DCPS is rejecting CDC quarantine rules

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I just hope nobody tests.


+100. Several family at our schools (over 100 kids so far) coordinated not to opt into asymptomatic testing because of these rules


How were you able to coordinate this?


On PTA and room parent every year for multiple kids at the school - so I’m close and have rapport with multiple families. And it’s a close knit community.


“close knit community” = PP believes she can bully other parents into doing what she and two other Room Moms want. Suprise, peoole will smile and nod, but not do it. Or you’ll have an ugly surprise, like the “close knit” class at our school that all opted to stay remote because they thought they could keep “their” teacher from going in person. Surprise!


Close knit community with no black or brown kids….hmmm….


Except I (OP) literally just said i am “brown” (ugh I and many of “my” people hate that term btw...). It’s a JKLM school. It’s no secret that we POC make up a very small percentage



So Lafayette or Janney
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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I just hope nobody tests.


+100. Several family at our schools (over 100 kids so far) coordinated not to opt into asymptomatic testing because of these rules


How were you able to coordinate this?


On PTA and room parent every year for multiple kids at the school - so I’m close and have rapport with multiple families. And it’s a close knit community.


“close knit community” = PP believes she can bully other parents into doing what she and two other Room Moms want. Suprise, peoole will smile and nod, but not do it. Or you’ll have an ugly surprise, like the “close knit” class at our school that all opted to stay remote because they thought they could keep “their” teacher from going in person. Surprise!


My money is on Lafayette


It actually sounds like our school (will not name it). I can assure PP that their prior attempts to organize stunts like that were not successful - parents called the principal to inform them of what you were up to. I’m ambivalent about asymptomatic testing when spread is low - but we don’t know what the future really holds this year. PP’s “pact” is really reckless.


Principal is aware. Came up during a PTA meeting last week. It’s not a pact. It was a discussion where this issue was being discussed and then multiple families chimed in saying they fully agree and were already planning not to opt into asymptomatic testing. It was actually a discussion promoted in large part to make sure other families were comfortable with that and share thoughts about tactics for the upcoming year. Only about 30% of the in person families had opted into asymptomatic testing schoolwide in the Spring, so this is not surprising or even new. For us, however, it will mean proactively withdrawing our prior consent since I had provided it in the Spring.


this is totally different from what you claimed - that 100 families “coordinated” to refuse testing. typical delusional “room mom” vastly overestimating her importance and failing to understand that most parents are just nodding along to placate you.
Anonymous
I am so confused- why are you opting out of testing? You don’t want to know when your child has COVID?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am so confused- why are you opting out of testing? You don’t want to know when your child has COVID?


In short:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/19/schools-covid-testing-cost/

"But there are downsides to systematic testing that have been insufficiently considered, including costs, lost learning time, logistics and stress for those subjected to such a regime. False-positive results — which say you are infected when you aren’t — pose particular problems. Overall, this kind of widespread testing fails cost-benefit analysis: It will drain already insufficient public school resources while doing little to improve safety. And with nearly 80 percent of teachers and school staffers vaccinated with their first dose, the argument for testing grows even weaker.

First, classrooms have thankfully been found — in studies examining schools in multiple states — to be places of limited disease transmission, compared with communities at large. The rate of transmission within schools from individuals who test positive has been estimated to be on the order of 0.5 percent to 0.7 percent (and this includes people exhibiting symptoms).

A rate that low implies that a testing regimen would need to identify roughly 200 infected people to prevent one person from transmitting the disease in school. It would take an awful lot of tests to achieve those numbers. In New York City, where more than 234,000 asymptomatic students and staff members across approximately 1,600 schools were tested last fall, the overall rate of positive tests was only 0.4 percent. That suggests that — even during a time of high community spread — about 40,000 tests among asymptomatic individuals would need to be performed to prevent one in-school transmission.

And how accurate are these tests? Rapid antigen and saliva PCR tests, which are frequently used in schools, can have a false positive rate of 1 or 2 percent. That may sound low, but statisticians know that, when testing in a setting of low prevalence of disease, even a single-digit false-positive rate can be extremely problematic.

The current prevalence rate for the coronavirus in the United States is roughly 15 cases per 10,000 people per week. (Prevalence in schools tends to be similar to, or lower than, that in the surrounding community.) If you give 10,000 people a test that produces false positives 2 percent of the time, that means you might get 215 positives: 15 true positives and 200 false positives. In other words, more than 90 percent of the positive test results will be incorrect."
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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I just hope nobody tests.


+100. Several family at our schools (over 100 kids so far) coordinated not to opt into asymptomatic testing because of these rules


How were you able to coordinate this?


On PTA and room parent every year for multiple kids at the school - so I’m close and have rapport with multiple families. And it’s a close knit community.


“close knit community” = PP believes she can bully other parents into doing what she and two other Room Moms want. Suprise, peoole will smile and nod, but not do it. Or you’ll have an ugly surprise, like the “close knit” class at our school that all opted to stay remote because they thought they could keep “their” teacher from going in person. Surprise!


