According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Further, I hope to God that there are some massive errors with this chart and data, but, is this really what APS is doing with their recovery money?????

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/FY-2022-ARPA-Items-Descriptions.pdf

$10.5M and 111.50 Full Time Employees for a virtual school program???????

Only $1M and 12 Full Time Employee Reading and Match Coaches to address learning loss in ES??????????

What in the literal F***

I haven't been the biggest fan of APS teachers - well ever - but I mean wow, that's a slap in the face to teachers and to staff. I mean they could have at least used some of that money to increase the summer school bonus or use it to cover a portion of health insurance or co pays for the next year for teachers and staff. I mean there has to be something better they could do with $10 M than duplicate a virtual program that already exists in VA and is free for families to access! I personally would like to see bonuses to the people who showed up at the high schools to be proctors for months on end when teachers couldn't be bothered.

WTF is wrong with you?

Kicked in the head as a child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Further, I hope to God that there are some massive errors with this chart and data, but, is this really what APS is doing with their recovery money?????

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/FY-2022-ARPA-Items-Descriptions.pdf

$10.5M and 111.50 Full Time Employees for a virtual school program???????

Only $1M and 12 Full Time Employee Reading and Match Coaches to address learning loss in ES??????????

What in the literal F***

I haven't been the biggest fan of APS teachers - well ever - but I mean wow, that's a slap in the face to teachers and to staff. I mean they could have at least used some of that money to increase the summer school bonus or use it to cover a portion of health insurance or co pays for the next year for teachers and staff. I mean there has to be something better they could do with $10 M than duplicate a virtual program that already exists in VA and is free for families to access! I personally would like to see bonuses to the people who showed up at the high schools to be proctors for months on end when teachers couldn't be bothered.

WTF is wrong with you?

Kicked in the head as a child?

LOL! no but my rose colored glasses about how teachers are just awesome! and the best! and they can do no wrong! are long gone....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Further, I hope to God that there are some massive errors with this chart and data, but, is this really what APS is doing with their recovery money?????

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/FY-2022-ARPA-Items-Descriptions.pdf

$10.5M and 111.50 Full Time Employees for a virtual school program???????

Only $1M and 12 Full Time Employee Reading and Match Coaches to address learning loss in ES??????????

What in the literal F***

I haven't been the biggest fan of APS teachers - well ever - but I mean wow, that's a slap in the face to teachers and to staff. I mean they could have at least used some of that money to increase the summer school bonus or use it to cover a portion of health insurance or co pays for the next year for teachers and staff. I mean there has to be something better they could do with $10 M than duplicate a virtual program that already exists in VA and is free for families to access! I personally would like to see bonuses to the people who showed up at the high schools to be proctors for months on end when teachers couldn't be bothered.

WTF is wrong with you?

Kicked in the head as a child?

LOL! no but my rose colored glasses about how teachers are just awesome! and the best! and they can do no wrong! are long gone....

If you generalize that ALL teachers are bad based on a bad experience with 1 or 2 teachers then YOU are the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Further, I hope to God that there are some massive errors with this chart and data, but, is this really what APS is doing with their recovery money?????

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/FY-2022-ARPA-Items-Descriptions.pdf

$10.5M and 111.50 Full Time Employees for a virtual school program???????

Only $1M and 12 Full Time Employee Reading and Match Coaches to address learning loss in ES??????????

What in the literal F***

I haven't been the biggest fan of APS teachers - well ever - but I mean wow, that's a slap in the face to teachers and to staff. I mean they could have at least used some of that money to increase the summer school bonus or use it to cover a portion of health insurance or co pays for the next year for teachers and staff. I mean there has to be something better they could do with $10 M than duplicate a virtual program that already exists in VA and is free for families to access! I personally would like to see bonuses to the people who showed up at the high schools to be proctors for months on end when teachers couldn't be bothered.

WTF - APS could just use Virtual Virginia?? That has to be a much lower cost per student.

[Anonymous]

I’m a native English speaker and I have no idea what I just read…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think she's fake, unfortunately. she's in the APS Educators group and to enter that, you need an APS email and to disclose what school you work at. I don't know her but her posts are driving me bananas

She is clearly an APS teacher with a real APS email, but her name is facebook profile name is fake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ and that’s isn’t to say that kids aren’t forgetting things because of bad DL! Just that that isn’t “learning loss.”

