NCAP Locations - Different programs?

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Anonymous wrote:Adding that at the HS level there are major differences between locations and it's not uncommon for kids to move to a new location depending on what their stroke and training preferences are. I wouldn't worry about that at your young age, but if folks are approaching HS age--do your homework. For instance, we've seen multiple breastrokers join the GPrep site, only to move elsewhere within a year or two. At the elite level, GPrep is all about distance free style, 400 IM, and tons of yardage. This type of training can "break breastroke" technique. Stroke specialists seem to prefer the AU site.

Your mixing things up with prep. Yuri, Rick Meghan were the 4IM mindset. It does work but it’s not for every swimmer.

Bruce is all about distance free. That’s at least what he claims he’s the guru for. He only caters to the lane leaders. If you aren’t a lane leader you will miss the interval and swim continuously and he’s fine with that. Only the top kids will get him accolades so the others might as well not exist to him

Got it. I just heard from a friend that this site is a TOTAL MESS RIGHT NOW. They've lost a coach (Sue) and virtually all their male swimmers who swam in Bruce's group. May shake out and be fine by the Fall. But anyone looking for a new HS level spot, should stay away from GP site until things are resolved.

Yes. Major attrition on women’s side also.

This is not true. They have not lost a coach.

You are out of the loop. Sue Chen has resigned.

Where is she going?

Why is everyone leaving?

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Anonymous wrote:Adding that at the HS level there are major differences between locations and it's not uncommon for kids to move to a new location depending on what their stroke and training preferences are. I wouldn't worry about that at your young age, but if folks are approaching HS age--do your homework. For instance, we've seen multiple breastrokers join the GPrep site, only to move elsewhere within a year or two. At the elite level, GPrep is all about distance free style, 400 IM, and tons of yardage. This type of training can "break breastroke" technique. Stroke specialists seem to prefer the AU site.

Your mixing things up with prep. Yuri, Rick Meghan were the 4IM mindset. It does work but it’s not for every swimmer.

Bruce is all about distance free. That’s at least what he claims he’s the guru for. He only caters to the lane leaders. If you aren’t a lane leader you will miss the interval and swim continuously and he’s fine with that. Only the top kids will get him accolades so the others might as well not exist to him

Got it. I just heard from a friend that this site is a TOTAL MESS RIGHT NOW. They've lost a coach (Sue) and virtually all their male swimmers who swam in Bruce's group. May shake out and be fine by the Fall. But anyone looking for a new HS level spot, should stay away from GP site until things are resolved.

Yes. Major attrition on women’s side also.

This is not true. They have not lost a coach.

You are out of the loop. Sue Chen has resigned.

Where is she going?

Yes, where is she going? She started at RMSC, did a brief stint at Machine before jumping ship to NCAP. There aren't many other teams left for someone like her...

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Anonymous wrote:Adding that at the HS level there are major differences between locations and it's not uncommon for kids to move to a new location depending on what their stroke and training preferences are. I wouldn't worry about that at your young age, but if folks are approaching HS age--do your homework. For instance, we've seen multiple breastrokers join the GPrep site, only to move elsewhere within a year or two. At the elite level, GPrep is all about distance free style, 400 IM, and tons of yardage. This type of training can "break breastroke" technique. Stroke specialists seem to prefer the AU site.

Your mixing things up with prep. Yuri, Rick Meghan were the 4IM mindset. It does work but it’s not for every swimmer.

Bruce is all about distance free. That’s at least what he claims he’s the guru for. He only caters to the lane leaders. If you aren’t a lane leader you will miss the interval and swim continuously and he’s fine with that. Only the top kids will get him accolades so the others might as well not exist to him

Got it. I just heard from a friend that this site is a TOTAL MESS RIGHT NOW. They've lost a coach (Sue) and virtually all their male swimmers who swam in Bruce's group. May shake out and be fine by the Fall. But anyone looking for a new HS level spot, should stay away from GP site until things are resolved.

Yes. Major attrition on women’s side also.

This is not true. They have not lost a coach.

You are out of the loop. Sue Chen has resigned.

Where is she going?

Yes, where is she going? She started at RMSC, did a brief stint at Machine before jumping ship to NCAP. There aren't many other teams left for someone like her...

People are leaving because they feel the coach only care about super stars. He treats junior national kids like they are absolute trash because they aren't lane leaders or trials kids. Eventually treating swimmers poorly catches up with you, they had to reach a tipping point where kids weren't afraid to leave. When good kids start leaving suddenly everyone realized they weren't the only unhappy ones at the site and it spiraled.

