are too busy with troubled kids and all the smart kids were sorted into AAP where they get all sorts of special treatment, special lessons, no disruption. IT'S NOT FAIR.

p.s. Not Catholic, we can't afford expensive private schools, we're just plain screwed.

I'm not sure what you want here. A class for only the super nice kids? It does stink that your kid isn't getting enough out of school, but lowering the bar for everyone is not the solution.

I don't think that's what the poster meant. I think they, like a lot of people, are fed up with their kids getting screwed over for being "normal." If the kid isn't smart enough for AAP, or protected by a 504/IEP, they are totally screwed. Gen Ed classes are dominated by children who should not be included in a general education classroom-- disruptive behavior issues that suck up all the teacher's time and attention. But any time anyone suggests this is a valid issue, you get people screaming about how their precious monster is entitled to be in the classroom and has a right to be disruptive and no one can suggest otherwise because of their "disability." And suggesting that a child with a disruptive disability should be in a separate classroom with more support somehow makes you ableist and evil and advocating for all disabilities to be excluded. Why arent normal kids entitled to FAPE?

I look at my grade level and none of the SPED kids are disruptive. All of our disruptive kids are the academically normal ones or ESOL students.

What consequences do they get?

Sometimes being moved to a different classroom. Getting sent to office. Sometimes in school suspension. In other grades there are SPED kids with behavior issues but the majority of the kids who are behavior problems aren’t SPED.

It doesn't matter if they are SPED or not, disruptive kids need to get kicked out of the classroom. There needs to be consequences -- I don't see or hear about anything that you're mentioning. I know that kids who get sent to the office just sit there and color or chat with the principal. It's like a reward to them. I have literally NEVER heard of a kid at our school getting suspended and we're talking about chair throwers and kids who have hurt other children. They're back the next day. The only kids that get moved are the victims, which is totally unfair. Kids are less likely to complain and tell their kids if they know it means they'll have to move to a different classroom. My kid flat out told me this.

This is exactly right. DEMAND that disruptive kids are expelled.

Schools are not psychiatric treatment centers.

Every time I read a declaration like this, I wonder. What qualifies as a disruptive kid? It’s it a one-time offender? A three-time? A wiggly, chatty kid who takes a lot of the teacher’s time for redirection? An ESOL student who gets frustrated? A yeller, or an eloper, or a class clown, or a puncher? All disruptive in different ways. Genuinely asking because I see huge challenges for this ahead. Who will make that call?

NP but a few incidents come to mind in my children's school:
1. A child who routinely was physically violent and threw things at other children to the point where the class had a "safe word" - if the teacher said the safe word, the children were to go into one of the other grade-level classrooms that they were each assigned to. After my child had a chair thrown at her (that she was able to block with her hands, thankfully), we asked for her to be moved (because they wouldn't move him).
2. One child in my other child's classroom who routinely runs out of the classroom, and the teacher has to call admin to chase him or someone to come watch the kids while she goes and chases him. He has escaped the school more than once. My child reports that the teacher is so frustrated by him that she sometimes has to call someone to watch the kids so she can go out into the hallway to cry. Child 2 has reported walking past her while she was in the hallway crying. This is NOT okay. No wonder teachers are quitting! My job has made me cry before, but never to this extent, that's for sure.

This is absolute INSANITY. Administrators and School Board evil(?) for allowing this. The rest of the world is laughing at this evil in American Public Schools.

I had one of these students last year and this brings back a lot of memories. It was a tough year. I cried more than the kids. It’s just the way things are. It is nearly impossible to get an IEP for just behavior and it can take months. And then months more of data collecting, FBAs and BIPs to be considered for placement at a CSS which most parents decline.

And “least restrictive environment “ is the way it is in FCPS.

+1. I had one two years ago during covid before vaccines. Getting bitten hard enough to break the skin and a subsequent infection sucks extra when you have to visit a doctor’s office during a raging pandemic which had no reliable treatment or care at the time. I’m surprised I didn’t have a stroke from the stress. Reading Teacher Misery on IG where people have posted the injuries they’ve received at work is both sad and uninspiring.

This is a travesty. I’m sorry, but why are these monster children allowed in the classroom? They need a psychiatric center.

Children are not monsters. None of them are. But some of them are children that can't maintain safety for themselves or others without more support than we are able to give in this setting

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is trying to get ahead of what they know is coming. My student teacher got a job offer their second day of the student teaching arrangement. No interview, no recommendation, no sample lesson. You signed up to student teach for FCPS? You’re hired for fall.

The quality of these hires is going to be….iffy…in my opinion. I hope I’m wrong and desire carries them through the first few years.

Only two out of five of our student teachers even finished the school year last year.

Wait, what? They dropped out? And didn't finish their teaching degree?

They dropped out of student teaching. I assume they switched their major to something else.

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Anonymous wrote:so those of us who have kids who still have a while to graduate but can't afford private schools? what do we do? I encourage my kids to read (they love reading), they take math enrichment...but what else? Is this also an issue with kids in honors and IB/AP classes?

Nope. My kids have been in AAP since 3rd, 1 is about to graduate with a full IB diploma, the other is in 10th taking AP classes. They are at 2 different schools. The senior pupil placed to an IB Scchool. The Board reads like fiction to me. My kids and their peers are studious and motivated and teachers love them. Teachers will reach out to me unsolicited about my kids with positive messages. I think I'm more the norm than this board would have you believe.

