Another Black Eye for Penn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why did a 23 year old woman pathologically lie to reporters and eagerly spread those lies on her own social media account?

She takes no agency for this. Her and her sycophants point the finger at whomever called the university exposing her web of lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is buying this, you can stop spamming the forum. The rich spoiled layabout needs to get off Twitter and DCUM and go get a real job. Imagine the gall to pretend to be poor kid and you’ve never worked a day in your life.

Yes, because graduating with honors and supporting yourself through college isn't work?

Turns out that scared teenager writing in her journal was 100% right. People will often side with the abusers.

You are a broken record circling back to fake inflated grades. Nobody cares about a rich spoiled brat’s As and Bs at a ritzy day school or As and Bs in a soft major at Penn CAS. Or the soft master’s. No mention of standardized test scores because they are dire, which exposes her for the midwit leech she is.

WTF is wrong with you?

"Why do you care so much?" Again, the closed circle of response.

You are not allowed to question the story of Mackenzie Fierceton.

No, the question was about you. WTF is wrong with you?

Not me, DP. But given your response is to double-down on the same, I guess it does not matter.

You may want to think about why you have so much hate for this girl. It’s fcked up.

She is not a girl. She’s a 25 year old freeloader.

You are messed up.

She was a girl when being abused by her mother and her boyfriend.

Do you have any idea what it’s like to navigate college / your early 20’s without family?

+1

Yes, the only thing this thread is revealing is how fcked up some of the posters are. So much vitriol for this girl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lot of folks in this thread really invested in proving a girl from a rich white family can't be abused, yikes.

No, but some people are really investing in saying that abuse of a white girl excuses everything she might do after.

And before you go there, that doesn't mean people think she is evil or should be jailed or something. Just that she should give back what she should not have taken and acknowledge the facts of what happened. Same as for anyone who did wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of folks in this thread really invested in proving a girl from a rich white family can't be abused, yikes.

No, but some people are really investing in saying that abuse of a white girl excuses everything she might do after.

And before you go there, that doesn't mean people think she is evil or should be jailed or something. Just that she should give back what she should not have taken and acknowledge the facts of what happened. Same as for anyone who did wrong.

No, we are saying that any errors she may have made don't warrant this level of demonization and vitriol.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you people? Did you do this on the pronoun pin thread too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any mother who *laughs to investigators* when asked about her BF molesting her daughter has a screw loose. I cannot take the mom seriously at all after that. Then the BF denies it happened? Even though there’s contemporaneous evidence that it did? And he’s been reported to police *twice* previously by girlfriends? And yet the mom blew off her daughter’s concerns about him? This is a ducked up family.

Also, what was the bit about her mom calling police when the BF showed Mackenzie his gun? It was sort of dropped in there with no context.

(If I posted in one other place am I supposed to say I did? Although not in a chain of posts).

BTW I did see the NY article as providing more detail than before (incidentally, I did not read "broken bones", I did read "bruised ribs") about her seizure at Penn. When the story first broke I was suspicious of the idea that a seizure could continue for an hour without the person entering status epilepticus state, but they may have been administering valium and O2 (my niece has epilepsy, and at times she has had grand mal seizures in clusters). I do wonder how those stairs and the basement are sent up, because ambulance gurneys are capable of folding into a chair shape to handle stairway turns. A little surprised it took a long time for seizures to occur after her original fall down the stairs.

But most telling is her mother's role, which is bizarre. If I had been her and did not want to risk my status or professional position in the community, I also might have fought the legal battles as she did, but other than that I would keep my mouth shut. I might be estranged from my daughter but I wouldn't keep stirring the pot as she seems to have. She got her criminal charges dropped, she got her name removed from the child abuse registry, she could have let her daughter go on leading her life with a new name.

If it were a seizure (like a grand mal seizure), then it would be coded in diagnosis as a seizure. That's one of the things that would come out at trial, if Fierceton were relying on it.

"Seizure-like activity" is a red flag for "not seizures," though.

[Anonymous]

Penn is a serious college where academic integrity is paramount and the honor code can get a Black boy expelled for lifting a few lines for a random class essay. This rich white woman plagiarizes her entire life to score nearly $400,000 in aid. Keep the master’s, claw back the bachelor’s and make her pay cash for all the aid she received.

[Anonymous]

I think a lot of posters are really invested in ignoring that Fierceton would have been probably thrown in jail and abused (and certainly not passionately defended) if she had been a Black boy (who would have been called a man, not a kid).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, Mackenzie Fierceton supporters, what was up with that claim she needed to be given extra money to take care of her disabled sister?

Explanation?

