New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

If only there were ways to get to downtown Bethesda without driving yourself on Old Georgetown Road during peak weekday car travel times.

There are very few ways that involve freeway access and downtown Bethesda lacks direct freeway access which will always be a big problem for further development. Even Manhattan has a couple freeways. Downtown Bethesda is only sustainable as an urban center if it can be an activity center that can accommodate intra-suburban travel. Looks like the county has decided to purposefully shift their attention to White Flint. Watch retail in downtown Bethesda start to suffer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

If only there were ways to get to downtown Bethesda without driving yourself on Old Georgetown Road during peak weekday car travel times.

There are very few ways that involve freeway access and downtown Bethesda lacks direct freeway access which will always be a big problem for further development. Even Manhattan has a couple freeways. Downtown Bethesda is only sustainable as an urban center if it can be an activity center that can accommodate intra-suburban travel. Looks like the county has decided to purposefully shift their attention to White Flint. Watch retail in downtown Bethesda start to suffer.

Utterly silly and misinformed.

Bethesda is booming right now despite all of the ills you cite and after the Purple Line opens will be as well served by public transit as most downtown DC neighborhoods while also being much closer to the Beltway.

Montgomery County gets it and thankfully isn't listening to chest beating exurban drivers like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

If only there were ways to get to downtown Bethesda without driving yourself on Old Georgetown Road during peak weekday car travel times.

There are very few ways that involve freeway access and downtown Bethesda lacks direct freeway access which will always be a big problem for further development. Even Manhattan has a couple freeways. Downtown Bethesda is only sustainable as an urban center if it can be an activity center that can accommodate intra-suburban travel. Looks like the county has decided to purposefully shift their attention to White Flint. Watch retail in downtown Bethesda start to suffer.

Utterly silly and misinformed.

Bethesda is booming right now despite all of the ills you cite and after the Purple Line opens will be as well served by public transit as most downtown DC neighborhoods while also being much closer to the Beltway.

Montgomery County gets it and thankfully isn't listening to chest beating exurban drivers like you.

And once people decide that it’s not worth it to go there because traffic is too awful (thanks idiots), they will just go to Pike n Rose instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

If only there were ways to get to downtown Bethesda without driving yourself on Old Georgetown Road during peak weekday car travel times.

There are very few ways that involve freeway access and downtown Bethesda lacks direct freeway access which will always be a big problem for further development. Even Manhattan has a couple freeways. Downtown Bethesda is only sustainable as an urban center if it can be an activity center that can accommodate intra-suburban travel. Looks like the county has decided to purposefully shift their attention to White Flint. Watch retail in downtown Bethesda start to suffer.

Utterly silly and misinformed.

Bethesda is booming right now despite all of the ills you cite and after the Purple Line opens will be as well served by public transit as most downtown DC neighborhoods while also being much closer to the Beltway.

Montgomery County gets it and thankfully isn't listening to chest beating exurban drivers like you.

And once people decide that it’s not worth it to go there because traffic is too awful (thanks idiots), they will just go to Pike n Rose instead.

Fine - if people from further out who want to drive eat in Pike & Rose instead of Bethesda that is great - they will be driving shorter distances - that's a win win.

Bethesda meanwhile is on course to have 50,000 people living with a mile of downtown by 2030 if everything in the pipeline gets delivered and the rest of the inner core of the region can easily reach downtown Bethesda quickly on mass transit - also a win win.

NIH and Walter Reed and Marriott aren't going anywhere so I don't think anyone is too worried about Pike and Rose and its faux urbanism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

If only there were ways to get to downtown Bethesda without driving yourself on Old Georgetown Road during peak weekday car travel times.

There are very few ways that involve freeway access and downtown Bethesda lacks direct freeway access which will always be a big problem for further development. Even Manhattan has a couple freeways. Downtown Bethesda is only sustainable as an urban center if it can be an activity center that can accommodate intra-suburban travel. Looks like the county has decided to purposefully shift their attention to White Flint. Watch retail in downtown Bethesda start to suffer.

Utterly silly and misinformed.