My money is on Lafayette


It actually sounds like our school (will not name it). I can assure PP that their prior attempts to organize stunts like that were not successful - parents called the principal to inform them of what you were up to. I’m ambivalent about asymptomatic testing when spread is low - but we don’t know what the future really holds this year. PP’s “pact” is really reckless.


Principal is aware. Came up during a PTA meeting last week. It’s not a pact. It was a discussion where this issue was being discussed and then multiple families chimed in saying they fully agree and were already planning not to opt into asymptomatic testing. It was actually a discussion promoted in large part to make sure other families were comfortable with that and share thoughts about tactics for the upcoming year. Only about 30% of the in person families had opted into asymptomatic testing schoolwide in the Spring, so this is not surprising or even new. For us, however, it will mean proactively withdrawing our prior consent since I had provided it in the Spring.


this is totally different from what you claimed - that 100 families “coordinated” to refuse testing. typical delusional “room mom” vastly overestimating her importance and failing to understand that most parents are just nodding along to placate you.


I was not even the one who raised it or actively discussed it. So how you think this is about my perceived importance is super odd. What i do know of less than 30% of parents opted in in the Spring and many of those parents have already reached out asking to withdraw their consents. I meant coordinated in the sense that they made sure to ask whether other families would be upset by this and no one responded that they would be- rather, many families said not at all, that it makes sense and they plan to do the same. The principal is aware of several families since then proactively reaching out to protest against the asymptomatic testing (or to change quarantine rules if they keep it) and to withdraw consents or make explicit that they don’t consent
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Anonymous wrote:I am so confused- why are you opting out of testing? You don’t want to know when your child has COVID?


In short:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/19/schools-covid-testing-cost/

"But there are downsides to systematic testing that have been insufficiently considered, including costs, lost learning time, logistics and stress for those subjected to such a regime. False-positive results — which say you are infected when you aren’t — pose particular problems. Overall, this kind of widespread testing fails cost-benefit analysis: It will drain already insufficient public school resources while doing little to improve safety. And with nearly 80 percent of teachers and school staffers vaccinated with their first dose, the argument for testing grows even weaker.

First, classrooms have thankfully been found — in studies examining schools in multiple states — to be places of limited disease transmission, compared with communities at large. The rate of transmission within schools from individuals who test positive has been estimated to be on the order of 0.5 percent to 0.7 percent (and this includes people exhibiting symptoms).

A rate that low implies that a testing regimen would need to identify roughly 200 infected people to prevent one person from transmitting the disease in school. It would take an awful lot of tests to achieve those numbers. In New York City, where more than 234,000 asymptomatic students and staff members across approximately 1,600 schools were tested last fall, the overall rate of positive tests was only 0.4 percent. That suggests that — even during a time of high community spread — about 40,000 tests among asymptomatic individuals would need to be performed to prevent one in-school transmission.

And how accurate are these tests? Rapid antigen and saliva PCR tests, which are frequently used in schools, can have a false positive rate of 1 or 2 percent. That may sound low, but statisticians know that, when testing in a setting of low prevalence of disease, even a single-digit false-positive rate can be extremely problematic.

The current prevalence rate for the coronavirus in the United States is roughly 15 cases per 10,000 people per week. (Prevalence in schools tends to be similar to, or lower than, that in the surrounding community.) If you give 10,000 people a test that produces false positives 2 percent of the time, that means you might get 215 positives: 15 true positives and 200 false positives. In other words, more than 90 percent of the positive test results will be incorrect."


+100. And this doesn’t even account for the fact that people can test positive up to three months after they had Covid whereas it’s only contagious for up to 10 days. You will be unnecessarily quarantining a crap ton of kids with asymptomatic testing
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am so confused- why are you opting out of testing? You don’t want to know when your child has COVID?


In short:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/19/schools-covid-testing-cost/


You're quoting an outlook editorial from April 19. The risks, and resulting risk-benefit analyses were different then.

This is what WaPo outlook editorials sound like today, August 8, 2021.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/04/pediatrician-covid-children-delta/

in her title and subtitle, she wrote:
I treat pediatric covid patients. What I’m seeing in our hospital scares me.
Children can and do get very ill from the virus. The delta variant, the unvaccinated and a summer surge in a childhood respiratory disease are worrying.

in her concluding sentence, she wrote:
Masking (including universal masking in schools), physical distancing, testing, contact tracing, quarantining and vaccinating do help. If we abandon these crucial tools now, we are putting our children in harm’s way.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I just hope nobody tests.


+100. Several family at our schools (over 100 kids so far) coordinated not to opt into asymptomatic testing because of these rules


How were you able to coordinate this?


On PTA and room parent every year for multiple kids at the school - so I’m close and have rapport with multiple families. And it’s a close knit community.


“close knit community” = PP believes she can bully other parents into doing what she and two other Room Moms want. Suprise, peoole will smile and nod, but not do it. Or you’ll have an ugly surprise, like the “close knit” class at our school that all opted to stay remote because they thought they could keep “their” teacher from going in person. Surprise!