I grew up in a household with an abusive highly regarded parent (not this kind of physical abuse she suffered though) and the only thing that keeps me tethered to my family and kept me there for as long as I stayed was obligation to my siblings. Any older child in a difficult home will tell you that leaving the others behind is either the hardest thing you've ever done, or the thing that never let you leave. It makes complete sense to me that the one contact she is maintaining is a sibling to try to help pull out of the same situation.

The fact that this is not readily apparent to you makes you seem like a psychopath.

So if it is brought up in the court case, I'm sure we will learn if she actually set aside money for her sister, or even kept in contact with her sister. Again, court will tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of posters are really invested in ignoring that Fierceton would have been probably thrown in jail and abused (and certainly not passionately defended) if she had been a Black boy (who would have been called a man, not a kid).

Thrown in jail for what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there really are some dark hearted, hateful people on this thread. imagine if your loved ones knew the innerworkings of your heart and the evil lurking in your mind.

It is not dark hearted or hateful to acknowledge that there is a vast gap in how Fierceton was treated and how she would have been treated had she been anyone other than a very attractive white woman.

You get that her mother got a huge dose of white lady privilege in how the abuse allegations were investigated, right? If you’re going to doubt Fierceton’s story based on white female privilege, you have to do the same for her mother.

I do. I absolutely believe that her mother benefited from the same privilege. That doesn’t take away from the fact that Fierceton significantly benefited and continues to benefit from that same privilege.

I think a lot of the anger towards Fierceton here comes from that unacknowledged reality from her supporters who insist on seeing her solely as a victim, not as a beneficiary of systemic and totally unacknowledged racism.

Some of us are abuse survivors ourselves.

I’d be even more adamant a supporter of her if she were black.

I bet this is the first time you’ve been concerned about systemic racism.

How to say “I’m white” without saying “I’m white.”

You think the PP was trying to hide their race? Or what? I am seriously unclear on what your point is. You appear to be trying a Gotcha on someone whose comment acknowledged the thing you're trying to get them on. (Hint: The "some of us" = a white supporter)

I think the point is that people, including me, simply don’t believe you when you claim that you would have been more adamant of a supporter of hers if she had been Black. I frankly don’t think you would have noticed or cared. And I also don’t think that a Black version of Fierceton would have even had a chance to litigate.

Fierceton’s white privilege here is tremendous, even with the horrendous abuse I personally have no doubt she suffered. But her vociferous supporters seem totally blind to that, and that’s what I think is triggering a lot of the clearly over-the-top vitriol here and in other spots.

I don’t agree with or support the vitriol and nastiness that has been said here. It’s wrong. But I also think it is wrong to create a narrative where Fierceton is entirely the victim, with no agency, when she has clearly benefited from a system that wouldn’t be accessible to almost any other profile of student, and I think if empathy is provided, empathy for people who are angry about that is also warranted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of posters are really invested in ignoring that Fierceton would have been probably thrown in jail and abused (and certainly not passionately defended) if she had been a Black boy (who would have been called a man, not a kid).

Thrown in jail for what?

Fraud and theft.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why did 23 year old woman pathologically lie to reporters and eagerly spread those lies on her own social media account?

First answer why the highly educated rich privileged mother pathologically lied to police, schools, social services, medical professionals, and other parents from the high school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there really are some dark hearted, hateful people on this thread. imagine if your loved ones knew the innerworkings of your heart and the evil lurking in your mind.

It is not dark hearted or hateful to acknowledge that there is a vast gap in how Fierceton was treated and how she would have been treated had she been anyone other than a very attractive white woman.

You get that her mother got a huge dose of white lady privilege in how the abuse allegations were investigated, right? If you’re going to doubt Fierceton’s story based on white female privilege, you have to do the same for her mother.

I do. I absolutely believe that her mother benefited from the same privilege. That doesn’t take away from the fact that Fierceton significantly benefited and continues to benefit from that same privilege.

I think a lot of the anger towards Fierceton here comes from that unacknowledged reality from her supporters who insist on seeing her solely as a victim, not as a beneficiary of systemic and totally unacknowledged racism.

Some of us are abuse survivors ourselves.

I’d be even more adamant a supporter of her if she were black.

I bet this is the first time you’ve been concerned about systemic racism.

How to say “I’m white” without saying “I’m white.”

You think the PP was trying to hide their race? Or what? I am seriously unclear on what your point is. You appear to be trying a Gotcha on someone whose comment acknowledged the thing you're trying to get them on. (Hint: The "some of us" = a white supporter)

I think the point is that people, including me, simply don’t believe you when you claim that you would have been more adamant of a supporter of hers if she had been Black. I frankly don’t think you would have noticed or cared. And I also don’t think that a Black version of Fierceton would have even had a chance to litigate.

Fierceton’s white privilege here is tremendous, even with the horrendous abuse I personally have no doubt she suffered. But her vociferous supporters seem totally blind to that, and that’s what I think is triggering a lot of the clearly over-the-top vitriol here and in other spots.