Bethesda is booming right now despite all of the ills you cite and after the Purple Line opens will be as well served by public transit as most downtown DC neighborhoods while also being much closer to the Beltway.

Montgomery County gets it and thankfully isn't listening to chest beating exurban drivers like you.

if the promoters of the Purple Line are correct, that it’s about equity, then the intended users will not be people paying $8 for a croissant at Paul. Not sure how that helps Bethesda businesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

If only there were ways to get to downtown Bethesda without driving yourself on Old Georgetown Road during peak weekday car travel times.

There are very few ways that involve freeway access and downtown Bethesda lacks direct freeway access which will always be a big problem for further development. Even Manhattan has a couple freeways. Downtown Bethesda is only sustainable as an urban center if it can be an activity center that can accommodate intra-suburban travel. Looks like the county has decided to purposefully shift their attention to White Flint. Watch retail in downtown Bethesda start to suffer.

Utterly silly and misinformed.

Bethesda is booming right now despite all of the ills you cite and after the Purple Line opens will be as well served by public transit as most downtown DC neighborhoods while also being much closer to the Beltway.

Montgomery County gets it and thankfully isn't listening to chest beating exurban drivers like you.

And once people decide that it’s not worth it to go there because traffic is too awful (thanks idiots), they will just go to Pike n Rose instead.

Fine - if people from further out who want to drive eat in Pike & Rose instead of Bethesda that is great - they will be driving shorter distances - that's a win win.

Bethesda meanwhile is on course to have 50,000 people living with a mile of downtown by 2030 if everything in the pipeline gets delivered and the rest of the inner core of the region can easily reach downtown Bethesda quickly on mass transit - also a win win.

NIH and Walter Reed and Marriott aren't going anywhere so I don't think anyone is too worried about Pike and Rose and its faux urbanism.

You’re insane. But your ridiculousness does make me wonder where the urbanism and bike lanes in Takoma Park are.

[Anonymous]

Takoma Park on both sides of the line, is easily bikeable without bike lanes, though there are lanes on Piney Branch, but there aren't 6 lane high speed roads going through Takoma in DC or MD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Takoma Park on both sides of the line, is easily bikeable without bike lanes, though there are lanes on Piney Branch, but there aren't 6 lane high speed roads going through Takoma in DC or MD.

The bike lane on Piney Branch IN Takoma Park is one block. That’s it. That’s the only bike lane there.

As is typical in this county, it’s the hypocrite Takoma Park liberals driving the agenda that they refuse to accept for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
if the promoters of the Purple Line are correct, that it’s about equity, then the intended users will not be people paying $8 for a croissant at Paul. Not sure how that helps Bethesda businesses.

The promoters of the Purple Line are correct that it's about transportation.

But yes, I think downtown Bethesda will do fine without people who insist that if they can't drive on 6 lanes of Old Georgetown Road without traffic back-ups at 7:30 am on a weekday, they just won't go to downtown Bethesda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Takoma Park on both sides of the line, is easily bikeable without bike lanes, though there are lanes on Piney Branch, but there aren't 6 lane high speed roads going through Takoma in DC or MD.

Other than New Hampshire Avenue and University Boulevard...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Takoma Park on both sides of the line, is easily bikeable without bike lanes, though there are lanes on Piney Branch, but there aren't 6 lane high speed roads going through Takoma in DC or MD.

Other than New Hampshire Avenue and University Boulevard...

University Blvd is not in Takoma Park. There is no bike lane along New Hampshire IN Takoma Park. But do go on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
if the promoters of the Purple Line are correct, that it’s about equity, then the intended users will not be people paying $8 for a croissant at Paul. Not sure how that helps Bethesda businesses.

The promoters of the Purple Line are correct that it's about transportation.

But yes, I think downtown Bethesda will do fine without people who insist that if they can't drive on 6 lanes of Old Georgetown Road without traffic back-ups at 7:30 am on a weekday, they just won't go to downtown Bethesda.

Narrator: It won’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Setbacks are not government property, it is private property. It is not for the government to use as they wish without compensation.