Leave it to DCUM to insist we insult their kids with terms that aren’t even accurate. Nobody is “gaslighting” a 7 yo, Jesus Christ

[Anonymous]

Didn't read the thread. What do we call it when my child's Math Inventory score goes down 100 points between the beginning of the school year and the end of the school year measures?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't read the thread. What do we call it when my child's Math Inventory score goes down 100 points between the beginning of the school year and the end of the school year measures?

Isn't the MI focused on ranges of scores within an age group? If the points went down, did they forget things they knew prior to the start of the school year or the beginning of year test? My kid is ES and they took it and I thought this is how it works... To have the score meet a proficient range.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't read the thread. What do we call it when my child's Math Inventory score goes down 100 points between the beginning of the school year and the end of the school year measures?

Isn't the MI focused on ranges of scores within an age group? If the points went down, did they forget things they knew prior to the start of the school year or the beginning of year test? My kid is ES and they took it and I thought this is how it works... To have the score meet a proficient range.

I have no idea. you are quoting me. Child still has a proficient MI score so it's all good. Passed the SOL too. I have another child who didn't learn much this last year and it wasnt the teacher. Once she was in school, she learned a lot very quickly. Guess I'm not good at...virtual learning support. We tried; both parents. Anyway, that wasn't learning loss. But her PALs went down so maybe that's 'learning loss" don't know. But it's a useful term IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't read the thread. What do we call it when my child's Math Inventory score goes down 100 points between the beginning of the school year and the end of the school year measures?

Isn't the MI focused on ranges of scores within an age group? If the points went down, did they forget things they knew prior to the start of the school year or the beginning of year test? My kid is ES and they took it and I thought this is how it works... To have the score meet a proficient range.

I have no idea. you are quoting me. Child still has a proficient MI score so it's all good. Passed the SOL too. I have another child who didn't learn much this last year and it wasnt the teacher. Once she was in school, she learned a lot very quickly. Guess I'm not good at...virtual learning support. We tried; both parents. Anyway, that wasn't learning loss. But her PALs went down so maybe that's 'learning loss" don't know. But it's a useful term IMO.

These test scores are fluid things and depend on a lot of factors. Think of it this way: depending on where I am in my hormone cycle, how much I’ve eaten Nd slept, my general mood and mental health, I sometimes have KILLER days in the gym and then a few days later I can struggle lifting weights that were moving very easily the day before. For runners, some days an “easy” run just feels like crap, the miles are slow, etc. Learning is like that too, especially as it relates to being tested. Some test days are bad. Some questions just don’t make sense one day cause they’re tired or distracted or not in the mood to test. So many things we measure in life like this, strength, weight, aptitude, are on a scale, and a score you get one day doesn’t mean that is your score for good. They can and do fluctuate a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't read the thread. What do we call it when my child's Math Inventory score goes down 100 points between the beginning of the school year and the end of the school year measures?

Isn't the MI focused on ranges of scores within an age group? If the points went down, did they forget things they knew prior to the start of the school year or the beginning of year test? My kid is ES and they took it and I thought this is how it works... To have the score meet a proficient range.

I have no idea. you are quoting me. Child still has a proficient MI score so it's all good. Passed the SOL too. I have another child who didn't learn much this last year and it wasnt the teacher. Once she was in school, she learned a lot very quickly. Guess I'm not good at...virtual learning support. We tried; both parents. Anyway, that wasn't learning loss. But her PALs went down so maybe that's 'learning loss" don't know. But it's a useful term IMO.

These test scores are fluid things and depend on a lot of factors. Think of it this way: depending on where I am in my hormone cycle, how much I’ve eaten Nd slept, my general mood and mental health, I sometimes have KILLER days in the gym and then a few days later I can struggle lifting weights that were moving very easily the day before. For runners, some days an “easy” run just feels like crap, the miles are slow, etc. Learning is like that too, especially as it relates to being tested. Some test days are bad. Some questions just don’t make sense one day cause they’re tired or distracted or not in the mood to test. So many things we measure in life like this, strength, weight, aptitude, are on a scale, and a score you get one day doesn’t mean that is your score for good. They can and do fluctuate a lot.

Sorry, but, that's a really poor analogy. To make it realistically correlate to what has happened in APS, you'd have to include a leg amputation and figuring out how to return to routine with a prosthetic.

Our good friend is a director of SPED in a county in another state. She told us that their schools' scores dropped an average of 35% across the board for the March 2020- June 2020 closures they experienced. They were open all last year.