As to Sue, no scandal or anything. Believe she is retiring and leaving the area. And my understanding is she was well liked by swimmers and showed them more respect so this will be a blow for the site.

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Is anyone familiar with NCAP at the Marymount location? I would love some insight. Thanks

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone familiar with NCAP at the Marymount location? I would love some insight. Thanks

It's very small. I think it's a new group.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone familiar with NCAP at the Marymount location? I would love some insight. Thanks

It's very small. I think it's a new group.

It's been around for a few years but there are some coaching changes taking place right now.

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NCAP Marymount was Clark swim until recently. (Mike Clark the founder retired and the site became NCAP - Marymount)

there is a shift in coaches. the new site leader (head coach) is Chris Natoli. Chris has been an NCAP coach for quite some time (i believe at the Burke location) About a year ago, he was named head Coach at Marymount.

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NCAP North is another that’s privately owned. It hasn’t been a good experience.

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Can anyone give some insight into the NCAP Alexandria program?

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also following this with the same question

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Is NCAP Marymount good? Does anyone have any insight on NCAP Tysons? I am fretting about this decision. Why do there seem to be more openings in VA versus MD? I would think that some of the Washington Golf summer swimmers would start to join NCAP Marymount because of the convenience.

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Also following - when does the focus on distance get pushed at GP? Are the younger levels ok/still good for a variety of strokes and distances? And where do the sprinters in this area go (other NCAP clubs or otherwise)?

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Anonymous wrote:Is NCAP Marymount good? Does anyone have any insight on NCAP Tysons? I am fretting about this decision. Why do there seem to be more openings in VA versus MD? I would think that some of the Washington Golf summer swimmers would start to join NCAP Marymount because of the convenience.

Because there are more pools and more teams in VA. In MD, RMSC has a monopoly on all public pools and there simply aren't as many teams/pools but still tons of demand. You're lucky to be in VA with lots of choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Adding that at the HS level there are major differences between locations and it's not uncommon for kids to move to a new location depending on what their stroke and training preferences are. I wouldn't worry about that at your young age, but if folks are approaching HS age--do your homework. For instance, we've seen multiple breastrokers join the GPrep site, only to move elsewhere within a year or two. At the elite level, GPrep is all about distance free style, 400 IM, and tons of yardage. This type of training can "break breastroke" technique. Stroke specialists seem to prefer the AU site.

Your mixing things up with prep. Yuri, Rick Meghan were the 4IM mindset. It does work but it’s not for every swimmer.

Bruce is all about distance free. That’s at least what he claims he’s the guru for. He only caters to the lane leaders. If you aren’t a lane leader you will miss the interval and swim continuously and he’s fine with that. Only the top kids will get him accolades so the others might as well not exist to him

Got it. I just heard from a friend that this site is a TOTAL MESS RIGHT NOW. They've lost a coach (Sue) and virtually all their male swimmers who swam in Bruce's group. May shake out and be fine by the Fall. But anyone looking for a new HS level spot, should stay away from GP site until things are resolved.

Yes. Major attrition on women’s side also.

This is not true. They have not lost a coach.

You are out of the loop. Sue Chen has resigned.

Where is she going?

Yes, where is she going? She started at RMSC, did a brief stint at Machine before jumping ship to NCAP. There aren't many other teams left for someone like her...

People are leaving because they feel the coach only care about super stars. He treats junior national kids like they are absolute trash because they aren't lane leaders or trials kids. Eventually treating swimmers poorly catches up with you, they had to reach a tipping point where kids weren't afraid to leave. When good kids start leaving suddenly everyone realized they weren't the only unhappy ones at the site and it spiraled.

As to Sue, no scandal or anything. Believe she is retiring and leaving the area. And my understanding is she was well liked by swimmers and showed them more respect so this will be a blow for the site.

The floodgates do seem to have opened. Every recent meet I've noticed a former GP swimmer now at a different NCAP site (i.e., AU) or on another team (RMSC and Fish, in particular). Seems like Tom needs to fix the coaching problem at GP and fast...

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Anonymous wrote:Also following - when does the focus on distance get pushed at GP? Are the younger levels ok/still good for a variety of strokes and distances? And where do the sprinters in this area go (other NCAP clubs or otherwise)?

Asking because we literally just made this decision to go to GP with an 11 and now I am spinning out. Someone help!