It’s clear the problem here is that there are a bunch of really foolish people advocating for something without having basic understanding of how the world works. Decision making based in ignorance never leads to good outcomes.

Guess what guys and girls, the traffic is not going to magically “evaporate” without the rain evaporating the downtown Bethesda economy. Even more ridiculously, the County Council purposefully did not identify Old Georgetown Rd as a “growth corridor” in Thrive so it will not have significantly increased density to support whatever car free dream that you have for at least the next 50 years.

The practical effect here is that reduced capacity on Old Georgetown Rd will end up discouraging further urbanism in Bethesda because it now strands the downtown sector in a moat of congestion. Well done people!

If only there were ways to get to downtown Bethesda without driving yourself on Old Georgetown Road during peak weekday car travel times.

There are very few ways that involve freeway access and downtown Bethesda lacks direct freeway access which will always be a big problem for further development. Even Manhattan has a couple freeways. Downtown Bethesda is only sustainable as an urban center if it can be an activity center that can accommodate intra-suburban travel. Looks like the county has decided to purposefully shift their attention to White Flint. Watch retail in downtown Bethesda start to suffer.

Utterly silly and misinformed.

Bethesda is booming right now despite all of the ills you cite and after the Purple Line opens will be as well served by public transit as most downtown DC neighborhoods while also being much closer to the Beltway.

Montgomery County gets it and thankfully isn't listening to chest beating exurban drivers like you.

And once people decide that it’s not worth it to go there because traffic is too awful (thanks idiots), they will just go to Pike n Rose instead.

Fine - if people from further out who want to drive eat in Pike & Rose instead of Bethesda that is great - they will be driving shorter distances - that's a win win.

Bethesda meanwhile is on course to have 50,000 people living with a mile of downtown by 2030 if everything in the pipeline gets delivered and the rest of the inner core of the region can easily reach downtown Bethesda quickly on mass transit - also a win win.

NIH and Walter Reed and Marriott aren't going anywhere so I don't think anyone is too worried about Pike and Rose and its faux urbanism.

If that’s the sum total of employers that the county can expect to attract then we are all in trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Takoma Park on both sides of the line, is easily bikeable without bike lanes, though there are lanes on Piney Branch, but there aren't 6 lane high speed roads going through Takoma in DC or MD.

The bike lane on Piney Branch IN Takoma Park is one block. That’s it. That’s the only bike lane there.

As is typical in this county, it’s the hypocrite Takoma Park liberals driving the agenda that they refuse to accept for themselves.

This is incorrect. The Piney Branch protected bike lane terminates at Eastern Ave. It does not continue into Takoma Park. There are zero protected bike lanes in the entire city of Takoma Park, including state highways in the city and there are only a handful of blocks that even have painted bike lanes. It’s an absolute joke.

[Anonymous]

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Sorry, but that cyclist even admitted he is a jerk! Come on...that kind of behavior is off the rails. He could have called the non emergency number or nicely told them that they weren't allowed to park there. I would have been very upset if someone did that to me. I very well could have pulled over for an emergency or whatnot. The cyclist had no idea why the people were pulled over or that they had speeding fines.

You still don't get to park in the bike lane, just like you don't get to park on the sidewalk.

I got doored once by a driver who didn't look. The driver yelled at me for damaging his car. Fortunately I wasn't injured, but dooring can kill people.

So where does a car pull over for an emergency then? I'm waiting.

In the road.

So basically the driver of a care with an emergency should stop in the middle of the road so the bike lane will be clear. Got it.

Why is it ok for you to block the bike lane or the sidewalk with your car in an emergency, but not the road?

Again, entitled attitude once again from the bike community. I found this document which might give you some clarity on how it's done. https://www.roads.maryland.gov/ohd2/bike_policy_and_design_guide.pdf

That's nice. The Old Georgetown Road bike lane is not on a shoulder. Old Georgetown Road doesn't have a shoulder, because they widened it to the full width of the right-of-way.

It may not have had a shoulder before but it has a shoulder now, your empty bike lane.