New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Did the driver in question have his hazards on? Are the vast majority of drivers who use their hazard lanes to justify double-parking or parking in a bike lane experiencing an emergency? No to both, in my observation.

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

That's nice. The Old Georgetown Road bike lane is not on a shoulder. Old Georgetown Road doesn't have a shoulder, because they widened it to the full width of the right-of-way.

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

That's nice. The Old Georgetown Road bike lane is not on a shoulder. Old Georgetown Road doesn't have a shoulder, because they widened it to the full width of the right-of-way.

All the more reason that bike lane should not have been installed!! In the case of the lanes that are separated by poles, it is not practical to pull over. That's not what we are talking about here.

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

That's nice. The Old Georgetown Road bike lane is not on a shoulder. Old Georgetown Road doesn't have a shoulder, because they widened it to the full width of the right-of-way.

All the more reason that bike lane should not have been installed!! In the case of the lanes that are separated by poles, it is not practical to pull over. That's not what we are talking about here.

[Anonymous]

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

That's nice. The Old Georgetown Road bike lane is not on a shoulder. Old Georgetown Road doesn't have a shoulder, because they widened it to the full width of the right-of-way.

All the more reason that bike lane should not have been installed!! In the case of the lanes that are separated by poles, it is not practical to pull over. That's not what we are talking about here.

So Old Georgetown Road has to stay deadly, in case a driver has an emergency and has to block one of the driving lanes? Well, I disagree.

[Anonymous]

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

That's nice. The Old Georgetown Road bike lane is not on a shoulder. Old Georgetown Road doesn't have a shoulder, because they widened it to the full width of the right-of-way.

All the more reason that bike lane should not have been installed!! In the case of the lanes that are separated by poles, it is not practical to pull over. That's not what we are talking about here.

So Old Georgetown Road has to stay deadly, in case a driver has an emergency and has to block one of the driving lanes? Well, I disagree.

Nope...this was a discussion about the situation in DC where the nutcase cyclist started pounding on the car for pulling over in the bike lane. Nothing to do with OGR.

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

That's nice. The Old Georgetown Road bike lane is not on a shoulder. Old Georgetown Road doesn't have a shoulder, because they widened it to the full width of the right-of-way.

All the more reason that bike lane should not have been installed!! In the case of the lanes that are separated by poles, it is not practical to pull over. That's not what we are talking about here.

So Old Georgetown Road has to stay deadly, in case a driver has an emergency and has to block one of the driving lanes? Well, I disagree.

Nope...this was a discussion about the situation in DC where the nutcase cyclist started pounding on the car for pulling over in the bike lane. Nothing to do with OGR.

Where there also isn't a shoulder, and Maryland design guidelines don't apply. Start your own thread.

[Anonymous]

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

That's nice. The Old Georgetown Road bike lane is not on a shoulder. Old Georgetown Road doesn't have a shoulder, because they widened it to the full width of the right-of-way.

All the more reason that bike lane should not have been installed!! In the case of the lanes that are separated by poles, it is not practical to pull over. That's not what we are talking about here.

So Old Georgetown Road has to stay deadly, in case a driver has an emergency and has to block one of the driving lanes? Well, I disagree.

Nope...this was a discussion about the situation in DC where the nutcase cyclist started pounding on the car for pulling over in the bike lane. Nothing to do with OGR.

Right, so why are you citing an MD regulation as if it's relevant to this particular case? And, as was pointed out, the driver in question did not have his hazards on and was no experiencing any kind of emergency.

[Anonymous]

These lanes are racist. We know exactly who uses them. Rich white men. It’s a garage to say it has anything to do with the environment. It’s called green gentrification.

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Anonymous wrote:These lanes are racist. We know exactly who uses them. Rich white men. It’s a garage to say it has anything to do with the environment. It’s called green gentrification.

We know exactly who had to be injured/killed to get them: a 13-year-old, a 17-year-old, and an 18-year-old.

Four bicyclists have been killed in Montgomery County this year: an immigrant woman in her 60s in Gaithersburg, an 18-year-old college student in Bethesda, a US diplomat in her 40s in Bethesda, and a 19-year-old recent high school graduate in Wheaton. So take your bigoted "rich white men" nonsense somewhere else.

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Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

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Anonymous wrote:Not pp, but have already sat in backups from Pike and Rose to Democracy, and more than once have sat through THREE light cycles at Tuckerman to get through that intersection.

While I agree we need bike lanes, a major thoroughfare that is already blocked with traffic, was not the place to remove one-third of the traffic lanes for cars.

They need to go, and go quickly

In other words, while you agree we need bike lanes, you think driving time is more important. So, where do you think we should have bike lanes?

The only way bike lanes should be handled on that road is to actually ADD a lane...not take away a lane. That means major construction. I support that. I, along with the majority of county residents, do not support the current solution and suspect those lanes will be going in a couple of months.

Agree with this. We all have set-backs in Montgomery County (ours is 8 feet I think, but we are not on a major road). Use them and ADD a bike lane, or a buffer between sidewalk and road. Don't take away 1/3 of the road lanes on an already heavily trafficked roadway

Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

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Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

If only there were ways to get to downtown Bethesda without driving yourself on Old Georgetown Road during peak weekday car travel times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These lanes are racist. We know exactly who uses them. Rich white men. It’s a garage to say it has anything to do with the environment. It’s called green gentrification.

We know exactly who had to be injured/killed to get them: a 13-year-old, a 17-year-old, and an 18-year-old.

Four bicyclists have been killed in Montgomery County this year: an immigrant woman in her 60s in Gaithersburg, an 18-year-old college student in Bethesda, a US diplomat in her 40s in Bethesda, and a 19-year-old recent high school graduate in Wheaton. So take your bigoted "rich white men" nonsense somewhere else.

I take it that you are a white guy then. Because only white guys are so insensitive yet carry such victimhood as to go around calling people “bike bigots”. You folks spend too much time talking to yourselves in an epistemically closed environment to understand how dumb you sound.