The damage to many APS students is going to be significant. Some will be fine. Many will not. Anyone who pretends otherwise is in denial and an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't read the thread. What do we call it when my child's Math Inventory score goes down 100 points between the beginning of the school year and the end of the school year measures?

Isn't the MI focused on ranges of scores within an age group? If the points went down, did they forget things they knew prior to the start of the school year or the beginning of year test? My kid is ES and they took it and I thought this is how it works... To have the score meet a proficient range.

I have no idea. you are quoting me. Child still has a proficient MI score so it's all good. Passed the SOL too. I have another child who didn't learn much this last year and it wasnt the teacher. Once she was in school, she learned a lot very quickly. Guess I'm not good at...virtual learning support. We tried; both parents. Anyway, that wasn't learning loss. But her PALs went down so maybe that's 'learning loss" don't know. But it's a useful term IMO.

These test scores are fluid things and depend on a lot of factors. Think of it this way: depending on where I am in my hormone cycle, how much I’ve eaten Nd slept, my general mood and mental health, I sometimes have KILLER days in the gym and then a few days later I can struggle lifting weights that were moving very easily the day before. For runners, some days an “easy” run just feels like crap, the miles are slow, etc. Learning is like that too, especially as it relates to being tested. Some test days are bad. Some questions just don’t make sense one day cause they’re tired or distracted or not in the mood to test. So many things we measure in life like this, strength, weight, aptitude, are on a scale, and a score you get one day doesn’t mean that is your score for good. They can and do fluctuate a lot.

Sorry, but, that's a really poor analogy. To make it realistically correlate to what has happened in APS, you'd have to include a leg amputation and figuring out how to return to routine with a prosthetic.

Our good friend is a director of SPED in a county in another state. She told us that their schools' scores dropped an average of 35% across the board for the March 2020- June 2020 closures they experienced. They were open all last year.

The damage to many APS students is going to be significant. Some will be fine. Many will not. Anyone who pretends otherwise is in denial and an idiot.

A: sped doesn’t correlate equally to Gen Ed
B: amputation? Cut the drama

[Anonymous]

School just isn't that important for people to be getting so worked up about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't read the thread. What do we call it when my child's Math Inventory score goes down 100 points between the beginning of the school year and the end of the school year measures?

Isn't the MI focused on ranges of scores within an age group? If the points went down, did they forget things they knew prior to the start of the school year or the beginning of year test? My kid is ES and they took it and I thought this is how it works... To have the score meet a proficient range.

I have no idea. you are quoting me. Child still has a proficient MI score so it's all good. Passed the SOL too. I have another child who didn't learn much this last year and it wasnt the teacher. Once she was in school, she learned a lot very quickly. Guess I'm not good at...virtual learning support. We tried; both parents. Anyway, that wasn't learning loss. But her PALs went down so maybe that's 'learning loss" don't know. But it's a useful term IMO.

These test scores are fluid things and depend on a lot of factors. Think of it this way: depending on where I am in my hormone cycle, how much I’ve eaten Nd slept, my general mood and mental health, I sometimes have KILLER days in the gym and then a few days later I can struggle lifting weights that were moving very easily the day before. For runners, some days an “easy” run just feels like crap, the miles are slow, etc. Learning is like that too, especially as it relates to being tested. Some test days are bad. Some questions just don’t make sense one day cause they’re tired or distracted or not in the mood to test. So many things we measure in life like this, strength, weight, aptitude, are on a scale, and a score you get one day doesn’t mean that is your score for good. They can and do fluctuate a lot.

Sorry, but, that's a really poor analogy. To make it realistically correlate to what has happened in APS, you'd have to include a leg amputation and figuring out how to return to routine with a prosthetic.

Our good friend is a director of SPED in a county in another state. She told us that their schools' scores dropped an average of 35% across the board for the March 2020- June 2020 closures they experienced. They were open all last year.

The damage to many APS students is going to be significant. Some will be fine. Many will not. Anyone who pretends otherwise is in denial and an idiot.

A: sped doesn’t correlate equally to Gen Ed
B: amputation? Cut the drama

I'm the first poster. In fairness, both of my children do have learning disabilities. Oddly, one did fabulously well in VL and I credit the team.One did not. I credit her age/developmental stage/ VL not appropriate for that one.

I can see a teacher being a learning leg... My child with the "learning loss" needs two...teachers and legs, I think. (this post is meant to be funny).