3 teachers my kids had in the past have since left FCPS, the rest have remained. All of the 3 that left, still keep in contact with my kids and my family. 2 of the 3 that left, along with his current English teacher, helped review my oldests's college/scholarship essays.

It's not fair that schools only focus on AAP/IP/AP children. My child is not AAP smart, but she's a hard worker, she doesn't ask for screen time, she doesn't watch a lot of TV, she's super well behaved but she's an average kid, she's in general education stuck with the poorly behaved kids and if you want to talk about a child who is COMPLETELY ignored and is falling behind because of inclusion/ADHD kids/ESOL kids/etc in the class, that's MY KID. We spend thousands on tutors because she's not learning anything in school. We got her tested because we thought maybe she had a learning disability or something, but no, she's just a perfectly normal, average child who isn't getting taught anything because her teachers are too busy with troubled kids and all the smart kids were sorted into AAP where they get all sorts of special treatment, special lessons, no disruption. IT'S NOT FAIR.

p.s. Not Catholic, we can't afford expensive private schools, we're just plain screwed.

I'm not sure what you want here. A class for only the super nice kids? It does stink that your kid isn't getting enough out of school, but lowering the bar for everyone is not the solution.

I don't think that's what the poster meant. I think they, like a lot of people, are fed up with their kids getting screwed over for being "normal." If the kid isn't smart enough for AAP, or protected by a 504/IEP, they are totally screwed. Gen Ed classes are dominated by children who should not be included in a general education classroom-- disruptive behavior issues that suck up all the teacher's time and attention. But any time anyone suggests this is a valid issue, you get people screaming about how their precious monster is entitled to be in the classroom and has a right to be disruptive and no one can suggest otherwise because of their "disability." And suggesting that a child with a disruptive disability should be in a separate classroom with more support somehow makes you ableist and evil and advocating for all disabilities to be excluded. Why arent normal kids entitled to FAPE?

I look at my grade level and none of the SPED kids are disruptive. All of our disruptive kids are the academically normal ones or ESOL students.

What consequences do they get?

Sometimes being moved to a different classroom. Getting sent to office. Sometimes in school suspension. In other grades there are SPED kids with behavior issues but the majority of the kids who are behavior problems aren’t SPED.

It doesn't matter if they are SPED or not, disruptive kids need to get kicked out of the classroom. There needs to be consequences -- I don't see or hear about anything that you're mentioning. I know that kids who get sent to the office just sit there and color or chat with the principal. It's like a reward to them. I have literally NEVER heard of a kid at our school getting suspended and we're talking about chair throwers and kids who have hurt other children. They're back the next day. The only kids that get moved are the victims, which is totally unfair. Kids are less likely to complain and tell their kids if they know it means they'll have to move to a different classroom. My kid flat out told me this.

This is exactly right. DEMAND that disruptive kids are expelled.

Schools are not psychiatric treatment centers.

Every time I read a declaration like this, I wonder. What qualifies as a disruptive kid? It’s it a one-time offender? A three-time? A wiggly, chatty kid who takes a lot of the teacher’s time for redirection? An ESOL student who gets frustrated? A yeller, or an eloper, or a class clown, or a puncher? All disruptive in different ways. Genuinely asking because I see huge challenges for this ahead. Who will make that call?

NP but a few incidents come to mind in my children's school:
1. A child who routinely was physically violent and threw things at other children to the point where the class had a "safe word" - if the teacher said the safe word, the children were to go into one of the other grade-level classrooms that they were each assigned to. After my child had a chair thrown at her (that she was able to block with her hands, thankfully), we asked for her to be moved (because they wouldn't move him).
2. One child in my other child's classroom who routinely runs out of the classroom, and the teacher has to call admin to chase him or someone to come watch the kids while she goes and chases him. He has escaped the school more than once. My child reports that the teacher is so frustrated by him that she sometimes has to call someone to watch the kids so she can go out into the hallway to cry. Child 2 has reported walking past her while she was in the hallway crying. This is NOT okay. No wonder teachers are quitting! My job has made me cry before, but never to this extent, that's for sure.

This is absolute INSANITY. Administrators and School Board evil(?) for allowing this. The rest of the world is laughing at this evil in American Public Schools.

I had one of these students last year and this brings back a lot of memories. It was a tough year. I cried more than the kids. It’s just the way things are. It is nearly impossible to get an IEP for just behavior and it can take months. And then months more of data collecting, FBAs and BIPs to be considered for placement at a CSS which most parents decline.

And “least restrictive environment “ is the way it is in FCPS.

I’m so sorry about what you endured. It seems like the entire SN community needs to be offloaded from your back, the way it is now. It’s just too much. Any thoughts?

A lot these issues are kids with no IEPs and will likely never have one. Others will get an IEP and if they are in the right setting, some things will improve but continue in a smaller setting. Some kids need a lot more support outside of the home that we can’t control. Some are not treated right in their home so there is a lot of trauma and damage that we can only do so much about.

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Anonymous wrote:Heard the same thing last year and we had very few vacancies last fall. It's all a gambit to get more attention/money.

LOL...ok troll