I don’t agree with or support the vitriol and nastiness that has been said here. It’s wrong. But I also think it is wrong to create a narrative where Fierceton is entirely the victim, with no agency, when she has clearly benefited from a system that wouldn’t be accessible to almost any other profile of student, and I think if empathy is provided, empathy for people who are angry about that is also warranted.

Your beef is with systematic racism. Why are you taking your anger out on an abuse victim?

[Anonymous]

WOW. I just read probably 70% of this thread and the entire NY article. I have not read ANYTHING else about this story and somehow missed the other threads. I have read DCUM for almost a decade. And this thread is full of the WORST of DCUM.

The insane psychopaths who get their claws into a story and will not let go. I read that article and felt nothing but blind rage for this girl. Literal red fury. I was a rich abused kid too, although not like this, with physical beatings. All of this victim shaming and abuse, mind blowing. She has contemporaneous writings, a hospital stay, multiple teachers and friends and social workers and the police who did the interview support her and believe her. The only people who do not believe her, by the way, are the people who did not know her when the abuse was happening. Who came in after the fact and got spun. The only people who didn't see her injuries. That is telling. It is easy to pretend a nice pretty white girl is just lying then indict an upstanding member of the community.

You should all be absolutely ashamed of yourself. I think the mother is posting here, because this insane level of vitriol does not make sense unless you have some personal stake in the story. Or maybe it isn't the mother but the families at the school who took her side who feel the tentacles of guilt reaching for them. The father who told Penn she was a manipulator. The attorneys who dropped her case. All the people culpable in her story. She is being punished because she not only survived, but thrived. And as another excellent compartmentalizer, I have always resented how my suffering has never been known because I am just very good at standing the ff back up. She should not be punished for refusing to let her life be ruined by this.

It has been a long time since a thread on DCUM filled me with such fury, I read the article and came here expecting people to be equally appalled and just read this disgusting VILE speculations. I am beyond words, I know I just wrote plenty, but I am finding it almost impossible to disguise my disgust for the posters here.

And GOOD FOR McKENZIE using her voice, because she DOES have privilege and she clearly knows it. That privilege helps her, and it means she can shine a light on this type of systemic favoritism towards a professional looking lady. She can show how abuse has more faces, because she has privilege herself. Just like she reached out to that man who died's widow to give her the tools to support her family and justice for her husband even though again, it just exposed her to more unfair scrutiny. God. I feel dirty for having read this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there really are some dark hearted, hateful people on this thread. imagine if your loved ones knew the innerworkings of your heart and the evil lurking in your mind.

It is not dark hearted or hateful to acknowledge that there is a vast gap in how Fierceton was treated and how she would have been treated had she been anyone other than a very attractive white woman.

You get that her mother got a huge dose of white lady privilege in how the abuse allegations were investigated, right? If you’re going to doubt Fierceton’s story based on white female privilege, you have to do the same for her mother.

I do. I absolutely believe that her mother benefited from the same privilege. That doesn’t take away from the fact that Fierceton significantly benefited and continues to benefit from that same privilege.

I think a lot of the anger towards Fierceton here comes from that unacknowledged reality from her supporters who insist on seeing her solely as a victim, not as a beneficiary of systemic and totally unacknowledged racism.

Some of us are abuse survivors ourselves.

I’d be even more adamant a supporter of her if she were black.

I bet this is the first time you’ve been concerned about systemic racism.

How to say “I’m white” without saying “I’m white.”

You think the PP was trying to hide their race? Or what? I am seriously unclear on what your point is. You appear to be trying a Gotcha on someone whose comment acknowledged the thing you're trying to get them on. (Hint: The "some of us" = a white supporter)

I think the point is that people, including me, simply don’t believe you when you claim that you would have been more adamant of a supporter of hers if she had been Black. I frankly don’t think you would have noticed or cared. And I also don’t think that a Black version of Fierceton would have even had a chance to litigate.

Fierceton’s white privilege here is tremendous, even with the horrendous abuse I personally have no doubt she suffered. But her vociferous supporters seem totally blind to that, and that’s what I think is triggering a lot of the clearly over-the-top vitriol here and in other spots.

I don’t agree with or support the vitriol and nastiness that has been said here. It’s wrong. But I also think it is wrong to create a narrative where Fierceton is entirely the victim, with no agency, when she has clearly benefited from a system that wouldn’t be accessible to almost any other profile of student, and I think if empathy is provided, empathy for people who are angry about that is also warranted.

Your beef is with systematic racism. Why are you taking your anger out on an abuse victim?

I’m not taking anything out on an abuse victim. I haven’t said anything negative about Fierceton at all in this thread, not once. I think her supporters are not acting very well in this thread, though, and I have criticized them.