My money is on Lafayette


It actually sounds like our school (will not name it). I can assure PP that their prior attempts to organize stunts like that were not successful - parents called the principal to inform them of what you were up to. I’m ambivalent about asymptomatic testing when spread is low - but we don’t know what the future really holds this year. PP’s “pact” is really reckless.


Principal is aware. Came up during a PTA meeting last week. It’s not a pact. It was a discussion where this issue was being discussed and then multiple families chimed in saying they fully agree and were already planning not to opt into asymptomatic testing. It was actually a discussion promoted in large part to make sure other families were comfortable with that and share thoughts about tactics for the upcoming year. Only about 30% of the in person families had opted into asymptomatic testing schoolwide in the Spring, so this is not surprising or even new. For us, however, it will mean proactively withdrawing our prior consent since I had provided it in the Spring.


NP. Sounds reasonable. I hope this is Janney.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am so confused- why are you opting out of testing? You don’t want to know when your child has COVID?


In short:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/19/schools-covid-testing-cost/


You're quoting an outlook editorial from April 19. The risks, and resulting risk-benefit analyses were different then.

This is what WaPo outlook editorials sound like today, August 8, 2021.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/04/pediatrician-covid-children-delta/

in her title and subtitle, she wrote:
I treat pediatric covid patients. What I’m seeing in our hospital scares me.
Children can and do get very ill from the virus. The delta variant, the unvaccinated and a summer surge in a childhood respiratory disease are worrying.

in her concluding sentence, she wrote:
Masking (including universal masking in schools), physical distancing, testing, contact tracing, quarantining and vaccinating do help. If we abandon these crucial tools now, we are putting our children in harm’s way.


Math hasn't changed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am so confused- why are you opting out of testing? You don’t want to know when your child has COVID?


In short:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/19/schools-covid-testing-cost/


You're quoting an outlook editorial from April 19. The risks, and resulting risk-benefit analyses were different then.

This is what WaPo outlook editorials sound like today, August 8, 2021.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/04/pediatrician-covid-children-delta/

in her title and subtitle, she wrote:
I treat pediatric covid patients. What I’m seeing in our hospital scares me.
Children can and do get very ill from the virus. The delta variant, the unvaccinated and a summer surge in a childhood respiratory disease are worrying.

in her concluding sentence, she wrote:
Masking (including universal masking in schools), physical distancing, testing, contact tracing, quarantining and vaccinating do help. If we abandon these crucial tools now, we are putting our children in harm’s way.


Math hasn't changed.


Covid has, though.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am so confused- why are you opting out of testing? You don’t want to know when your child has COVID?


In short:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/19/schools-covid-testing-cost/


You're quoting an outlook editorial from April 19. The risks, and resulting risk-benefit analyses were different then.

This is what WaPo outlook editorials sound like today, August 8, 2021.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/04/pediatrician-covid-children-delta/

in her title and subtitle, she wrote:
I treat pediatric covid patients. What I’m seeing in our hospital scares me.
Children can and do get very ill from the virus. The delta variant, the unvaccinated and a summer surge in a childhood respiratory disease are worrying.

in her concluding sentence, she wrote:
Masking (including universal masking in schools), physical distancing, testing, contact tracing, quarantining and vaccinating do help. If we abandon these crucial tools now, we are putting our children in harm’s way.


Math hasn't changed.


Covid has, though.


Only in terms of transmissibility. The risk to kids if they get infected remains extremely low, no matter what some doctors say they are seeing anecdotally. More kids get infected means the absolute numbers will rise. Also consider that many of these kids may have RSV or another virus in addition to testing positive for Covid. Hospitals won’t necessarily test for these other viruses (in my experience not even when the Covid test is negative and there is severe disease), but they test everyone for Covid.
Anonymous
NO here. The transmissibility necessarily changes the math.
Anonymous
NP.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am so confused- why are you opting out of testing? You don’t want to know when your child has COVID?


In short:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/19/schools-covid-testing-cost/


You're quoting an outlook editorial from April 19. The risks, and resulting risk-benefit analyses were different then.

This is what WaPo outlook editorials sound like today, August 8, 2021.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/04/pediatrician-covid-children-delta/

in her title and subtitle, she wrote:
I treat pediatric covid patients. What I’m seeing in our hospital scares me.
Children can and do get very ill from the virus. The delta variant, the unvaccinated and a summer surge in a childhood respiratory disease are worrying.

in her concluding sentence, she wrote:
Masking (including universal masking in schools), physical distancing, testing, contact tracing, quarantining and vaccinating do help. If we abandon these crucial tools now, we are putting our children in harm’s way.


Math hasn't changed.


Covid has, though.


Only in terms of transmissibility. The risk to kids if they get infected remains extremely low, no matter what some doctors say they are seeing anecdotally. More kids get infected means the absolute numbers will rise. Also consider that many of these kids may have RSV or another virus in addition to testing positive for Covid. Hospitals won’t necessarily test for these other viruses (in my experience not even when the Covid test is negative and there is severe disease), but they test everyone for Covid.


What exactly is your clinical experience? If a child is sick in the hospital they are most likely tested for at least 20 of the most common of respiratory viruses, which includes RSV.
Anonymous
It will be fine. kids need to be back in school. period.
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